If funimation had the dragon boxes dubbed only would you...

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:31 pm

Not even if it were the Ocean dub.

In this day and age, it's unaccceptable for a licensor to release dub-only anime DVDs. And in the case of DBZ, it's not even the same show in English, as far as I'm concerned.

Okay, so I bought the first Shin Chan set, but they had at least one episode in Japanese!

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:41 pm

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:00 pm

Only the first few singles didn't have the eyecatchers. That's why on late Season 2 and late Season 3, the eyecatchers on the Faulconer BGM have the Nathan Johnson eyecatcher music instead of his theme until around episode 87.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:10 pm

No thanks. Japanese version for me, please.

Now, if the dub were done the same way as the Pioneer releases of the first three DBZ movies, I'd pick it up.

Freeza.exe · Post by **Freeza.exe** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:29 pm

Yeah I probably would, I'm not a technical master mind but I can probably sync the Japanese audio up to the footage.

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:27 am

Hmm, good question. Nope.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:45 am

Urgh, no. No way in the frost covered hell would I buy that.

MAYBE, MAYBE if they redubbed it in the quality of One Peice and other FUNimation productions, but even then it'd be a pretty big middle finger the fans who've been begging for the Dbox all this time.

B · Post by B » Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:02 am

dragonpiece wrote:Ok let me change the question
Would you buy the funi dragon boxes if they were dubbed only but with a brand new dub with everything changed that made you hate the original dub?

Well, this definately increases it's appeal, but it's still so... caveman to not put the original version on there.

At any rate, I'd at least put some thought into whether or not I'd buy that, as opposed to a dub-only release of the current dub, which I will gladly stick to my earlier "no chance in hell" comment.

Bardock the Mexican · Post by **Bardock the Mexican** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:22 am

I think any dub in English of any anime is sub par only because it's a translation of the original language. Next time you rent a movie go and watch the Spanish language track and have the Spanish subs on too. Most of the time the words used in the audio will be attempting closeness to the character's mouth movements. That means that a lot of things are different from what a speaker of the langauge is used to. This has nothing to do with the Dragonball/Z dub(s) which have been made, but the English dub made by Funimation. No amount of nostalgia can cover up all the problems the fans had when they first made a dub for DB/DBZ. There is not a single reason other than nostalgia for the dub to be the only language track. It would be bilingual with English dub and the Japanese/subs combo disc. To do anything else would be to go back to the days that most DBZ fans would like to forget happened. There is very little profit in making a dub only now, being that most people WANT Japanese. There was a time when most had the idea that a Japanese with subs was a far off dream. It seems the people now who want the dub are mostly the kind of fan we don't want. By that, I mean the one who doesn't want to learn another language or do any work no matter how small. It's lazyness and the under 18 crowd who want a dub only DVD. I can't say that Funimation would do this, given that it is paramount to suicide financially with little in the way of even meeting production costs. There is no way to profit off of such a thing, even if all Funi's fans were 9 year olds that are born every minute.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:50 am

Smooth Criminal wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:I'd probably do it and do what I did with Z. I had 2 DVD players in my living room (long story behind that), so I put in the Season Sets in one DVD player with surround sound and turned that on. At the same time I put in a Full Screen DVD into the other DVD player. I'd sync them up to play at the same time and make it so that the surround sound played the English voice track with original Japanese music, while having the TV show the Full Screen version. I know, kinda pointless in some peoples' eyes, but hey, it worked. So if they had a dub only version of the Dragon Boxes, that's what I would do with having a Season Set DVD playing through surround sound for the original Japanese audio while having the Dragon Box playing on the TV

That is ridiculous. Seriously. You would have to sync it up and hit the play button at the EXACT right second in order for it to play correctly. That is serious, borderline crazy, dedication.

lol All I really had to do was hit Play on both remote controls at the same time. It wasn't that hard. It's not like I sat there watching the entire series like that. I just tried it out and it was pretty cool. I played around with the series a lot, like taking the singles, zooming in and adjusting the settings to make them look like the Season Sets. It's just something I did when I was bored lol I also adjusted the sharpness and tint, etc to get the singles and Season Sets to look like the Dragon Boxes.

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:52 am

Now, I DO NOT hate the dub. I just prefer the Japanese version. If it was $20 I would buy it.

And, what music would be on there?

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:19 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:
Smooth Criminal wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:I'd probably do it and do what I did with Z. I had 2 DVD players in my living room (long story behind that), so I put in the Season Sets in one DVD player with surround sound and turned that on. At the same time I put in a Full Screen DVD into the other DVD player. I'd sync them up to play at the same time and make it so that the surround sound played the English voice track with original Japanese music, while having the TV show the Full Screen version. I know, kinda pointless in some peoples' eyes, but hey, it worked. So if they had a dub only version of the Dragon Boxes, that's what I would do with having a Season Set DVD playing through surround sound for the original Japanese audio while having the Dragon Box playing on the TV

That is ridiculous. Seriously. You would have to sync it up and hit the play button at the EXACT right second in order for it to play correctly. That is serious, borderline crazy, dedication.
lol All I really had to do was hit Play on both remote controls at the same time. It wasn't that hard. It's not like I sat there watching the entire series like that. I just tried it out and it was pretty cool. I played around with the series a lot, like taking the singles, zooming in and adjusting the settings to make them look like the Season Sets. It's just something I did when I was bored lol I also adjusted the sharpness and tint, etc to get the singles and Season Sets to look like the Dragon Boxes.

I, too, attempted to fix the coloring on my t.v., as well, but I wasn't sure if I had the coloring right. So my question to you is, what needs to be changed other than the color? The tint?

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:24 am

penguintruth wrote:Not even if it were the Ocean dub.

In this day and age, it's unaccceptable for a licensor to release dub-only anime DVDs. And in the case of DBZ, it's not even the same show in English, as far as I'm concerned.

Okay, so I bought the first Shin Chan set, but they had at least one episode in Japanese!

*cough*Pokemon*cough*.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:29 am

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote: lol All I really had to do was hit Play on both remote controls at the same time. It wasn't that hard. It's not like I sat there watching the entire series like that. I just tried it out and it was pretty cool. I played around with the series a lot, like taking the singles, zooming in and adjusting the settings to make them look like the Season Sets. It's just something I did when I was bored lol I also adjusted the sharpness and tint, etc to get the singles and Season Sets to look like the Dragon Boxes.
I, too, attempted to fix the coloring on my t.v., as well, but I wasn't sure if I had the coloring right. So my question to you is, what needs to be changed other than the color? The tint?

I toyed around with the brightness and contrast, making it a bit darker as well as lowering the contrast. I toyed around with the coloring and definitely toned the sharpness down to get rid of the grain.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:41 am

Why would ANYONE buy it in that case?...

And...

Rocketman wrote:No, because I don't care enough about the Dbox' s 'quality' to pay more for its footage.

Why is the word quality in quotation marks?...

And why does everyone always fawn over the Ocean dub?

Sure some of the Voices were good (Son's Voice) but it was still only ever dubbed in Edited for TV versions. So if you bought an Ocean Dub DVD, you'd have to put up with the Music... Tenshinhan's (Sorry, in this Release he'd be Tien) "JUST YOU WAIT UNTIL IT GROWS BACK!!" and Vegeta's "Your Father was a BRILLIANT Scientist!!" ... and that's just the tip of the iceberg...

I'd say the Piioneer Dub from Movies 1-3 was the only flawless one...

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:04 pm

It IS flawless. XD

But The Ocean Group's dub of episodes 123~291 have never been released. That's the reason I'd be somewhat okay with it being the only audio on the Dragon Box. Though, I still wouldn't buy them all (only a couple DVDs) unless Funimation re-dubbed the whole series

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:14 pm

If they dubbed it Dragonball style, I would get it.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:16 pm

DemonRin wrote:
Rocketman wrote:No, because I don't care enough about the Dbox' s 'quality' to pay more for its footage.
Why is the word quality in quotation marks?...

I'm pretty sure it's because of the faded colors.

I believe kei17 and many other Japanese fans also are highly critical because Toei did nothing to restore the colors of the Dragon Box as they did with their remastered Fist of the North Star footage.

RoarkVegeta wrote:
penguintruth wrote:Not even if it were the Ocean dub.

In this day and age, it's unaccceptable for a licensor to release dub-only anime DVDs. And in the case of DBZ, it's not even the same show in English, as far as I'm concerned.

Okay, so I bought the first Shin Chan set, but they had at least one episode in Japanese!
*cough*Pokemon*cough*.

You insinuating that those are acceptable releases?

I guess anyone who likes Pokemon truly only likes the first season of the anime dubbed and the first generation of games...

(I don't like any of the anime... I prefer the Adventures/Special manga, but that's another topic for another day on another forum.;=))

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:21 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:It IS flawless. XD

But The Ocean Group's dub of episodes 123~291 have never been released. That's the reason I'd be somewhat okay with it being the only audio on the Dragon Box. Though, I still wouldn't buy them all (only a couple DVDs) unless Funimation re-dubbed the whole series

Yeah, but doesn't it use the same Crappy Script as FUNi?

I mean, the same script that had "Cat Loves Food, Yeah Yeah Yeah!"... THAT script?

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:24 pm

DemonRin wrote:Yeah, but doesn't it use the same Crappy Script as FUNi?

I mean, the same script that had "Cat Loves Food, Yeah Yeah Yeah!"... THAT script?

You could actually say it's worse, since FUNimation went back and fixed a ton of mess-ups like "Bardock is a BRILLIANT scientist", the "Next Dimension", "The Cargo Robot" and other little cheesy jokes here and there.

Still inaccurate, but not as much so.

Kanzenshuu

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