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Post by SuperSaiyan3Goku » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:53 pm

First off, a volume of the Dragonball Manga was in a Library? Id be lucky to find anything DB-related in a public space, much less a Library.

It really is amazing how stupid people can be these days. Dragonball has been around for 10 years, and now is the time that soccer-moms find it out? (I know about the 1999 incident, but that was a long time ago)

I am truely shocked that no-one has said ANYTHING about Naruto/Bleach like with DBZ back in the day. If this happened with a Naruto/Bleach Manga, nothing would be said about it, because no-one knows about it, but DBZ's been around for 10 years, and has the bad rep to prove it. :x
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Post by penguintruth » Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:29 pm

Annoying, but hardly surprising. And let's face it, this is apolitical, this knows no "wing", this is just oversensitivity, and hysteria plain and simple.

Now, frankly, it's probably not the best idea to have Dragon Ball in an elementary school library. Regardless of how the Japanese see it as appropriate for their tykes, American mentality is different, for better or worse (in this case, probably worse). You can argue until you're blue in the face, but the idiots will always win here. Pick your battles.

Still, that this woman who was offended wishes to remain unidentified is absurd. She is a coward without any real conviction. They should have dismissed it entirely on that basis alone.

To me, censorship is unacceptable. I'm not even for keeping bad words and nudity off of network television. Honestly, the world isn't run by children, let them deal with it.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:02 pm

Raki wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:This reminds back in 1999 or 2000 when some people said that DBZ was too violent for TV and how it should be taken off. You would think people would say the same about Naruto or Bleach by now.
Naruto and Bleach are big but they are off the radar. Weird right?
I know since I know schools that have them and kids reading them during their lunch break. I saw a 12 year old with a Code Geass manga before outside the Middle School I work at.
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Post by Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:18 pm

SuperSaiyan3Goku wrote:First off, a volume of the Dragonball Manga was in a Library? Id be lucky to find anything DB-related in a public space, much less a Library.
My public library has a graphic novel section. They've got lots of One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, Full Metal Alchemist, most of Kenshin, some random stuff, and the one volume of DragonBall that they don't have is the one that I don't have. What are the odds.

My school library has some Fruits Basket, but that's the only manga I'm aware of.

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Post by hui43210 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:14 pm

For me this is boo-urns time. BOO-URNS! BOO-URNS!

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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:24 pm

My high school had FLCL and Death Note when I was there and I personally put in a request for Dragonball and Kenshin. I thought that was really cool and I started spending a lot more time in my school library. The only down side was that the books were hard covers which made them kind of hard to read.

Anyway back to the topic, I can see why a parent of an elementary school student can get upset about this but there is clearly a "T" for teens on the back of the book it should be in middle schools or high school not in elementary school. I think the school should be under heat not the book. Besides that kids going to read much worse as his school career moves on "Orgy Porgy" anyone?
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Post by Brakus » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:34 pm

Godo wrote:
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Holloway said he found out about the book after being contacted by the mother of the 9-year-old who had checked it out. The women has told Holloway, he said, that she does not wish to be identified.
If you have an opinion, don't be a coward and hide.
I think the fact that she doesn't want to be retaliated by that "group of fans you *don't* want to piss off" is why she wishes to remain anonymous. If she identified herself, some tool is going to find out all her personal info (address, phone number), spread it around a whole bunch of other pissed off fans, and she'll get annoying phone calls and emails for days to come.

I think the woman may have a point as to not wanting her children to read Dragon Ball until they're older, and I think you all have valid points about the world not being as rosy as we'd like it to be sometimes, but I think the woman does have a right not to be incessantly harrassed just because of her decision.
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Post by ultimateemail5000 » Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:36 am

DB Manga is terrible, but Disney, Nickelodeon, and Cartoon Network can sell sex to kids and it's ok? Disney channel, hate to steal from South Park, but have the Jonas Bros. or whatever they are called. Nickelodeon has iCarly, and Cartoon Network has 6teen, Total Drama series, and the other new Canadian show they have the rights to.

What is the big deal about this? Yeah it shows naked girls. A young boy sees his own dick everyday.(Viz you should say that, Funi tried the a 9 year old is born everyday, I'm sure that would work) it's a cartoon/comic. Parents need to get over this stuff, they are drawings, harmless cartoons. You dont want your kids seeing drawn body parts, scan the comic, then say it's ok. Specially if it's from Japan, parents should be warned of this stuff, along with the RATED T logo on the corner of the book.

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Post by SuperSaiyan3Goku » Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:19 am

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:
SuperSaiyan3Goku wrote:First off, a volume of the Dragonball Manga was in a Library? Id be lucky to find anything DB-related in a public space, much less a Library.
My public library has a graphic novel section. They've got lots of One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, Full Metal Alchemist, most of Kenshin, some random stuff, and the one volume of DragonBall that they don't have is the one that I don't have. What are the odds.

My school library has some Fruits Basket, but that's the only manga I'm aware of.
Yes, the public library in town does have a "Graphic Novel" section, where I've seen, like 1 volume of Dragonball, 1 Detective Conan, and that's all I remember. There may of been other Manga, but this was a few months ago, so my memory's a little fuzzy. It was mostly stuff for "Young Adults" not much Manga. Oh well. I don't go to my Library for Manga. That's what Borders is for. :D
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Post by Scarz » Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:31 am

This reminds me when the Dragonball magnas were banned from my school library as well. The story even made the five-o-clock news (for like 5 seconds). I didn't really care at that point since almost every kid at my school knew checking out copy of any manga at our school library wasn't even worth it. They never had the manga you wanted to read and if they did, about 3 volumes from whole series was available. I made weekly trips at the local mall and shopped lifted at a couple books stores (remember stealing is wrong kids, even if its for dragonball manga).

The Dragonball manga being banned from the library wasn't nearly as bad as what happen to me later on when I attend a private Christan school. All types of comic books, manga, and anime of any sort was not allowed on school grounds. If a teacher catches you reading any "satanic" or "suggestive pornography" it will get you detention or immediate suspension. Dragonball was not only consider Stanic reading material and suggestive pornography it also promoted evolution. I had detention for quite some time that year.

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Post by laserkid » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:47 am

This is pretty damn silly, and I can see the points on all sides of this argument. Really, You just NOW noticed Dragon Ball? You know, we have this thing called Nintendo too, you might want to look into it. But on the otherhand Viz has ABSOLUTELY dropped the ball by trying to censor and aim DB/Z at little kids. Sure, whenever the will of the macrocosm decides I get to be a parent I won't mind showing them Dragon Ball. But, like it or not some parent's may not like it. That said, personal responsibility people, keep it out of your kids hands, not out of the library.

But seriously - this is Viz's fault, they REALLY need to market this more clearly.
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Post by MCDaveG » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:19 am

laserkid wrote:This is pretty damn silly, and I can see the points on all sides of this argument. Really, You just NOW noticed Dragon Ball? You know, we have this thing called Nintendo too, you might want to look into it. But on the otherhand Viz has ABSOLUTELY dropped the ball by trying to censor and aim DB/Z at little kids. Sure, whenever the will of the macrocosm decides I get to be a parent I won't mind showing them Dragon Ball. But, like it or not some parent's may not like it. That said, personal responsibility people, keep it out of your kids hands, not out of the library.

But seriously - this is Viz's fault, they REALLY need to market this more clearly.
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Post by VegettoEX » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:17 am

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Post by xzero » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:35 am

I have very mixed feelings on this issue. On the one hand, good job, parents. You are obviously paying at least some attention to what your kids are reading and doing, and I applaud that. On the other hand, we all know that any frames from the manga that are photocopied are definitely being viewed out of context.

Here's the thing that gets me: the child pornography comment. I'm writing a law review article that partially addresses child porn at the moment, and I can say that as a matter of law, neither the federal government nor most states would say that any of the images depicting Goku naked constitute child pornography. Most states apply a test used in a California case (U.S. v. Dost) to determine whether something constitutes child pornography. Only one or two factors of the six listed by the court tend to suggest that this is child pornography, and realistically, most states have said that the satisfaction of those two alone (nudity of the subject and, arguably, that the "focal point" of the shot is on the child's genitalia) is insufficient.

Suggesting that naked Goku is or even borders on child porn is ridiculous. I'll just end by echoing one of Mike's comments. I grew up with Dragonball/DBZ -I started watching DBZ in 6th grade- and I turned out reasonably normal. I certainly wasn't scarred by Goku's penis, and these kids probably won't be either.

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Post by Raki » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:36 am

VegettoEX wrote:An update to the story has been posted on the delmarvanow.com website.

We have updated our home page with the relevant information and a few thoughts.
Now I'm even more disgusted than before.
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Post by MCDaveG » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:45 am

xzero wrote:I have very mixed feelings on this issue. On the one hand, good job, parents. You are obviously paying at least some attention to what your kids are reading and doing, and I applaud that.
I don't know here, we have one saying in Czech republic: ''Nothing is worse than an active idiot.''

Sorry, I must say it, but this mom is an active idiot.....

When we we're watching show with my small brother, mom came and was watching it with us for a while. It was around Namek arc and there was the scene where Vegeta was killing almost dead members of Ginyu Task-force by the final blows (like knee-kick on Butta's neck) and after 10 minutes of watching she said: ''I don't know, I don't like that drawing'' and walks away....
Which I find hilarious....

And I know even lot of parents of my friends here in Europe, who were watching it with them. Including my dad who was recording it from TV on VCR when I was 10, doing after-school acivities when Dragon Ball ran on TV..... Nobody had anything against it.
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Post by Milton » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:15 am

I really don't know what to say about this recent update. Part of me is not surprised in the least considering the "fragile" state of our country when it comes to the human body being shown, minus clothing. Another part of me is infuriated that we have to deal with this narrow-minded shit once again. In 2009, no less.

"Child pornography." Really? They consider illustrations of breasts and a relatively crude illustration of a penis "child pornography?"

First off, I did a search for a definition of what is considered child pornography in the United States. I'm going to be straight up here: if you don't like reading somewhat frank discussion of a subject like this, please stop reading now.
The term child pornography (sometimes referred to as kiddie porn) generally refers to pornography featuring a child, however the precise definition of "pornography" and "child" varies by region and country
This is the overall definition for the subject as seen in this web page. Further down, it states the specific definition of child porn in the United States.
Under federal law, child pornography is defined as visual depiction of minors (i.e. under 18) engaged in a sex act such as intercourse, oral sex, or masturbation as well as the lascivious depictions of the genitals.
Admitadly, I had to look up the definition of "lascivious" on Dictionary.com. Sue me... :oops:
–adjective
1. inclined to lustfulness; wanton; lewd: a lascivious, girl-chasing old man.
2. arousing sexual desire: lascivious photographs.
3. indicating sexual interest or expressive of lust or lewdness: a lascivious gesture.
Using these two definitions, I see a few things I'd like to point out. First of all, as we all know, there's absolutely ZERO depictions of sexual acts in all 42 volumes of Dragon Ball, so they can rule that right the fuck out. There are, however, pictures of breasts, buttocks and male genitalia here and there throughout. By this definition of what child porn is here in the US, it is essentially saying that unless it can be proven that these images of the human body of characters that are under the age of 18 were made with the intent to cause arousal, it is most certainly NOT child pornography.

This whole thing is just another example of people not doing the one thing that should be done in situations like this: THINKING. This Mark Thompson isn't thinking before he speaks, the library was not thinking of the potential consequences of putting manga in their young adult/children section and clearly the media aren't thinking of the backlash of this embellishment because, frankly, they don't give a damn.

I'd say the parents aren't thinking, either. Mike, I know you want to praise them for doing actual parenting, but seriously, they obviously aren't doing a very good job if they are freaking out over the fact that their child saw a boob or a private part that he himself has in a comic book. At that age, my parents were concerned with me seeing the one thing that Dragon Ball isn't: pornography. The internet was just starting its "porn-boom" and they had always made an effort to try and prevent me from seeing what is (essentially) a very graphic depiction of sex and nudity. Is it too much for me to wish that other parents across the US would focus on preventing their kids from watching/reading potentially damaging material, too?

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Post by MCDaveG » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:23 am

Yeah, but countries aren't ruled by the laws itself, but by twisted people who can decide how to aplicate this law practically to match it with their ideals, religion or whatever......

From what I saw around the world, I can trust in that christians are reproducing themselves by cell division, leaving the sex behind....
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Post by caejones » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:40 am

To quote a liberal commentator:
"For God's sake, trust your instinct to think!"

I finally gave up on believing that humans can be reasoned with in the past few months. So instead I'm just going to yell:

Chill the fish out, America! (You too, Toei! :evil: ).
Half the stuff that goes on in the everyday lives of these people is probably worse than what appears in Dragonball.

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Post by Metalwario64 » Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:58 pm

caejones wrote:To quote a liberal commentator:
"For God's sake, trust your instinct to think!"
Keith Olbermann? :lol:
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