Where did DBE fail, where the Autobots and Joes succeeded?

mysticgoten · Post by **mysticgoten** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:01 pm

Fox was just scared. So they put in a low budget and didn't focus on it much.
If it was, oh, 100 Million dollars for the budget, it'd coud've been pretty good.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:05 pm

I dunno I feel like if it was a more entertaining movie it wouldn't have been so bad. It's based on a story about martial arts but there is hardly any to be seen in the movie. So better fights scenes, better fx, more marketing, and a bad guy that actual does stuff and the movie could have made way more money.

Post by **TripleRach** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:35 pm

Pitzu wrote:
goku the krump dancer wrote:Its been noted that the story for both Transformers movie were horrible to true fans.

Those same True Fans also hate Beast Wars because they think its all Furry bullshit.
Those TRUFANS are neckbeards who have rooms full of transforming toys and no girlfriend or social life to speak of.

Their opinions are moot.

That may or may not be true, but let's not insult others and write off their opinions with stereotypes. Plus, don't forget that we're on a highly nerdy forum for another silly 80's cartoon, after all.

Let's be shounen and chill out.

johnboy1 · Post by **johnboy1** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:58 pm

goku the krump dancer wrote:Its been noted that the story for both Transformers movie were horrible to true fans.

Oh, God DAMN it. There is no such thing as "true fan". You either like something and are a fan, or you don't like it and are not. End of story.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:29 pm

Lack of marketing and consumer awareness may have hurt DBE in the short term, but it was the poor execution that destroyed any chance of it succeeding.

If you never heard of anything Dragon Ball prior to viewing the film you would be confused. You're given certain details but nothing to really back them up. Such as Goku being unpopular but no reason why he would be made a target of bullying. He's not unattractive or nerdish. We don't see enough of his school life to warrant any dislike amoung his peers. He likes Chi-chi but we really aren't told anything about her until it's discovered that she's a fighter.

I can't remember at what point it was explained that the Dragon Balls can grant wishes. Bulma comes around and wants the Dragon Ball because it could be a source of energy which I can accept because she doen't really know anything about them but it's not properly explained why she would think that. Piccolo wants to use them to rule the world.

Once we get to Roshi's things start getting better, they move to fast but are better. Goku's training could have used more screen time, though. The fullom fights and final fight needed to be longer as well.

To those who complained about using the kamehameha to revive someone, energy is energy. And that basically what ki is, a type of energy. We use electricity to restart someone's heart.

The Legend of Chun-li I feel was a better build movie. Story and plot were structured and things were explained. But the content itself was what pulled it down. I liked that it did try to focus on specific characters, Chun-li and Bison (especially giving Bison some background info).

As for Transformers and G. I. Joe, They are fully realised films. Whether or not you feel they represent the "source material" will affect your perception and enjoyment of the movies. You are entitled to your opinions as fans but the majority have spoken and these are fun movies. It's really hard to please fans and "true fans" because it people like that who have a vision in their head and if what's presented to them isn't 100% faithful to that then it's a failure. I still don't get the hate for Watchmen. I haven't read the comics but from what I hear they pretty much re-enacted the comic panel for panel with only some minor changes and one or two kinda big ones toward the end, which if you're a semi reasonable person wouldn't be a big thing. Then, I hear that there are "fans" who dislike the movie because it doesn't deviate much from the comic.

Is there any cartoon/comic book/video game adaptation that will get all "fans" to like it? I doubt it because that would require them to get past the perfect version they have in their head.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:36 pm

One problem I had with DBE is that nobody said the exotic names as if they were names. They all have that stilted pronunciation of an unfamiliar word, even when it's Goku saying his name is Goku.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:22 pm

A-dono wrote:We didn't get a complete domestic release of Dragonball until after Z had been running over-and-over again for years, so most US fans tend to overlook the events of the original series.

Considering how Z seems to always get top priority in games and DVDs from Japan, I think Japan overlooks the original series a bit as well.

Xane · Post by **Xane** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:30 pm

Kendamu wrote:
A-dono wrote:We didn't get a complete domestic release of Dragonball until after Z had been running over-and-over again for years, so most US fans tend to overlook the events of the original series.
Considering how Z seems to always get top priority in games and DVDs from Japan, I think Japan overlooks the original series a bit as well.

Really? I thought Dragon Ball was more popular than Z or GT. The ratings were always in 20% mark.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:26 pm

Xane wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
A-dono wrote:We didn't get a complete domestic release of Dragonball until after Z had been running over-and-over again for years, so most US fans tend to overlook the events of the original series.
Considering how Z seems to always get top priority in games and DVDs from Japan, I think Japan overlooks the original series a bit as well.
Really? I thought Dragon Ball was more popular than Z or GT. The ratings were always in 20% mark.

I mean nowadays. It seems Z always gets First Class treatment over everything else in Japan.

johnboy1 · Post by **johnboy1** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:07 pm

SHINOBI-03 wrote:I have no knowledge about Transformers, but is the story supposed to be dark and full of sex jokes?

Well, the original story (meaning the Marvel comics that ran from September '84 to July '91) could get pretty dark in places, sometimes much more so than the movies, but on the whole it was a bit more cartoonish. The sexual content, though, was limited to a handful of fan service shots, mostly related to the Witwicky boy's girlfriend, as it turns out. So I guess the movies got the right target. They just fired too much.

Daimo-Rukiri · Post by **Daimo-Rukiri** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:49 pm

I haven't seen the original Transformers or GI. JOE. in years.. but I consider them to be very entertaining.

Dragon Ball Evolution failed because.
- Little to NO budget
- Poor casting
- Poor Music?..
- Terrible script
- poor advertising

The other 3 had huge budgets to work with and were able to hire just about anyone in Hollywood if they wanted to. Loved to hear Primes voice again though^^ Loved both movies.

B · Post by B » Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:04 pm

Xane wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
A-dono wrote:We didn't get a complete domestic release of Dragonball until after Z had been running over-and-over again for years, so most US fans tend to overlook the events of the original series.
Considering how Z seems to always get top priority in games and DVDs from Japan, I think Japan overlooks the original series a bit as well.
Really? I thought Dragon Ball was more popular than Z or GT. The ratings were always in 20% mark.

Well, yeah, after the show had been running for at least two years and they were really hammering in the filler. But, the actual story events that we refer to as "Z"(Saiyan, Freeza, Cell, Buu) are generally the most popular, even in Japan. There was some sort of poll for one DB's anniversaries where the most fan-favorite fight was Goku VS Freeza.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:58 am

Lets see...

Bad rep even before the movie came out

Terrible choice in actor

Teen angst bull shit that never existed in Dragonball

Lack of key characters(Tien and Krillin anyone?)

Scrambled plot

No budget

No marketing

There was no appeal for Fans of the series

There was no appeal for casual movie watchers

Fox didn't see a profit in a 20 year old show

Plus there was no Z in the title. Most people in America are more familure with DBZ then the original Dragonball

None of the above problems existed for GI Joe and Transformers. Besides, why would viewers see Dragonball when they can see Watchmen and come out satisfied?

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:55 am

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote: why would viewers see Dragonball when they can see Watchmen and come out satisfied?

I came for the adaptation of an award-winning graphic novel...I stayed for Dr. Manhattan's CGI manhood.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:36 am

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:Lack of key characters(Tenshinhan and Krillin anyone?)

And this folds into the fans' expectations hurting the movie. Tien is not a key character. His only role in the King Piccolo arc is to get fucked up so we can all see how awesome Goku's become. If he was replaced with Yamcha, the scenes wouldn't change at all.

Krillin is a bigger absence, but he and Yamcha are so similar you really only need one for a 90-minute/two-hour movie.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:22 pm

Transformers had stuff that drew the fan base in, such as Peter Cullen, and of course the toy line. There's so many divides for Dragon Ball fans they probably weren't sure who to aim it at, so they aimed it at everyone and ended up missing every god-damned target.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:50 pm

Last great comic book adaptation was Dark Knight, Transformers 1 & 2 sucks as hell and I haven't seen G.I. Joe, but I didn't like original comic so I don't think that I should be pleased with movie......

The biggest f**k up of this year was the new Star Trek for me....
I saw the roster of actors and was like: Damn, I'm really scared.... I saw that movie on Blu-ray and thank god I didn't go to cinema at it......
Those two writers totally screwed some classic, I was bored to death by Hollywood clichés, had poker face when characters were delivering awesome and hilarious punch lines and amazed of some unnecessary and unlogical weird things the characters were doing.... at last, Winona Ryder died, killes by some crazy time-slipping miners along with whole planet

And Dragon Ball Evolution is something I forgot a long time ago......... That movie was completely bullshit

fig404 · Post by **fig404** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:51 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:Transformers had stuff that drew the fan base in, such as Peter Cullen, and of course the toy line. There's so many divides for Dragon Ball fans they probably weren't sure who to aim it at, so they aimed it at everyone and ended up missing every god-damned target.

I don't think they were aiming at anyone. -_-

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:55 pm

add: At least, Transformers have some awesome action figures, when I was looking what my brother have and how it's transforming I can say that my transformers toys have sucked when I was kid in comparing to these

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:41 pm

MCDaveG wrote:add: At least, Transformers have some awesome action figures, when I was looking what my brother have and how it's transforming I can say that my transformers toys have sucked when I was kid in comparing to these

Yeah, some were simpler, but again, I've noticed things like that with varios toylines, as Nerf stuff seemed to be cooler now than it was when I was a kid.

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