Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

[El Diabeetus]

I just wonder what happened to the guy who directed the first three DBZ movie dubs by Pioneer/Ocean? The voice direction and adaption was damn perfect. Anyone who disagrees with this is just talking bias.

Karl Willems. Those movies had some good acting...and some not good acting. Scott McNeil's Oolong in Movie #3 for example.

Shocker (sarcasm), the director of Death Note, InuYasha, etc. was directing, that makes 100% sense why those movies had some if not the best acting (for the most part) in English Dragon Ball to date. He's an amazing director. Even, if the script is butchered, if he directed the Kai (Ocean Dub), at least there'll most likely being great acting in it.

The only thing that will suck about this dub is the Ocean Dub purists won't stop with the "Dur, hur, the Ocean Dub is so much better, and more accurate" which based on this would be incorrect. Don't get me wrong I love the Ocean Dub as much as the Original and FUNimation Dub, but god those kind of fans annoy me.

[NeoKING]

I just wonder what happened to the guy who directed the first three DBZ movie dubs by Pioneer/Ocean? The voice direction and adaption was damn perfect. Anyone who disagrees with this is just talking bias.

Karl Willems. Those movies had some good acting...and some not good acting. Scott McNeil's Oolong in Movie #3 for example.

Agreed. I mean, damn. When I watched Movie 1 just the other day in the Ocean dub, I never knew Peter Kelamis could capture the feeling that Masako Nazowa delivers in the Japanese performance. Not only his Goku, but I also liked his performance as Muten Roshi. Not every Muten Roshi line he did was good - at times it sounded like he was trying way too hard to sound like an old man(Eg. Movie 2's "Are you trying to flatter me? Well alright, you want to see how tough I am?"), but others it was decent.

[JulieYBM]

I just wonder what happened to the guy who directed the first three DBZ movie dubs by Pioneer/Ocean? The voice direction and adaption was damn perfect. Anyone who disagrees with this is just talking bias.

Karl Willems. Those movies had some good acting...and some not good acting. Scott McNeil's Oolong in Movie #3 for example.

Shocker (sarcasm), the director of Death Note, InuYasha, etc. was directing, that makes 100% sense why those movies had some if not the best acting (for the most part) in English Dragon Ball to date. He's an amazing director. Even, if the script is butchered, if he directed the Kai (Ocean Dub), at least there'll most likely being great acting in it.

The only thing that will suck about this dub is the Ocean Dub purists won't stop with the "Dur, hur, the Ocean Dub is so much better, and more accurate" which based on this would be incorrect. Don't get me wrong I love the Ocean Dub as much as the Original and FUNimation Dub, but god those kind of fans annoy me.

Well, he also did the Westwood dub of 'Season Four' through the end of the series...which wasn't very good.

[El Diabeetus]

Karl Willems. Those movies had some good acting...and some not good acting. Scott McNeil's Oolong in Movie #3 for example.

Shocker (sarcasm), the director of Death Note, InuYasha, etc. was directing, that makes 100% sense why those movies had some if not the best acting (for the most part) in English Dragon Ball to date. He's an amazing director. Even, if the script is butchered, if he directed the Kai (Ocean Dub), at least there'll most likely being great acting in it.

The only thing that will suck about this dub is the Ocean Dub purists won't stop with the "Dur, hur, the Ocean Dub is so much better, and more accurate" which based on this would be incorrect. Don't get me wrong I love the Ocean Dub as much as the Original and FUNimation Dub, but god those kind of fans annoy me.

Well, he also did the Westwood dub of 'Season Four' through the end of the series...which wasn't very good.

Oh, really? I didn't know. Well, I'm basing this off of he anime I knew he directed. Maybe, he doesn't do well with edited anime?

[Adamant]

Seán Schemmel Here is why the Ocean group dub will suck.

Is this where we make snarky comments about how he's pretty much saying "it will suck because it's going to be like our old dub, just a lot better, and that dub was so horrible simply making it "a lot better" isn't enough"? Mr. Schemmel really shouldn't talk too loudly about lack of quality of other companies' Dragonball dubs.

In his defense, you've left out everything he's said.

He said it would suck because of crappy replacement music and unnecessary sound effects, as well as that the FUNimation version will be incredibly close script-wise to the original.

And I'm going to agree with him on that.

I can't believe some DaizEX members are going to applaud the Ocean group's mangling of the show with replacement music and stupid corny puns, but then bash FUNimation at the drop of a hat even though their Kai dub is going to be miles more faithful.

...I don't think you got my point. Yes, the reasons he gives for why the coming Ocean dub will suck are logical enough, the point is that the person talking is a man whose main claim to fame is his starring role in what was probably an even worse dub of the same series (no arguments about how Kai isn't Z, please). It's like the president of McDonalds explaining why Burger King's newest burger will taste like shit.

(and I left out everything he said because my comment was solely about Schemmel calling out a Dragonball dub he's not involved with as "going to suck", not the reasons he gave for it)

[Timo]

Oh, really? I didn't know. Well, I'm basing this off of he anime I knew he directed. Maybe, he doesn't do well with edited anime?

I rather think: Maybe he doesn't do well with a lousy budget and a damn tight time schedule.

[ohaimynameiserik]

...I don't think you got my point. Yes, the reasons he gives for why the coming Ocean dub will suck are logical enough, the point is that the person talking is a man whose main claim to fame is his starring role in what was probably an even worse dub of the same series (no arguments about how Kai isn't Z, please). It's like the president of McDonalds explaining why Burger King's newest burger will taste like shit.

(and I left out everything he said because my comment was solely about Schemmel calling out a Dragonball dub he's not involved with as "going to suck", not the reasons he gave for it)

Ah, well I can certainly understand that.

Sorry for the mix up!

And Kendamu; I guess hardly anyone's really applauding, (aside from that subzero guy on facebook), I'm just surprised that a few people here are actually really looking forward to this.

Although I will go on the record and jump on the bandwagon by saying those first 3 uncut movie dubs were really good.

[LilKokuLink]

I find it quite unprofessional how Schemmel says the Ocean Group will "suck", however the way Schemmel and Sabat have shown their excitement by promoting the new dub with their comments it seems understandable to me.

I'm a bit confused however, if the Ocean Group is going to air in Canada (or if it is predicted to be); then is it possible the UK will get in on this too? If there happens to be a home release then would it be distributed through the UK? The Blue Water dub of GT aired in Canada and the UK, right?. Even though I have zero interest in it, and I will go as far as only checking it out, a UK release would make me and many other UK fans really happy just by the fact that we get recognition. Though maybe I need to slow down, I may be thinking too far ahead.

Even though there is a possiblity for the UK, I think this puts a downer on FUNimation's new dub. I was so hyped up for the dub of Kai, but now I have to result in saying FUNimation's dub of Kai instead, this effect may also have the possiblity of confusion within discussions. It's not like it makes an actual difference in FUNimation's content, but it makes FUNimation's dub less special which for some reason really bothers me.

I am still really confused as to what is going on, but if I gathered everything right then this is my opinion. I would really appreciate it if someone could try and explain things in more detail with the information we readily have available.

EDIT: Oh and as to the music change, I mean seriously? I personally think that is unbelievable.

[penguintruth]

Nobody's applauding the bad scripts and poor direction of the Ocean years of the DBZ dub. Some people (like me) prefer some of the voices of the Ocean dub, is all. Though I admit, there's a fair share of awful casting and acting in both dubs.

[Velasa]

"Dur, hur, the Ocean Dub is so much better, and more accurate"

... We're talking about the series, right? Because I highly doubt anyone has ever said that about the dub for the episodes o_O I mean the movies there could be an argument, but if you're talking about the eps you're pulling a fight out of nowhere. Some of us just like the actors and it keeps us attached to them even though outside the first three movies they've only been available to us in hacked-up shit.

[dragonpiece]

Ocean Dub, eh heard em once and did not really like any of them so I'll just wait till actually comes out to give it another try. But for now I am sticking to the Japannese version and the new FUNImation dub.

[Super Sayian Prime]

Ocean is simply an ADR studio. They do audio work, any edits, music changes, name changes, etc. are handed to them by someone else. They're a company other companies hire out to get audio work done. They don't do their own projects, or own the properties of which they dub. Which is why they don't put out DVDs. Although, if that (post Saban) dub can somehow manage to make itself up to our air-waves in Canada, there has to be some loophole in FUNimation's license that would probably allow another company to distribute sets only in Canada. I guess the problem is tracking down who actually owns that dub. I've heard Westwood Media (which I've never heard of), AB Groupe, etc it seems no one knows for sure.

That said if Sean isn't confused about something else, I'm actually kind of excited. I don't care about Kai. I've said it many times before, the only thing that could get me to care about it is a, well, Ocean cast dub. Yeah, I know the music will be different, yeah, I know it'll be edited, and yeah I know, different sound effects (if it's true), but one could say the exact same about Kai in it's original language. If I want to hear a (hopefully) accurate uncut English dub with the original Japanese score, and sound effects I'll watch FUNimation's. And if I want a good vocal performance with all that, I'll dig out my DVDs and put the Japanese cast on. I keed. If I want to hear the first English cast I ever heard, maybe this will be the answer.

[Xyex]

...I don't think you got my point. Yes, the reasons he gives for why the coming Ocean dub will suck are logical enough, the point is that the person talking is a man whose main claim to fame is his starring role in what was probably an even worse dub of the same series (no arguments about how Kai isn't Z, please). It's like the president of McDonalds explaining why Burger King's newest burger will taste like shit.

(and I left out everything he said because my comment was solely about Schemmel calling out a Dragonball dub he's not involved with as "going to suck", not the reasons he gave for it)

Schemmel's also admitted that the original FUNi dub was bad, too. And since this new Ocean dub is supposed to be in the same vein as before... if the old FUNi dub sucked so does the new Ocean Kai dub. It's just a logical conclusion to make. It's not like he's claiming that the new Ocean Kai will be worse than the old FUNi Z.

[Adamant]

He did do that, but it still sounds rather tacky to talk down a dub that, from the looks of it, is still going to be miles better than the shit he's worked on so far. And of course, there's also the matter of him not going "Yeah, sorry guys, I admit we did a really shit job with Dragonball" until he was able to follow it up with "but we're doing a new and totally awesome dub that you absolutely must buy!"

[DemonRin]

He did do that, but it still sounds rather tacky to talk down a dub that, from the looks of it, is still going to be miles better than the shit he's worked on so far. And of course, there's also the matter of him not going "Yeah, sorry guys, I admit we did a really shit job with Dragonball" until he was able to follow it up with "but we're doing a new and totally awesome dub that you absolutely must buy!"

Because up until now, he didn't have anything else to sell people. Back when, FUNi was still selling DBZ DVDs.

Wouldn't it kinda hurt sales for the star of the show to say "This sucks"?...

[Adamant]

Of course, I'm not saying he should've come out and told everyone how bad he thought the dub he was working on was, just that, given his position and the quality of his own work, he really shouldn't talk down other, similiar work. It just makes him come across as a douche.

[ShadowDude112]

... We're talking about the series, right? Because I highly doubt anyone has ever said that about the dub for the episodes o_O I mean the movies there could be an argument, but if you're talking about the eps you're pulling a fight out of nowhere. Some of us just like the actors and it keeps us attached to them even though outside the first three movies they've only been available to us in hacked-up shit.

YTV switched for 2 reasons: 1. They recognized The Ocean dub's superior quality over FUNimation's. 2. They were tired of being treated as second class clients by FUNimation.

This is from Youtube. There are some fans that say this and this guy takes the cake in my book. If you see his video descriptions he deliberately insults FUNimation fans which is kind of stupid since I feel like he's telling everyone who disagrees with him that they're stupid IMO.

[Velasa]

But in Youtube comments people also say that the sky is black and your shoes are just trying to eat your face when you sleep o_O

[ShadowDude112]

But in Youtube comments people also say that the sky is black and your shoes are just trying to eat your face when you sleep o_O

What?

[Gaffer Tape]

Haha, awesome, velasa! I need to write that one down and post it on YouTube sometime!