Do the TV Edits Bother You?

[MR.Mark]

But DB Kai milks what was already made to make a easy cash in. They took the DBZ footage they already made and cut and slash, and hacked, edited, and censored it. And re-released it. They didn't remake it.

The ends justify the means for those wanting a closer cut to the manga. If you prefer the bloated pace of DBZ more power to you, but kai is a "hack job" no more than DBZ is. Both have sloppiness but one has less plot holes and more coherency. Kai is just plain better at presenting the action centric portion of the manga imo.

[Gaffer Tape]

I tend to agree with whoever said (Cipher maybe?) that the kind of pacing that works in a 15-page manga doesn't necessarily translate well to a television series. Even though I've been a fan for nearly twelve years, and I was introduced through the anime, I've read all the manga but have yet to see every episode of the TV series. So I guess I'm more of a manga-centric fan. That said, I appreciate the original TV series for what they were. When I got Dbox 3, I was a bit worried that I would get bored during the painfully long Goku/Freeza fight. Honestly, it didn't really bother me nearly as much as I thought. I was still quite entertained. And if you want to get right down to it, it was all those padding moments of cutaways that I found the most entertaining. The scenes between Gohan and Bulma debating whether or not to leave, Chichi bitching out Dr. Brief, even Yamucha-tachi fighting the Ginyu Tokusentai. Why? Because half hour stretches of nothing but two brusiers beating the crap out of each other gets really, really tedious! It works just fine in a 15-page manga chapter, but in a half hour TV show, you really do need some goofy, useless crap sometimes to give the audience a breather.

Then again, I could be wrong. If the Goku/Freeza fight had been as well-written and not redundant as the Saiya-jin fight, maybe it would have been fine.

[MR.Mark]

IMO, the Goku vs Freeza fight in Kai was STILL too long, by atleast two episodes. They could of shaved some more stuff and had it go like this:

Goku vs Freeza: 4 episodes

SSJ Goku vs freeza: 4 episodes

Instead we got 5/5, but in the end it felt long in more of an epic way rather than a "oh god when will it end?!" way.

Gaffer Tape, I used to feel similar to you, but when you've seen the Z anime all the way through as much as I have for well over a decade, you'd definitely welcome kai. My Nostalgia just wasn't enough to save how Z aged for me.

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, like I said, I've watched through all three Dragon Boxes in immediate succession, and I've seen DBox 1 all the way through at least four times since it was released, and I have yet to be bored. And all of these were episodes I'd seen in some capacity through other releases or even just the English dub. The only reason I stopped watching the anime was not because I was upset about the pacing compared to the manga. It was because the only economical way to watch the entire series at the time was watching the dub on television, and the dub had just become far too painful for me to sit through. So at the end of TV season 4, I stopped watching entirely, reasoning that it was better to stop watching the show completely rather than forcing myself to watch the dub. And when I could afford it, I'd pick up the occasional single DVD to fill in the gaps.

[SSVegetto]

But DB Kai milks what was already made to make a easy cash in. They took the DBZ footage they already made and cut and slash, and hacked, edited, and censored it. And re-released it. They didn't remake it.

The ends justify the means for those wanting a closer cut to the manga. If you prefer the bloated pace of DBZ more power to you, but kai is a "hack job" no more than DBZ is. Both have sloppiness but one has less plot holes and more coherency. Kai is just plain better at presenting the action centric portion of the manga imo.

Okay, let me ask you this. I know you like Kai because of the pacing and because it's more accurate to the manga. But why pay money for it? Did you even stop to think what you are paying for? You are paying money for something that anyone can easily just use Windows Media Maker and they can just cut out the filler parts out and make their own video from the DBZ Dragonbox vols(And it's less half assed as well since it's not censored), that Funimation is already releasing. You seriously going to pay money for that shit?

It's a scam. That people fall for. And anyone that pays for this and brags about it like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, are people that act like the typical DB fanboy that buys anything, which is what Toei and Funimation hope for to make the big $.

If anything just get what you want for free. If anything, I'm trying to tell you, it's okay to like Kai. Just don't support paying more money for it. I actually don't know if you are going to buy this. I'm just trying to give you a viewpoint as to why I think they are milking it. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. It's still milking.

And HELL WITH THE NEW ENGLISH DUB! That's another fanboy trait that Funimation wants you to fall into. It's the same gult darn thing all over again. They can't even get that right for anyone, even on the 2nd or 3rd or millionth try for anyone that's extremely picky.

The English Dub of Kai has mostly(90% )of the time has the same voices as DBZ. The script of DBZ is 75% of the time accurate also in DBZ compared to Kai. Fans here have a way of over bloating that Funimation's script for DBZ was way too off. When it really wasn't. Characters are always in character. Their actions are always the same. Their tone and facial expressions show the same darn thing. Nothing is changed. Actions show more than words.

What they do is take one single line that didn't have the exact same translation from the Japanese audio. And they take it out of proportion. And ignore the rest of all the lines that are 75% of the time the same. Kai's Japanese dub and English dub are virtually the same thing as what they were in DBZ. Yet, we still have fans running around with their heads chopped off getting exciting about the same dubs.

And even so if my opinion is in the minority on this. Guess what? Funimation couldn't still get it right for you guys. Funimation didn't get all the little pronunciations right, attack names, and character names that are similar enough but yet still bother people. So are you going to buy a Kai just for the English Dub that supposedly Funimation purposely didn't take the time to even try to perfect for you guys? I think not. So for buying Kai because of the new dub, I don't think that's a good reason to buy Kai. And after the editing, butchering, censoring of the footage you already have from the Dragon Boxes, people are still going to buy this and support the milking?

[MR.Mark]

I've seen DBox 1 all the way through at least four times since it was released, and I have yet to be bored.

I'm not at all surprised, as I've gone on record by saying I'm overall fine with how the Saiyan saga was adapted in Z. Sure there are a few lingering stuff here and there, with a few to many cuts to Bulma and the others during the fights. But overall, If the rest of Z was done like the Saiyan arc, I'd have FAR less beefs, and little need for Kai.

ranting about Kai being a scam over and over, greed, milking, you're all suckers, etc

Can I interest you in some DBZ eye drops? They're right here in my DBZ SUPA POWA DESK!

I see that you don't enjoy Kai, but dude wake up, dragon ball has been the golden goose far before Kai came along.

Plus that editing the show yourself argument holds no water. Toei's decisions with Kai was due to them being CHEAP, not lazy. You realize that editing down a 291 episode series, complete with new voice recordings and brand new score, takes considerable time and work?

As for the Kai dub, it's just icing on the cake when it comes to refreshing my interest in Dragon Ball, but it's not the main reason I'm collecting the Kai series.

[SSVegetto]

I see that you don't enjoy Kai, but dude wake up, dragon ball has been the golden goose far before Kai came along.

Doesn't mean I'm going to buy every single DB, DBZ merchandise, including video games, etc. Just because it's Dragon Ball.

You realize that editing down a 291 episode series, complete with new voice recordings and brand new score, takes considerable time and work?

Yes, but as not much as work as making a new series. Or completely reanimating a series.

Plus that editing the show yourself argument holds no water. Toei's decisions with Kai was due to them being CHEAP, not lazy.

What do you think cheap is? Doing something the cheaper way means a person cuts corners so they don't have to do as much work. More work means they need more money to pay for the stuff. Why do more work then you have to if they know the Dragonball fans will buy this stuff anyways and they can milk it. I don't think it's a matter of they didn't have enough money to come up with something new or they didn't have enough money to re-animate the series. But I think it's a matter of they knew they could be lazy and cheap and still make loads of money.

Either way, regardless of what I think of them, I'm speculating anyways. It's still kind of milking since it re-uses the same footage over again. Many popular franchises do the same thing , sometimes companies milk the franchises. Final Fantasy, a great series, it's awesome when they make a new game. But they tend to re-release and port games over and over again. Just milking for the quick cash in.

And by the way, sure my argument holds water. Because the biggest selling point of Kai is that it cuts filler to stay closer to the manga. Well, couldn't someone just easily do that their selves? By A. Just fast forwarding the filler parts, or B. Using a editing tool and cutting down the episodes? Hell, fans already do that with Naruto or Naruto Shippuuden episodes quite easily themselves. In reality you are just paying more money for already used animated footage.

Anyways, if you like it, then buy it and enjoy it. I just don't enjoy it. I don't like the music for it, it has horrible music. I don't see any advantage that I can't just use a fast forward button on my remote for DBZ. We can agree to disagree.

[Kendamu]

No, they don't bother me. If it's that big of a deal, I'll just watch my Kai Blu-ray or my DBox.

Heather and I have caught the past couple of episodes of Kai on TV recently and we noticed how the blood on their faces had been turned various shades of brown as a measure of censorship. She was like, "So they turned it into drool or something?" I replied, "No. Y'see, originally this knockdown drag-out fight was a milkshake fight."

So, now, whenever we see the "brown blood" we always make a joke about how they're sloppy with milkshakes.

[MR.Mark]

Doesn't mean I'm going to buy every single DB, DBZ merchandise, including video games, etc. Just because it's Dragon Ball.

Or maybe ,just maybe, some people enjoy Kai because they think it is a better product than Z. Don't label people as sheep or whatever nonsense just because you don't like it, weak argument.

Yes, but as not much as work as making a new series. Or completely reanimating a series.

Irrelevant, work is work.

What do you think cheap is?

Not spending a lot of money, which is what Toei would have to do if they wanted to reanimate a 100+ episode series from the ground up.

Dragonball fans will buy this stuff anyways and they can milk it.

Re-animate, re-edit, the end result would be the same, some fan would come along and accuse toei of rehashing the story. Get over it, all this bullshit talk about greed and milking it, and fans are suckers. Get off your high horse, I was only ever defending the relevance of Kai. I enjoy the refreshed take on the series over Z, you can keep the hippy fight the power politics out of it.

sure my argument holds water. Because the biggest selling point of Kai is that it cuts filler to stay closer to the manga. Well, couldn't someone just easily do that their selves? By A. Just fast forwarding the filler parts, or B. Using a editing tool and cutting down the episodes?

Already went over this, A. that is no fun at all, and B. that takes a lot of time and hard work, and I have a life to worry about.

In reality you are just paying more money for already used animated footage.

Presented in a mostly completely different way in how said footage is executed in Z. Plus you know, new music, new stereo voice recordings, new songs, new animations, etc, etc. I.E, a refreshed take on the series, which is why I like it.

[Blue]

Okay, let me ask you this. I know you like Kai because of the pacing and because it's more accurate to the manga. But why pay money for it? Did you even stop to think what you are paying for? You are paying money for something that anyone can easily just use Windows Media Maker and they can just cut out the filler parts out and make their own video from the DBZ Dragonbox vols(And it's less half assed as well since it's not censored), that Funimation is already releasing. You seriously going to pay money for that shit?

Ha ha are you kidding me? Nobody is going to sit down with Windows Movie Maker and edit a 291 episode series by themselves. People thought recording a 291 episode show from VHS to DVD was a lot of effort and a stupid request much less this. Why on Earth would I even want to plausibly work this hard on something I can just buy? Also enjoy your music jumping around all over the place.I like to go outside once in awhile, I can't speak for any other neck beard here but I have better things to do then that stupid shit. If you PERSONALLY want to edit 291 episodes and give them to me I'll be all too happy to accept.

Also LOL at the SPERGIN rant about how Kai is destroying the integrity of Dragon Ball. CURSE THOSE SHEEPLE BUYING KAI! Now if you'll excuse me I have some Dragon Ball cookies to eat before I lay down and take a nap on my Dragon Ball bedspread. I have a tournament tomorrow for Budokai Tenkaichi 36!

Final Fantasy, a great series, it's awesome when they make a new game. But they tend to re-release and port games over and over again. Just milking for the quick cash in.

It's more like if one of the Final Fantasy games took 1 hour to boot up every time you enter a new town and they create a new version that eliminates this problem.

[MCDaveG]

I'm bothered by all the edits ever made, because it's changing the original version of thing I wanna want to see. It's hypocritical shit, if kids in US aren't able to watch it uncut, they don't need to watch it at all. It's like buying figure of Batman without head.

[MR.Mark]

I'm bothered by all the edits ever made, because it's changing the original version of thing I wanna want to see. It's hypocritical shit, if kids in US aren't able to watch it uncut, they don't need to watch it at all. It's like buying figure of Batman without head.

Other than the edit of Gokus chest wound, nothing else Kai has done with the violence has bugged me. It's apples and oranges anyway, the Z anime was guilty of making some scenes more AND less violent than the manga, pick your poison.

If you want the violence and "blood N guts" the way it was meant to be seen, read the Japanese manga.

[SSVegetto]

Or maybe ,just maybe, some people enjoy Kai because they think it is a better product than Z. Don't label people as sheep or whatever nonsense just because you don't like it, weak argument.

No, I think you would be in the minority here if you think Kai is better than Z. For most people on this forum, they aren't replacing their DBZ collection with said Kai collection. Most of them are buying the "Funi's DBZ Dragon Box Vol sets" does not replace Kai one freakin bit for most people. I don't label them as sheep. They sort of label themselves as sheep. Proof, well, they buy the season sets they hate, then they buy the dragon box sets, then they buy the kai sets. They triple dip, or even go further. That's called Toei and Funimation milking.

Anyways, if Kai was so great, and so awesome. (We should have a poll by the way.) Then I'm willing to bet, the fans of Dragonball would sell their Z Dragon Boxes and replace them with Kai. And never watch Z again. How much do you want a bet that people that own the Z sets (Season sets, Dragon box sets) won't sell these sets as a replacement for Kai? Meaning people will still watch their Z sets.

And also what about you, do you own the Dragon Box Z volumes or season sets? I'm curious to ask you this because I looked at all of your posts. You seem to be spending most of your time in the "Kai" section. So I'm willing to bet you are in the minority.

Also if you do own the Z sets and have not sold them or are not going to replace them with Kai, since you think Kai is the greatest thing since slice bread in your opinion. Then that would make you look like you really don't like Kai as much as you brag about it.

Irrelevant, work is work.

Work is not just work. There is easy work and then there is hard work. That's not irreleveant, they could spend less time doing more work and making lots of more money on this certain franchise because people buy it no matter what. It's easier to re-release something then it is to make another original story. Or to reanimate it completely. More work and harder work, and requires more thinking. That's bogus to say that's irrelevant. There is different degrees and levels of work.

What do you think cheap is?

Not spending a lot of money, which is what Toei would have to do if they wanted to reanimate a 100+ episode series from the ground up.

Yes, that is cheap.

Re-animate, red-edit, the end result would be the same, some fan would come along and accuse Toei of rehashing the story.

Isn't that what I'm saying? They are rehashing the story to get a quick cash in? Rather than making a new story?

Get over it, all this bullshit talk about greed and milking it, and fans are suckers. Get off your high horse, I was only ever defending the relevance of Kai.

Get over it? Well, those are my opinions. Why don't you get over my opinions? It seems to me you are acting like a Kai fanboy. Also I did say this, at the end of my previous reply. "Anyways, if you like it, then buy it and enjoy it. I just don't enjoy it. I don't like the music for it, it has horrible music. I don't see any advantage that I can't just use a fast forward button on my remote for DBZ. We can agree to disagree."

sure my argument holds water. Because the biggest selling point of Kai is that it cuts filler to stay closer to the manga. Well, couldn't someone just easily do that their selves? By A. Just fast forwarding the filler parts, or B. Using a editing tool and cutting down the episodes?

Already went over this, A. that is no fun at all, and B. that takes a lot of time and hard work, and I have a life to worry about.

Point "A" So if it's not fun watching the filler parts. So I decide to point a remote at the TV to fast forward them to make it more fun so I can get to the interesting parts. That to me makes it more fun. Are you too lazy to click a button? Or is it more fun to watch the filler parts then having to fast forward them?

Point "B" It's not as much work as you think it is. People do it with Naruto and Naruto Shippuuden. Just regular fans. But since DBZ has been out for so long and people have seen it so many times. I doubt anyone has the motivation to do it.

So when I make this point, I'm not necessarily saying go out and do it, but I'm merely saying if a fan can do it, why should I pay a company for their product? I mean it's not re-animated. And if I own a legal copy of the Dragon Box footage. And I can do it myself. Why should I pay for the same exact thing? I don't hate "Z" filler parts so much that I have the motivation to do it. Since I can combine this point with my other point. I can simply fast forward parts I don't like.

Presented in a mostly completely different way in how said footage is executed in Z. Plus you know, new music, new stereo voice recordings, new songs, new animations, etc, etc. I.E, a refreshed take on the series, which is why I like it.

Presented in a mostly completely different way in how said footage is executed in Z. Plus you know, new music, new stereo voice recordings, new songs, new animations, etc, etc. I.E, a refreshed take on the series, which is why I like it.

Those are things that I don't buy into.

1. New music = A. BGM is awful, B. They could have put an extra DBZ Japanese BGM track as an extra in Kai but they choose not to on the DVDs

2. New Stereo Voice Recordings = Just doesn't appeal to me. The dub is basically the same dub.

3. New animations = To me they look pointless and they don't flow with the scene, it's nothing eye popping.

The Con you left out, is the censorship. And also, they didn't bother to uncensor it for the DVD release.

Ha ha are you kidding me? Nobody is going to sit down with Windows Movie Maker and edit a 291 episode series by themselves.

They did with Naruto and Naruto Shippuuden.

People thought recording a 291 episode show from VHS to DVD was a lot of effort and a stupid request much less this.

I've done it. To preserve my VHS stuff. I have done a VHS to VCD transfer on all the episodes. But later on I destroyed them because of the bad quality.

Why on Earth would I even want to plausibly work this hard on something I can just buy?

So you don't sell out and let them milk you for every rehashed Dragon Ball related thing they try to sell you. So you can buy something new or original.

If you PERSONALLY want to edit 291 episodes and give them to me I'll be all too happy to accept.

I may consider this project. I may want to do this actually.

Also LOL at the SPERGIN rant about how Kai is destroying the integrity of Dragon Ball. CURSE THOSE SHEEPLE BUYING KAI! Now if you'll excuse me I have some Dragon Ball cookies to eat before I lay down and take a nap on my Dragon Ball bedspread. I have a tournament tomorrow for Budokai Tenkaichi 36!

Well said. You enforced my point (about sheep). Although, I wasn't going for that Kai is destroying the integrity of Dragon Ball. It just makes it more stale and nothing new to look forward instead we look forward to rehashing the series over and over.

Final Fantasy, a great series, it's awesome when they make a new game. But they tend to re-release and port games over and over again. Just milking for the quick cash in.

It's more like if one of the Final Fantasy games took 1 hour to boot up every time you enter a new town and they create a new version that eliminates this problem.

No, that's more of a great exaggeration on your part. Even on DBZ the filler parts aren't that bad. But even so, that example is bad. Because I can't fast forward a video game now can I? But what I can do is fast forward DBZ.

[MR.Mark]

No, I think you would be in the minority here if you think Kai is better than Z. For most people on this forum, they aren't replacing their DBZ collection with said Kai collection.

Your labeling people again in a attempt to validate a weak argument. I'm collecting both DBZ boxes and Kai, and I more or less like how DBZ handled the saiyan arc. BOTH Z and Kai are flawed products that have ups and downs, I just think the overall pacing presentation in Kai is better, now do you understand , or are you gonna call me a sucker or some blanket statement?

Anyways, if Kai was so great, and so awesome. (We should have a poll by the way.) Then I'm willing to bet, the fans of Dragonball would sell their Z Dragon Boxes and replace them with Kai. And never watch Z again. How much do you want a bet that people that own the Z sets (Season sets, Dragon box sets) won't sell these sets as a replacement for Kai? Meaning people will still watch their Z sets.

Maybe some people love Dragon Ball so much they want to own it all? OMG what a novel concept!!

And also what about you, do you own the Dragon Box Z volumes or season sets? I'm curious to ask you this because I looked at all of your posts. You seem to be spending most of your time in the "Kai" section. So I'm willing to bet you are in the minority.

I bought those shit orange bricks, and currently I'm buying the Dboxes AND Kai. So what little black and white no Grey area category do you want to desperately try to shoe horn me into now? Majority vs Minority is one of the weakest arguments for liking something. For Christ sake, if you go by that logic, Transformers: revenge of the fallen is one of the best movies ever made. a lot of US fans dislike Nozawa, does that mean she sucks?

There is different degrees and levels of work.

Doesn't change the fact that what they're doing with Kai takes time and work, your argument makes no sense.

Isn't that what I'm saying? They are rehashing the story to get a quick cash in? Rather than making a new story?

Or maybe they took the opportunity to address one of the biggest flaws in the DBZ anime, the pacing. Thereby making it more appealing to already dragon ball fans that would like the option of a faster paced version? Seriously, what's so hard to understand that some fans find Kai refreshing and enjoyable? Did Toei also use the 20th anniversary as a time to do this version as a marketing strategy to make some more money off the franchise? No duh, ALL company's do this , wake up and smell the coffee. DBZ was not some holy artifact made with only artistic integrity in mind, once again, wake up. DBZ movies 1-13 in all there somewhat enjoyable but half ass glory is the very definition of "milking it".

It seems to me you are acting like a Kai fanboy.

No, I'm a DRAGON BALL fan boy that just happens to enjoy certain elements of Kai over the Z version. Seems to me like you're acting like to much of a Z fan boy to accept that maybe the version you love so much has some flaws? I still admit the flaws that Kai has you know.

Point "A" So if it's not fun watching the filler parts. So I decide to point a remote at the TV to fast forward them to make it more fun so I can get to the interesting parts. That to me makes it more fun. Are you too lazy to click a button? Or is it more fun to watch the filler parts then having to fast forward them?

Part of watching entertainment media in the first place is to escape reality and get absorbed into the world your watching.
The minute you have to fast forward the illusion is shattered and it no longer becomes fun to watch, end of story.

Point "B" It's not as much work as you think it is.

Cool, please edit DBZ for me , more professional than Kai's edit while your at it. Remember, I don't want any jumps in the music, good luck!

People do it with Naruto and Naruto Shippuuden.

Good on them, wish I had that kind of free time.

Those are things that I don't buy into.

Well that's your opinion, and it'd be nice if you could explain and back up why you feel that way.

1. New music = A. BGM is awful

I do like Shunsuke Kikuchi's score better, but not by a huge margin, this just comes down to personal taste. Kenji Yamamoto certainly has his moments of topping Kikuchi's score though, and over all his score suits Dragon Ball just fine.

2. New Stereo Voice Recordings = Just doesn't appeal to me. The dub is basically the same dub.

1. by stereo I meant the JAPANESE version, and 2. If you think the kai dub is the same dub quality wise you need your hearing checked.

3. New animations = To me they look pointless and they don't flow with the scene, it's nothing eye popping.

Do you own the Blu-ray? because they most certainly do pop in HD.

The Con you left out, is the censorship. And also, they didn't bother to uncensor it for the DVD release.

Kai and Z are two different shows that use the same footage, both versions had blood and gore that differed from the manga, so it's irrelevant in the scope of things.

Once again, I'm not here to discuss bullshit politics about company conduct, just a product I happen to enjoy.

[SSVegetto]

Your labeling people again in a attempt to validate a weak argument. I'm collecting both DBZ boxes and Kai, and I more or less like how DBZ handled the saiyan arc. BOTH Z and Kai are flawed products that have ups and downs, I just think the overall pacing presentation in Kai is better, now do you understand , or are you gonna call me a sucker or some blanket statement?

I'm not labeling anyone actually. I just went along with what you labeled yourself. If you are referring to "sheep". I never even brought that up. Until you brought it up.

I bought those shit orange bricks, and currently I'm buying the Dboxes AND Kai. So what little black and white no Grey area category to you want to desperately try to show horn me into now? Majority vs Minority is one of the weakest arguments for liking something. For Christ sake, if you go by that logic, Transformers: revenge of the fallen is one of the best movies ever made. a lot of US fans dislike Nozawa, does that mean she sucks?

Well, I simply wanted to prove a point. That if Kai was so wonderful, beautiful, and amazing. Then people would actually never watch "Z" anymore. And they would replace their sets with Kai. Looks like I can't find a fan that will ever do that so far. Which means to me. That "Z" is still good enough for most everyone. Including you. Kai is not superior enough to replace Z. Kai re-uses the same footage you already bought.

There is different degrees and levels of work.

Doesn't change the fact that what they're doing with Kai takes time and work, your argument makes no sense.

No duh, of course it doesn't change that fact that Kai takes time and work to make, why wouldn't it? I'm not arguing that. What do you mean my argument makes no sense? Re-animating the entire show takes more work than it would take to edit Kai. Therefore it's a lot more work. How does that make no sense? Also re-creating a new Dragonball show would take more work and creativity plus you would have to animate an entire new show. Which is a lot more work. What's so hard to understand about that? I'm not arguing that it took time for them to make Kai.

I'm just saying the more effort(work) to be creative, be original, and make something look more appealing, the more appealing the product is going to be(at least to me anyways). And since they didn't do anything original (be creative) , I'm saying Kai is a worthless , quickly rehashed product for the money. (At the expense of what little work they did to it) To make tons of cash, to make a easy cash in for themselves. So yes, the level of work is relevant.

Well that's your opinion, and it'd be nice if you could explain and back up why you feel that way.

I did explain it. And you know I did to, because you quoted my reasons below.

1. by stereo I meant the JAPANESE version, and 2. If you think the kai dub is the same dub quality wise you need your hearing checked.

Yeah, when I said dub, I was thinking of the Japanese dub. Which to me is virtually the same thing as DBZ's Japanese dub.

[MR.Mark]

I'm not labeling anyone actually. I just went along with what you labeled yourself. If you are referring to "sheep". I never even brought that up. Until you brought it up.

You may not of used the exact term, but you more or less implied it with your attitude. How toei can milk the series and fans will buy anything bla bla bla, get off your soap box.

Well, I simply wanted to prove a point.

which you haven't done in any way imaginable

That if Kai was so wonderful, beautiful, and amazing. Then people would actually never watch "Z" anymore.

Why must I never watch Z (or rather moments) again in order to appreciate Kai? Your logic makes my brain hurt.

No duh, of course it doesn't change that fact that Kai takes time and work to make, why wouldn't it? I'm not arguing that.

OI...the whole point to that exchange was you accused Toei of being lazy with Kai. I corrected you in that it was more about MONEY, being CHEAP. Fact is, reediting the show DOES take considerable time and work. Reanimating the show would of taken considerable time and work, and MONEY. Do you understand now?

I'm just saying the more effort(work) to be creative, be original, and make something look more appealing, the more appealing the product is going to be(at least to me anyways). And since they didn't do anything original (be creative) , I'm saying Kai is a worthless , quickly rehashed product for the money. (At the expense of what little work they did to it) To make tons of cash, to make a easy cash in for themselves.

I STILL LIKE ELEMENTS FROM DRAGONBALL Z BECAUSE I'M A HUGE FAN IN GENERAL, IN FACT I've SAID MANY TIMES I LIKE SOME OF THE FILLER AND HOW THE SAIYAN ARC WAS DONE. I JUST HAPPEN TO PREFER HOW KAI IS BEING DONE FOR REPEAT VIEWINGS BECAUSE OF IT'S PACING. TOEI HAS MADE A TON OF CASH BEFORE KAI CAME ALONG STOP IGNORING THE FACTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, PLEASE COME BACK DOWN TO PLANET EARTH!

SUPA POWA DESKU!!!!

Yeah, when I said dub, I was thinking of the Japanese dub. Which to me is virtually the same thing as DBZ's Japanese dub.

Well your wrong, performances are different, due to actors aging as well as many character recasts. Also, mono and stereo sound a pretty damn different from each other, get your hearing checked.

Feel free to respond with more pointless arguments like how Toei murders kittens in order to make Kai, when the enjoyment one gets out of the product is the only damn point I've been making.

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