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[TripleRach]

If the Kai releases were of the same episode count

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Kai having a lower episode count if a good thing because they have removed all of the awful padding and filler.

Hell, it's basically the crux of the product.

The problem is, even with the faster pacing, 13 Kai episodes still cover much less of the story than 42 Z episodes. And since both releases are priced similarly, the Dragon Boxes end up with a better ratio of dollars to manga chapters. Plus, we know there will only be seven Dragon Boxes, but it will probably take 10-12 Kai sets to cover the whole series.

[Gaffer Tape]

I wasn't saying I wanted Kai the series to have the same episode count as Z the series. I was saying the releases aren't as cost-effective because of lower episode count per release. That's not exactly a complaint. Thirteen episodes isn't bad per se, but when I compare it to 42 for nearly the same price, well... yeah.

[dan2026]

I wasn't saying I wanted Kai the series to have the same episode count as Z the series. I was saying the releases aren't as cost-effective because of lower episode count per release. That's not exactly a complaint. Thirteen episodes isn't bad per se, but when I compare it to 42 for nearly the same price, well... yeah.

Ok sorry, I misinterpreted what was being said. Guess Funi need to rethink their pricing structure.

[xzero]

I wasn't saying I wanted Kai the series to have the same episode count as Z the series. I was saying the releases aren't as cost-effective because of lower episode count per release. That's not exactly a complaint. Thirteen episodes isn't bad per se, but when I compare it to 42 for nearly the same price, well... yeah.

You're right, but simultaneously, it's not a very fair comparison. Z has been released in full once already, and released in almost full another time. The Dragon Boxes are better value per episode simply because this is the 3rd or 4th release for some of these episodes, and high episode counts are expected for subsequent releases.

Kai is in its initial DVD run, and 13-14 episodes per release is average for anime these days.

Of course, for someone buying these things for the dub, the Dragon Boxes are largely worthless. Kai's a substantially greater value at that point.

[Gaffer Tape]

I'm not saying it's fair. I'm just saying it's the way it is. I don't care if it's fair. When it comes down to what I choose to spend my (very small amount of) discretionary income on, I'm afraid I'm not going to base it around what's "fair" but rather what the product is in comparison to other products on the market. If the choice is between a show I've wanted a proper release for for over a decade with an amazing value and extremely high quality versus a show I don't care all that much about with a lower value and other mistakes I don't care for, then the choice is obvious: the Dragon Boxes are simply a better product, in terms of objective value, in terms of quality, and in terms of my personal wants and needs. As I said in my initial post, if Kai had somehow been able to get out a 40+ episode box set and had deferred to the Japanese titles and credits, even then I only might have considered getting it. Also, I don't care about the dub, either Z or Kai, so whether or not a good dub is included is entirely irrelevant and does not count as any additional value for me. Again, you might say that's not "fair," but again I'll just have to say, "I don't care."

[xzero]

I don't care about the dub, either Z or Kai, so whether or not a good dub is included is entirely irrelevant and does not count as any additional value for me. Again, you might say that's not "fair," but again I'll just have to say, "I don't care."

Actually, that's completely fair. If you only want the Japanese version, then there is no reasonable argument to suggest that the Kai sets are nearly as valuable as the DBox sets.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I was wondering, which it does pertain to the thread, who is buying both the Dragon Boxes and Kai?

The Dragon Boxes aren't as big of a priority as Kai is for me, but I'll probably get them eventually. I say this because I've seen DBZ before, and it's just going to look a little better on the Dragon Boxes. Kai is a (sort of) new thing for me, so that's why I'm more excited about it.

[Gaffer Tape]

I don't care about the dub, either Z or Kai, so whether or not a good dub is included is entirely irrelevant and does not count as any additional value for me. Again, you might say that's not "fair," but again I'll just have to say, "I don't care."

Actually, that's completely fair. If you only want the Japanese version, then there is no reasonable argument to suggest that the Kai sets are nearly as valuable as the DBox sets.

Well, I wouldn't say there's no reasonable argument. For those people who simply think that Kai is a better series in general (due to pacing, music, what have you) than DBZ, then they could easily make the argument that Kai has more value to them than Z. I personally think it would be nice to have Kai (for the Japanese version), but it's not as important to me as the DBoxes, and nitpicks like it being Z Kai and only having the English titles and credits are enough to put me off, as those things ever so slightly diminish the value of the Japanese version for me. Honestly, if I never get it, I won't lose any sleep over it. But since I'm not in any huge hurry to own it, I won't mind waiting to see if a better (more Japanese-oriented) release comes about in the future.

[Rocketman]

The only reason not to buy Kai is if you like being bored out of your mind by shitty filler. The people who prefer Z are like people who think someone who gets their crippling, blubbering obesity surgically removed is ugly because it leaves scars.

The excising of the filler so vastly improves Kai that it would have to smash my balls at least three times before I began taking points away from it.

So yes, it's worth it.

[Raven]

The only reason not to buy Kai is if you like being bored out of your mind by shitty filler. The people who prefer Z are like people who think someone who gets their crippling, blubbering obesity surgically removed is ugly because it leaves scars.

The excising of the filler so vastly improves Kai that it would have to smash my balls at least three times before I began taking points away from it.

So yes, it's worth it.

I love how you phrased that xD And I understand what you're saying, however, you seem to be forgetting that it's not only the pacing that makes the difference. For me, the beauty of the original Dragonball/Z is the fact that it looks/sounds/feels like an old show. I love the grain and the original music.. That's maybe even 40 % of the reason why I like the show..To me, Kai doesn't feel that way because of its 'modern remastered look'. That's a much bigger problem than filler to me: I don't like the way it feels and that's why I'm not buying it.

However, if they were to release a filler-free version with Kikuchi's music in it and the Dragon box footage I would definitely prefer this over the original Z

[obiwan23s]

I'm buying Kai for two reasons, one is because I believe Toei is doing Kai in lieu of a full Blu-Ray release of Z TV and I want to own DBZ in high-definition. The other is the English dub, which I'm on board with after listening to the first two sets. It's still not perfect but it's passable and most importantly enjoyable. Before if I watched the Z dub, it felt like I wasn't watching the right show. Now I can tell that the translation is mostly correct and even tell when lines are identical or based on their original translation rather than pulled out of some script writer's ass. FUNimation has improved their Z dub by leaps and bounds with this release and I'd like to support it by buying the BDs.

[Turtle Marked Stone]

The only reason not to buy Kai is if you like being bored out of your mind by shitty filler. The people who prefer Z are like people who think someone who gets their crippling, blubbering obesity surgically removed is ugly because it leaves scars.

The excising of the filler so vastly improves Kai that it would have to smash my balls at least three times before I began taking points away from it.

So yes, it's worth it.

What if I'm into fat chicks?

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Piccolo Daimaoh]

What if I'm into fat chicks?

Then watch Dragon Ball Z.