If you really think about it, the Japanese DragonBox isn't..

[TonyTheTiger]

How is it bad? Are you freaken serious? U.S Dragon Ball fans have been cheated out of release, after release, after release!!! How can you for one second think that FINNALY getting something to be happy about it wrong? Explain?
FUNimation is greedy, like it said, it's not their job to satisfy other country fans, let alone their own, until the N.A. DBox. If other countries want their own Dbox, they will have to get it themselves through their own market. Not trying to be a selfish prick, but that's life.

You're missing the point. It's not about being happy to get what you want. It's about being happy that other people aren't getting what they want, too. It's the kind of "I'm happy because you're not" mentality.

[Kendamu]

We had our little "nyah, nyah" when the US Dbox was announced, then we moved on with our lives and started enjoying the releases. It's only when people bring it back up that those feelings even come back.

But that's a bad thing. That's the whole point.

Yes, it's a bad thing. However, it's something that was quick and then it was over... except for when people keep bringing up the fact that it ever happened. Otherwise, we're past it. We've moved on. When new DBox stuff is announced, we're talking about packing, episodes, possible (unlikely) extras, pricing, release date, where we're buying it from, and who is going to dissect it and to what degree.

It's only when people keep saying, "One time, during the summer of 2009, you stuck your tongue out at the dub fans," that it ever comes back up!

[AnimeMaakuo]

Again, FUNimation is greedy, like I said. It's not their job to satisfy other country fans, let alone their own, until the N.A. DBox. If other countries want their own Dbox, they will have to get it themselves through their own market. Not trying to be a selfish prick, but life can be a bitch sometimes..

[TonyTheTiger]

It's only when people keep saying, "One time, during the summer of 2009, you stuck your tongue out at the dub fans," that it ever comes back up!

Well obviously nobody is going to talk about that aspect every single release. People aren't even doing full reviews of the newer sets since it amounts to "yup, same as last time." But, seriously, people don't bring this up out of the blue. The only reason I did at all was in response to your "It's best that it's not there." So before any talk of the "nyah, nyah" stuff came up, you let those feelings slip through first, didn't you? That doesn't sound like it's dead and buried to me.

I'm not saying they're blatantly there every single day. I'm saying they seem to be dormant and tend to sneak their way into the conversation when questions of audio come up. And I'm not trying to point fingers at anybody in particular. This isn't the first time I noticed it creep its way into people's posts. But I think it's one of the only times since I've been here (lurking and posing) that the conversation skewed directly toward addressing it.

[Kendamu]

It's only when people keep saying, "One time, during the summer of 2009, you stuck your tongue out at the dub fans," that it ever comes back up!

Well obviously nobody is going to talk about that aspect every single release. People aren't even doing full reviews of the newer sets since it amounts to "yup, same as last time." But, seriously, people don't bring this up out of the blue. The only reason I did at all was in response to your "It's best that it's not there." So before any talk of the "nyah, nyah" stuff came up, you let those feelings slip through first, didn't you? That doesn't sound like it's dead and buried to me.

I'm not saying they're blatantly there every single day. I'm saying they seem to be dormant and tend to sneak their way into the conversation when questions of audio come up. And I'm not trying to point fingers at anybody in particular. This isn't the first time I noticed it. But I think it's one of the only times since I've been here that the conversation skewed directly toward addressing it.

I was talking about demographics! Most people who are going to buy DBZ already have and the majority of potential buyers that are left were waiting for the DBox! Those people don't care about the dub (which was an afterthought) let alone the broadcast OST! Those are the same people who feel offended that the broadcast OST was ever even a part of DBZ!

You're putting words in my mouth and I don't appreciate it!

I think you might want to step back and reconsider who I am. I'm not known for just starting shit out of the blue or making fun of people who have preferences other than mine. This is especially true considering how my friends fill various parts of the English-speaking fanbase. I generally don't even get in the middle of dub/sub arguments because I don't particularly care what you watch on your own time. You're the one who seems to be twisting my words into some animosity when all I was trying to do was explain where people were coming from in respect to the lack-of broadcast OST.

Got it?!

EDIT: Y'know what? I'm out. I'm getting too worked up over this. I've tried and tried and tried to explain and be nice. I don't need to be holding grudges over something like this. If you haven't gotten it by now, obviously someone who can word things better than I can needs to find this thread. I've done all that I can. Nothing personal, but I'm done. This thread had "Trouble for Josh" written all over it from the beginning and I should've listened to my instincts.

[Jaruka]

The orange bricks are probably the most encompassing set ever made in America. Not only does it reach out to 3 different Dub fanbases, but it's the cheapest and easiest to find.

Three dubs? Which three...?

[PuppetDoctor]

The orange bricks are probably the most encompassing set ever made in America. Not only does it reach out to 3 different Dub fanbases, but it's the cheapest and easiest to find.

Three dubs? Which three...?

I think they meant:

1) Japanese Score with English dub
2) Broadcast Score with English Dub
3) Original Japanese version

[Bardo117]

Everyone here should LOVE the FUNi score. Imagine DBZ would've been brought to America with the score that the Japanese had? The marketing would've changed, the tone would've changed, and the RECEPTION overall would've changed. I can't see kids liking DBZ with that non-awesome sounding Japanese soundtrack when you had cartoons like Transformers, Digimon and others with badass sounding music.

DBZ was marketed as a Badass fighting cartoon with some serious kick-ass intensity. Now if it where show with that calm, old fashioned sound that the Japanese Score had, things might be REALLY different here for DBZ in America. Less kids liking it means less show time on Tv, Less show time on Tv means less people that know about it, and less people not knowing about it, means it dies out quick.

Now if it had been canceled early on, I'd say 90% of us wouldn't be on the forum, and we wouldn't even KNOW about DB in the 1st place.

Like I said, you can't show a commercial with badass fighting and intense music, and then when you watch the show, it has old fashioned music. That's just BAD marketing.

Now me personally, I grew up with the Mexican DUB from across the border(I live across the border in the U.S) so I didn't grow up with the FUNi Dub. I would've know about DBZ regardless of what happened here in America. BUT, I only saw the entire Dragonball series, GT, and the Saiyan-Cell saga in spanish. Not till YEARS later I saw the show on Cartoon Network, they had the Buu saga going on so I watched that. So I like both Faulconer music and the Japanese score.

[Gaffer Tape]

Everyone here should LOVE the FUNi score. Imagine DBZ would've been brought to America with the score that the Japanese had? The marketing would've changed, the tone would've changed, and the RECEPTION overall would've changed. I can't see kids liking DBZ with that non-awesome sounding Japanese soundtrack when you had cartoons like Transformers, Digimon and others with badass sounding music.

Aaaaaand now you officially lost me. I should LOVE the FUNi score for totally altering and misrepresenting a show that I love to thousands of children who now lord it over me? I should LOVE the tonally-inept FUNi score over the epic and sweeping and loveably silly score it replaced? Non-awesome? Um... no... I definitely shouldn't feel that way.

[VegettoEX]

Bardo117, I'm at a complete loss for how to respond to your post. Your twist your logic and arguments over themselves so it's a giant contradiction in the end (if I'm following correctly, that is), and it's all mixed in with blanket statements about a franchise and its marketing that ranges from misinformed on one end to flat-out-flabbergastingly-wrong on the other.

Why is this back to an argument over demographics and he-has/he-doesn't-have...? We're four boxes into a product that many of us have been looking forward to and continue to look forward to. Some of these asinine arguments that some folks want to regurgitate (much to my/our hesitancy) just seems silly at that point in the game.

Personally, I want to focus on what is rather than what isn't -- just like redundant commentary about orange brick four was ridiculous when you were really talking about stuff that was relevant from the first set... well... there you go...

[AgitoZ]

Everyone here should LOVE the FUNi score. Imagine DBZ would've been brought to America with the score that the Japanese had? The marketing would've changed, the tone would've changed, and the RECEPTION overall would've changed. I can't see kids liking DBZ with that non-awesome sounding Japanese soundtrack when you had cartoons like Transformers, Digimon and others with badass sounding music.

DBZ was marketed as a Badass fighting cartoon with some serious kick-ass intensity. Now if it where show with that calm, old fashioned sound that the Japanese Score had, things might be REALLY different here for DBZ in America. Less kids liking it means less show time on Tv, Less show time on Tv means less people that know about it, and less people not knowing about it, means it dies out quick.

Now if it had been canceled early on, I'd say 90% of us wouldn't be on the forum, and we wouldn't even KNOW about DB in the 1st place.

Like I said, you can't show a commercial with badass fighting and intense music, and then when you watch the show, it has old fashioned music. That's just BAD marketing.

Now me personally, I grew up with the Mexican DUB from across the border(I live across the border in the U.S) so I didn't grow up with the FUNi Dub. I would've know about DBZ regardless of what happened here in America. BUT, I only saw the entire Dragonball series, GT, and the Saiyan-Cell saga in spanish. Not till YEARS later I saw the show on Cartoon Network, they had the Buu saga going on so I watched that. So I like both Faulconer music and the Japanese score.

Everyone DOES NOT have to like the FUNi score. The score can be interpreted a number of different ways. To me it sounds like techno. The marketing is flat out wrong if you seen the show. It's about a monkey trying to bring forth a dragon. It is not serious business. How would the music change the reception? Also what Digimon where you watching? It does not have the "badass" music you speak of.

DB Kai is being broadcast with it's original music and it's doing quite well. Kai's score is as light hearted as DBZ's was.

Crap beaten to the punch.

[AnimeMaakuo]

Everyone here should LOVE the FUNi score. Imagine DBZ would've been brought to America with the score that the Japanese had? The marketing would've changed, the tone would've changed, and the RECEPTION overall would've changed. I can't see kids liking DBZ with that non-awesome sounding Japanese soundtrack when you had cartoons like Transformers, Digimon and others with badass sounding music.

DBZ was marketed as a Badass fighting cartoon with some serious kick-ass intensity. Now if it where show with that calm, old fashioned sound that the Japanese Score had, things might be REALLY different here for DBZ in America. Less kids liking it means less show time on Tv, Less show time on Tv means less people that know about it, and less people not knowing about it, means it dies out quick.

Now if it had been canceled early on, I'd say 90% of us wouldn't be on the forum, and we wouldn't even KNOW about DB in the 1st place.

Like I said, you can't show a commercial with badass fighting and intense music, and then when you watch the show, it has old fashioned music. That's just BAD marketing.

Now me personally, I grew up with the Mexican DUB from across the border(I live across the border in the U.S) so I didn't grow up with the FUNi Dub. I would've know about DBZ regardless of what happened here in America. BUT, I only saw the entire Dragonball series, GT, and the Saiyan-Cell saga in spanish. Not till YEARS later I saw the show on Cartoon Network, they had the Buu saga going on so I watched that. So I like both Faulconer music and the Japanese score.

FUNimation turned DB into a terrible scripted AMV that blew out my eardrums, lol (Dat shit is dope!). Urban slang.. Always wanted to try it. Anyhow, hope I didn't violate your "Bruce Guitar Man" dub, because you kinda lost me lol. Not trying to add on to this arguement, just trying to give my opinion on the matter.

[Innagadadavida]

I think I understand what he was saying, but he carelessly picked the wrong words.

But I kind of agree. I believe the updated score had more to do with the cartoon's success than is often given credit for around here. Not to say that it's better. But its certainly less dated.

NOT THAT THAT'S A BAD THING.

[Kaboom]

Everyone here should LOVE the FUNi score.

Thank you so much for saying this. I've had a pretty crappy day today overall, getting rejected for multiple seasonal jobs, getting pressured about other stuff outside of my control, and so on... I really needed a good laugh.

Anyway... No. DBZ's popularity in the US owes very little to FUNimation, and it owes NOTHING to inexcusable screw-ups like replacing the BGM. It owes its popularity to being DBZ. The old North American dubs seem to be the only ones in the whole world who ever thought replacing the music was a good idea. Everyone else, even craptastic attempted-English dubs like the Singaporean one at least had the common sense to keep the original music.

Your logic is backwards. DBZ was popular in the United States DESPITE its bad treatment. Just imagine how much more successful it may have been if things were done right from the get-go. The English Dragon Boxes, and their goal of phasing out the mistakes of the past, their own BGM included, represent FUNimation's renewed respect for the series and their new attitude in its treatment.

But there's only so much they can do for a series that they've already had for 10 or so years, finished dubbing long ago, and have released multiple times already. Which is where Kai comes in; it's their lucky second chance to start over with a refreshed, new version of the series, and handle it RIGHT this time.


Now, I'm not sure how much this applies to the original topic...

[Gaffer Tape]

I don't want to tear the guy a new one, but I seriously disagree. I don't think the music had anything to do with it. Again, this is a show for children. The majority of children aren't even going to give a rat's ass about what music is in the show. And most of the ones who do are just going to associate whatever they first hear with that show. There was nothing wrong with the original score. FUNimation's score didn't help or save anything as far as I'm concerned.

All I can say with any certainty is my own experience, and in my experience, as a kid, I was introduced through the dub and its score. The dub of movies 2 and 1 on Toonami were my introduction to the Japanese score, and I had no idea it was the Japanese score. But whatever it was, I thought it was so much better than what the series had and wondered why everything else sounded so bland and generic instead of epic and grand like the movies did.

[Bardo117]

Bardo117, I'm at a complete loss for how to respond to your post. Your twist your logic and arguments over themselves so it's a giant contradiction in the end (if I'm following correctly, that is), and it's all mixed in with blanket statements about a franchise and its marketing that ranges from misinformed on one end to flat-out-flabbergastingly-wrong on the other.

Why is this back to an argument over demographics and he-has/he-doesn't-have...? We're four boxes into a product that many of us have been looking forward to and continue to look forward to. Some of these asinine arguments that some folks want to regurgitate (much to my/our hesitancy) just seems silly at that point in the game.

Personally, I want to focus on what is rather than what isn't -- just like redundant commentary about orange brick four was ridiculous when you were really talking about stuff that was relevant from the first set... well... there you go...

In simple words,

Any little difference to the marketing of DBZ early on, might of affected it's future here in America. Cancelations, ratings, ect.

DBZ might now have been as big as it is, if it weren't for all those kids who woke up early Saturday to watch DBZ. I have lots of cousins, and they think its BORING as hell when I put the DBZ Orange bricks because of the music so I always switch it to the FUNi score. They seem to enjoy the music a lot more, because its more appealing to kids, which, this show is intended for.

Didn't you say yourself that DBZ was ORIGINALLY syndicated in America back in the 80's(Or early 90's by a random company, I don't remember)? I read it somewhere on your web-site. The marketing was done wrong, so it was unsuccsessfull.


Regardless, you should show more respect to what FUNi did with DBZ. How ever "horrible" it might be, it's probably what introduced you to DBZ in the 1st place. So you should LITERALLY THANK them for that. Thank them, for knowing how to turn DBZ into the most popular American cartoon show.

[Gaffer Tape]

Yes, I can thank them for introducing me to the show, but I can't thank them for anything else. I certainly can't thank them for "making it successful." I'd honestly rather it have been a niche pleasure than a mainstream marketing whore if they had just kept it like it should have been (not that I think that would have been the case, but a niche thing would have made a much less annoying fanbase). Like Kaboom said, I liked the show DESPITE all the terrible things FUNimation did to it, not because of it. Dragon Ball is just that enjoyable, just that fun, that even if you screw up every aspect of it, it's still somehow entertaining.

[AnimeMaakuo]

When I was in Japan, the kids hated the Bruce Fal. score. Despite FUNimation brainwashing kids into watching their inaccurate dub while injecting stinky rock music that made them want to watch it more, it was successful! Now we have kids who don't know the truth! Ahhhhhhh!! X_X.


FUNimation says: "Don't worry kids, we will soon have release, after release." "Soon, in ten years.. we will have all your money." "As a gift, we will release the Dbox!" "It will contain the accurate stuff, but wait.. Kai will come out the same day!"


"MONEY, BABY MONEY!!"

Kids say: Should I get the DBox or Kai?!? ...Mommy, can I get them both?? .. "Yes sweety."

FUNimation says: " Muwahwuahwauwhauwhawhuawhahwuahwuawha "

[Bardo117]

Everyone here should LOVE the FUNi score.

Thank you so much for saying this. I've had a pretty crappy day today overall, getting rejected for multiple seasonal jobs, getting pressured about other stuff outside of my control, and so on... I really needed a good laugh.

Anyway... No. DBZ's popularity in the US owes very little to FUNimation, and it owes NOTHING to inexcusable screw-ups like replacing the BGM. It owes its popularity to being DBZ. The old North American dubs seem to be the only ones in the whole world who ever thought replacing the music was a good idea. Everyone else, even craptastic attempted-English dubs like the Singaporean one at least had the common sense to keep the original music.

Your logic is backwards. DBZ was popular in the United States DESPITE its bad treatment. Just imagine how much more successful it may have been if things were done right from the get-go. The English Dragon Boxes, and their goal of phasing out the mistakes of the past, their own BGM included, represent FUNimation's renewed respect for the series and their new attitude in its treatment.

But there's only so much they can do for a series that they've already had for 10 or so years, finished dubbing long ago, and have released multiple times already. Which is where Kai comes in; it's their lucky second chance to start over with a refreshed, new version of the series, and handle it RIGHT this time.


Now, I'm not sure how much this applies to the original topic...

How do you know that? As a kid, would you rather hear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U8FdCPrMaU or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMq9S_CHsWg

Both are great, but obviously one is a lot "Fresher" than the other.


And to those people saying that DBZ was big was simply because it's "DBZ", that's wrong. Wasn't DB(Z, not sure) syndicated in the early 90's and failed because it was crappy? Somebody had to come along and know how to expose DBZ the RIGHT way.

[AnimeMaakuo]

By brain washing the kids ! Of course! It's not bad, just throw in some hardcore music and release stuff a few hundred times lol.


FUNimation says: "Don't worry kids, we will soon have release, after release." "Soon, in ten years.. we will have all your money." "As a gift, we will release the Dbox!" "It will contain the accurate stuff, but wait.. Kai will come out the same day!"
"MONEY, BABY MONEY!!"


Kids say: Should I get the DBox or Kai?!? ...Mommy, can I get them both?? .. "Yes sweety."

FUNimation says: " Muwahwuahwauwhauwhawhuawhahwuahwuawha "