Pros & Cons

[Piccolo Daimao]

- The kids. 'Nuff said.

For me, Goten and Trunks typify what makes the Boo arc so much fun. Gotenks was a bit much sometimes, especially to have him achieve SSj3, but even that can be forgiven due to the WTF?! nature of the rest of the arc-- nothing about these episodes approaches the seriousness of what came before, and instead harkens back to Ye Olde DragonBall.

I couldn't be happier with how these characters turned out.

While I do like the best-friend dynamic between Goten and Trunks, which I admit was a little fun, Goten was just a one-note, unimaginative Kid Goku clone with no personality--unless you call an extension of Kid Trunks a personality. And then they became annoying after the Budokai, especially when they talked back to Goku because he was knocked out during the Boo stuff (they didn't even ask how, considering Vegeta was the one who did it in the first place).

And Gotenks isn't funny at all. I found him to be an arrogant waste of space. And it's a real slap in the face when you look at all the training the other Z-Warriors have gone through, only to have a 7/8-year-old top the Earthlings, get Super Saiyan right off the bat and Gotenks gets Super Saiyan 3.

[Savage68]

Better than what Vegeta got!

Maybe, but Vegeta's took place over several years.

Vegeta wanted to return to his old, ruthless self, with not a care in the world for his new Earth family. This is immediately thrown into question after he says it. And of course, he completely switches tones in the next fight.

[Rocketman]

Vegeta wanted to return to his old, ruthless self, with not a care in the world for his new Earth family. This is immediately thrown into question after he says it. And of course, he completely switches tones in the next fight.

Exactly. He's the only one who sees himself becoming a softy good guy and hates it. He actually has an internal struggle over his changing instead of meekly falling into lockstep behind Goodku.

Goten and Trunks harken back to Ye Olde DragonBall.

This is a good part of why I don't like them and the Buu arc in general.

Dragonball had changed. Trying to go back to its crappy origins made as much sense as if the President said "alright, we're tearing down all industry, reinstituting slavery and selling off everything west of the Appalachian Mountains because we gotta go back to our roots!"

Dragonball's roots suck. There's a reason why Z so utterly dominates the franchise.

And the Buu arc is even worse for only halfway doing it. Every single human being on Earth is slaughtered. The big damn hero's response? "whatevs! FLYING WOMBAT MOO OLOLOLOLOLOLoh our families were killed and/or eaten by this guy? .... FER SURE SUPA VOLLEYBALL OLOLOLOLOLOLOLO"

[Dr. Casey]

Dragonball's roots suck. There's a reason why Z so utterly dominates the franchise.

I thought you liked everything about the first Dragon Ball series except Pilaf?

[Hellspawn28]

It seems like that I'm only very few fans who loves the Buu saga? I love the Buu saga since the battles where great, and we got a different type of main villain for once. The Buu saga has more interesting vibrant then the Cell arc if you ask me. Oh my pros and cons:

Saiya-jin arc:

+ Goku's full origin
+ The battle with Goku and Vegeta
+ Nappa himself was a great character
+ Seeing Piccolo change over time with Gohan
+ Piccolo's death
- I can't really think of much other then the fillers in the anime seem to be rather pointless.

Freeza arc:

+ Freeza himself. Great villain, has a great character devoplement and the idea conpect behind him was very well done. One of my favorite anime villains
+ Cool minor villains like Captain Ginyu, Zarbon, Cui and the rest of the Ginyu force
+ Zenkais
+ The SSj transformation
+ The final battle with SSj Goku and Freeza
+ Piccolo becoming a good guy after fusing with Nail
- Some of the characters need more screen time like Nail

Cell arc:

+ Gohan's SSj2 transformation
+ Cell himself was great
+ Gero was a great villain
+ The battles such as Piccolo vs #17, USSJ Vegeta vs Cell, and SSj Goku vs Cell
+ King Cold was pretty cool for someone who was in two or three chapters
- Freeza getting killed off too quick since he just came back after a long epic battle, and was lucky enough to surrived if it was not for his Father
- #17 and #18 where not scary and evil as Trunks makes out to be.
- Most of the battles lack any true substance

Buu arc:

+ A great final villain
+ The SSj3 Transformation
+ The fusions
+ Vegeta being a villain again in the past four or five years
+ The story and conpect behind Buu was more fresh and original then Cell or the Artificial Humans
+ Mystic Gohan
+ Kaioshin was pretty cool, and the Elder Kaioshin was funny
+ Yakon and Dabura pretty awesome
- So many forums of Buu, I like Kid Buu as the next guy but I think we should stop having another form of Buu after Super Buu 3
- Vegito lack of screen time
- Dabura could have been a great villain if he lasted longer. It would have been cool to see Dragon Ball's version of Satan to have be a major villain of the story somehow.

I might do the first part of Dragon Ball later. GT is hit or miss, mostly miss (The Black Star Dragon Ball arc is a atrocious).

[Piccolo Daimao]

-Freeza getting killed off too quick since he just came back after a long epic battle, and was lucky enough to surrived if it was not for his Father

"Woah...you killed Freeza like it was nothing, but these things spook you?"

The whole idea of Freeza getting one-shotted by Trunks was to make the Androids look even more scary by comparison. Basically, if a guy who killed Freeza couldn't even beat these guys, there's more impact to the readers.

But anyway, I don't know how I even feel about a cut-in-half Freeza surviving SSj Goku's blast and then the planet's explosion anyway. Maybe if they'd used Coola coming to Earth instead of Freeza (like in DBZ Movie #5), it would've been better. But still, there would be the fact that it's Freeza's brother being just introduced and then killed on the spot.

[Hellspawn28]

I forgot to add the whole time travel conpect as a con in the Cell saga. Time Travel in fiction tends always screw things up in the series making things confusing (Look at Terminator, and Godzilla for example).

[Piccolo Daimao]

I forgot to add the whole time travel conpect as a con in the Cell saga. Time Travel in fiction tends always screw things up in the series making things confusing (Look at Terminator, and Godzilla for example).

Heh. That's time travel for you. Even when Dragon Ball tried to make it less confusing by having multiple timelines, it still ends up being a clusterfuck for some people.

I personally never had a problem with it, and just write off whatever screw-ups it has as time travel norm. I can still enjoy The Terminator or Back to the Future if I don't think too hard about its time travel.

[CatouttaHell]

Dragonball's roots suck. There's a reason why Z so utterly dominates the franchise.

Dragonball is a hundred times more entertaining than Z. Both the story and the fighting was much better done IMO.

[SonEric84]

"Woah...you killed Freeza like it was nothing, but these things spook you?"

The whole idea of Freeza getting one-shotted by Trunks was to make the Androids look even more scary by comparison. Basically, if a guy who killed Freeza couldn't even beat these guys, there's more impact to the readers.

But anyway, I don't know how I even feel about a cut-in-half Freeza surviving SSj Goku's blast and then the planet's explosion anyway. Maybe if they'd used Coola coming to Earth instead of Freeza (like in DBZ Movie #5), it would've been better. But still, there would be the fact that it's Freeza's brother being just introduced and then killed on the spot.

That would actually be a pretty cool idea. Maybe so Coola wouldn't "go to waste" they could still have made movie 5 but have it be considered an alternate universe version. (Which is basically what the movies are anyway.)

[Nazi Cola]

Goku wasn't completely owned by Ginyu. He far outclassed Ginyu and had the upper hand until Ginyu switched bodies.

That's what I mean. He just got thrown away far too quickly after his epic arrival. I know it was for the sake of plot, but jeez, it sucked, and I don't even like Goku that much.

[Rocketman]

I thought you liked everything about the first Dragon Ball series except Pilaf?

People don't mean King Piccolo when they want/like DB "going back to its roots".

[Zephyr]

+ Nappa himself was a great character

I don't think DBZ Abridged counts.

[Hellspawn28]

+ Nappa himself was a great character

I don't think DBZ Abridged counts.

I was not counting DBZ abridged. I always did enjoy Nappa, he was a cool character since I tend to enjoy judggernut type of characters.

[Zephyr]

+ Nappa himself was a great character

I don't think DBZ Abridged counts.

I was not counting DBZ abridged. I always did enjoy Nappa, he was a cool character since I tend to enjoy judggernut type of characters.

Ah okay. I was confused because other than that, there's really not much to Nappa as a character.

[Kid Buu]

Saiyan Arc
+ Badass villains.
+ The team work that was used to defeat Raditz and Vegeta, and hold off Nappa.
+ Piccolo and Gohan's relationship
+ Yajirobe saves the world...amazing.
+ Excellent filler.
- The Nappa fight with Tenshinan and Chiaotzu was pretty dull.
- Yamcha getting killed by a Saibaman. :/
- Scenery was pretty bland.

Freeza Arc:
+ Vegeta as lead for a while
+ Awesome villains and designs, such as Zarbon and Jeice.
+ Great battles as well.
+ Hunt for Dragon Balls
- Power Levels got too out of hand. From 8,000 to 150 million? Um...
- Freeza's 3rd form design.
- In retrospective, Zenkai is kind of a lame plot device.
- Bland scenery
- No Yajirobe

Cell Saga:
+ Great villains.
+ I thought the SSJ stages were handled well, such as USSJ2 and FPSSJ.
+ Much better scenery.
+ More spotlight for other characters, such as Piccolo and even Tenshinan.
+ FINAL FLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Vegeta didn't seem as cunning as he did in the Freeza arc.
- Gohan's builup during the saga was pretty nonexistent, anime handled it better.
- Confusing 3 different timelines.
- #16 was kind of a rehash of #8.
- Just gonna mention Yajirobe for the hell of it.

Buu Saga:
+ Saiyaman arc was awesome.
+ Fat Buu, Super Buu, and Kid Buu all had different personalities and were entertaining.
+ Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack
+ I liked how Piccolo was still kept in the spotlight despite being irrelevant powerwise, actually.
+ Vegetto...enough said.
+ Vegeta's speech on Goku being #1.
- Goten and Trunks being SSJ was kind of lame.
- Supreme Kai, and anything to do with him.
- Majin Vegeta/Goku rematch was awful, anime did it better.
- Gotenks Buu and Gohan Buu were lame Perfect Cell wannabes.
- Vegetto's defusing.
- Uub ending was kind of meh.
- And of course, a Yajirobe mention.

[Piccolo Daimao]

But anyway, I don't know how I even feel about a cut-in-half Freeza surviving SSj Goku's blast and then the planet's explosion anyway. Maybe if they'd used Coola coming to Earth instead of Freeza (like in DBZ Movie #5), it would've been better. But still, there would be the fact that it's Freeza's brother being just introduced and then killed on the spot.

That would actually be a pretty cool idea. Maybe so Coola wouldn't "go to waste" they could still have made movie 5 but have it be considered an alternate universe version. (Which is basically what the movies are anyway.)

That's the thing, I don't think that Toei would use a canon villain from the main storyline for one of their movies, since all the movie villains are original characters.

Dragonball's roots suck. There's a reason why Z so utterly dominates the franchise.

Dragonball is a hundred times more entertaining than Z. Both the story and the fighting was much better done IMO.

Dragon Ball is better than Z as a story, but the majority of the fandom will disagree with you when you say DB's more entertaining than Z. Rocketman's right, Z does dominate the franchise and people tend to like it more than DB.