Bardock Special: Director's Cut

[MetalMadness]

Wait, are you splicing together scenes from the Bardock Special, King Vegeta Flashback, Cooler Movie, and Broly Movie?

If so, I'd like to say I have already done this! Haha, yeah I included everything, and the audio is really not an issue! You see, the audio that comes with the Movies/Episodes is 6 channel Audio, and with the proper tools, you can split that audio and isolate the VOICES only. I know this because I've already done it! However, my order is a bit different from yours. My order was having King Vegeta's attempt to kill Freeza RIGHT before Bardock's attempt. I felt this was more fitting because if the King died earlier in the story, it wouldn't make sense that the saiyans at that bar Bardock went to didn't believe that Freeza didn't betray them. I guess there's always the explanation that they didn't know their king died, but still, I guess I liked it better to have the King die right before Bardock.

I also made sure to put in Broly's execution right before the scene where we see Bardock visiting Goku, so it explains why we don't see Broly in that chamber.

As for your planet exploding problem, well I found a solution to that as well. What I did was splice the scene of Broly escaping so that it shows him escaping in the debris only. In simple terms, I show the original planet exploding animation from the Bardock special, and RIGHT after that we see Broly escaping; there is no second showing of the explosion.


Although I don't think you guys would be interested to see my version of it since it's the dub But I am pretty experienced with video/audio editing, and I can tell you the order that I mixed the separate clips in if it helps!

In terms of your 16:9 ratio issue, there are plenty of tools you can use to crop the Dragon Box footage to 16:9, and mix it all together nicely.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

So, I've heard people talking about this on Twitter but just now saw this thread. I'm willing to help. But I'll be back here Thursday so, can't do anything until then.

I know lots of people have spoken about doing this in the past... I think Tanooki might have even done a rough-cut with FUNimation's English dub at some point...?

Yea. What I did was take every flashback I could find of the kid Vegeta, the Saiyans as they were on Vegeta, some Freeza/ Vegeta interactions from when Vegeta was still loyal to Freeza.... stuff like that. I wasn't sure where I was going with it at the time but seeing the clips, I realized I could probably make a Vegeta TV Special. In a nut shell it was basically some flashbacks of King Vegeta talking to kid Vegeta that eventually leads up to the scene where Freeza kills King Vegeta taking his throne, fast forward a few years and insert that half of an episode in the Freeza saga where Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz are talking about Freeza and the jobs they do for him. It ended up being about 20 - 25 minutes long.

This was the thread from 5 years ago...

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... 4357&hilit

Edit: Holy poopies! I didn't know I wrote down where each clip was from! This is a huge help! I probably subconsciously did that to help Future Tanooki! Thanks so much Tanooki from the past, thanks to you I can make this again! Not that I would use those DVD's anymore but at least I know what clips I used! This was sitting here for 5 years and I had no idea. I've been so pissed it's been gone and here it is, each clip I used. If I make this again, I'm totally crediting "Tanooki from the past".

Toei Logo - Movie 5 DVD

TV Special Logo - Bardock TV Special DVD

Scene 1: Vegeta and King Vegeta looking out of the space ship window - Trunks Prelude To Terror DVD (Episode: Z Warriors Prepare)

Scene 2: Vegeta learning his bad ways from his father - Freeza Death Of A Prince DVD (Episode: The End Of Vegeta)

Scene 3 - King Vegeta in his chambers - Freeza Transformation DVD (Episode: Fighting Power One Million)

Scene 4 - King Vegeta VS Frezza - Freeza Transformation DVD (Episode: Fighting Power One Million)

Scene 5 - Vegeta grown up reports back to Freeza - Freeza Fall Of A Tyrant DVD (Episode: Pathos Of Freeza)

Scene 6 - Vegeta outside Freeza's palace with Nappa And Raditz - Freeza Fall Of A Tyrant DVD (Episode: Pathos Of Frezza)

Scene 7 - Vegetas life on Earth - Kid Buu Saiyan Pride DVD (Episode: Vegetas Respect.)

Closing Credit Animation - DragonBall GT Proliferation DVD (Episode: The Attack On Vegeta)

[Sshadow5001]

This project sounds incredibly awesome. I Wish I could help but not sure how I could.

[DNA]

Holy penis! I totally forgot those bits with Vegeta and King Vegeta interacting, I'm sure that could be used at some point... in some way...

That Vegeta Special sounds like a really cool project, I would like to see that. The way I devised it though, it enables us to add even more small snippets making a bigger whole project.

Your project reminded me of some other ones I thought about like Piccolo's story, with young pseudo-Piccolo on earth and the Garlic bits and then Daimao fighting Mutaito. A Future Trunks one would also be kinda cool but I'm not too sure how any of these would work.

As an end note, you PM'd me, I always get spooked whenever one of you "old guys" PM's me, it's normally never anything good.

[VegettoEX]

Ugh. I'm thinking about this project as I'm drifting off to sleep. That's both a wonderful and absolutely terrible sign .

Busy editing stuff for work to launch next week, so I probably won't get around to actually splicing some footage together for this until next week. That being said, I'm still drafting up some ideas in my head for how to construct the thing.

Thankfully Herms has broken down a bunch of stuff to refer to, so combined with the timeline for the series, here are some ideas:

I'm going to break it up with a couple title cards that note which day it is. Black screens with some white text toward the bottom. Will try to match the font actually used in the Bardock TV special.

- The first one will probably just be something like "PROLOGUE". This is going to be a mishmash of Kaio explaining stuff from DBZ episode 20, possibly cutting out some of his contradictory narration (and video, such as the planet's god destroying it with meteors) into a musical montage with the rest of "Battle-Colored Warriors", as well as appropriate footage from episode 17, "Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans", and DBGT (will almost certainly be more of a musical montage unless they fit in nicely elsewhere during the narration). I'll take any other good shots, too, such as when Raditz is describing things to Goku in the first couple episodes (there's that fun shot of Vegeta & Co. receiving technology, or something...?). The stuff Tanooki's mentioning with Vegeta & his dad is really good stuff, and might work early on in this section, too, with a short series of fades before heading into the meat of it.

- The next might have to be pretty vague like "AGE 737"... but that's not particularly good enough, since we might have events all on different days. The Bardock special lumps it all together, so that might still work. Can we assume that King Vegeta's assault on Freeza happened the same day that Freeza blew up the planet? And that Goku was born that same day? Some of the collective events may be open to a little bit of interpretation, so maybe rather than settling on a specific day, I can use the general "AGE 737" and just have some appropriate fades/transitions to show when time is clearly passing in-between events, even if we can't decide whether or not they're happening within the same day. In a nutshell, this is going to basically be the "Bardock+" that was originally discussed -- essentially the Bardock TV special with splices of King Vegeta, Coola, and Broli where appropriate.

(I'd love to hear some recommendations like MetalMadness' stuff in terms of where to splice things. I'm sure it'll make logical sense once I start doing it, but if people have suggestions to toss out ahead of time, that'll speed things up. Having King Vegeta pretty immediately before Bardock begins his final assault makes sense.)

- Depending on how things play out with a couple versions of editing, I might do end credits the same place they happen in the Bardock TV special and then have "EPILOGUE" with Vegeta + Nappa + Raditz, or fade down to a new "day" title card (probably also just saying "EPILOGUE" unless we can get a date for when that happens), play it out, and then do end credits. Leaning toward the latter.

Will title the thing in Japanese and probably have Julian do his best Yanami impression to speak it aloud . I'm thinking something like: "Expanded History!! Fate of the Saiyan Race". That will probably be the only "original" audio in the entire thing. Will likely place after the prologue section. Might as well toss "HEAD-CHA-LA" in there, too .

Not entirely sure about including stuff about the old Super Saiyan legend. Depends on who's narrating it, what the footage looks like, if it makes sense to include anywhere...

I'll probably just use and slightly adjust Steve's scripts where appropriate. Probably tap Julian & Herms for a couple things from extra material like "Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans". But that's just translation stuff, and not really relevant to the actual video editing.

I'll need the most help identifying which exact stuff from DBGT to use. Episode numbers, approximate time codes, and what on Earth it is I'm looking at would be helpful! Some of this "Bebi drifting through space" stuff might be placed nicely within the "EPILOGUE" section.

[DNA]

I think this is the only bit of Saiyan history in GT:

Tsuful King and the Baby technology
Dragon Ball GT TV Series
Episode 27
Ambition Achieved!
Vegeta is Taken Over
18:34 to 19:35
Total: 1:01 minutes

This footage starts with the Saiyans arriving at Plant with Space Pods.
Cuts to Vegeta's face.
Comes back with the war.
At the very end, when the space capsule is flying off, I sugest adding a picture of baby in fade out.

I still say that the best place to put King Vegeta fighting Freeza is in place of the third eyecatch. From what I gathered, it looked like a secret mission that only the top elite Saiyans where aware. The third eyecatch starts when Bardock stops at the corridor to gather is breath and comes back with him barging into the Saiyan bar/canteen/wtv; right after that he goes on his solo attack on Freeza. So again, personally, I think this is the best place to put it.

Keep in mind that the King Vegeta bit is separated in two parts, one is the one I just described and the second one is Freeza requesting Vegeta, that one should be included at an earlier point because we're eventually shown Vegeta already working for Freeza, I also pinpointed the best place to put this one, in my opinion.

[VegettoEX]

I still say that the best place to put King Vegeta fighting Freeza is in place of the third eyecatch. From what I gathered, it looked like a secret mission that only the top elite Saiyans where aware. The third eyecatch starts when Bardock stops at the corridor to gather is breath and comes back with him barging into the Saiyan bar/canteen/wtv; right after that he goes on his solo attack on Freeza. So again, personally, I think this is the best place to put it.

Keep in mind that the King Vegeta bit is separated in two parts, one is the one I just described and the second one is Freeza requesting Vegeta, that one should be included at an earlier point because we're eventually shown Vegeta already working for Freeza, I also pinpointed the best place to put this one, in my opinion.

I was thinking the same thing, myself. I'd rather splice some footage in there to get around an otherwise-awkward edit around the eyecatch, so having that footage there makes sense -- King Vegeta MUST attack Freeza before Bardock does, so having him do so while Bardock's busy trying to get comrades to come with him makes sense.

(I think FUNimation edited around the first Bardock eyecatch perfectly, and I'll probably do the same thing -- it goes to the exact same frames of Bardock attacking and into "Solid State Scouter", so there's no issue here.)

[DNA]

I think FUNimation edited around the first Bardock eyecatch perfectly, and I'll probably do the same thing -- it goes to the exact same frames of Bardock attacking and into "Solid State Scouter", so there's no issue here.

That's actually the second eyecatch. The first eyecatch... I can't really remember when it actually is but it is an awkward transition, and that's exactly why I suggested putting Paragus appealing to King Vegeta, especially because it makes it look like Paragus is begging to keep Broly to help at a future attack against Freeza, when Broly grows up that is, something King Vegeta was already thinking about because at this point his son is already in Freeza's hands.

[MetalMadness]

Here's the order that I had in terms of the splicing:

1. First scene is of Goku's birth and being examined by the doctors as a low-class Saiyan baby, the beginning of the Bardock Special.

2. Right after this scene, I put in the scene of King Vegeta executing that Saiyan and then Freeza coming in to ask for Vegeta.

3. When that scene ends, I then placed the scene on Planet Kanassa. This scene ends right when Bardock is knocked out.

4. After this, I put in the scene of Goku and Broly crying in the chamber. I thought it was placed well here because it is clear that one night passes from the Kanassa assault, which is enough time for the Doctors to transfer Goku to that Baby Chamber. Also, the scene before this ends with a fade out, which makes the transition to this scene seem smoother.

5. After the Goku and Broly scene, I then placed the scene of Vegeta's killing of the Saibamen. This scene ends right when Freeza gives Vegeta a mission, and we see Freeza smiling.

6. After this, I put in the scene of Paragus running to the King to spare Broly. The scene ends with Paragus and Broly thrown aside.

7. The next scene would be Bardock in the recovery chamber. There is no more splicing all the way up until Bardock deciding to confront Freeza and flying up towards his spaceship.

8. As bardock flies to Freeza's spaceship, the camera pans to show Freeza inside. I thought this was a great way to start off the scene of King Vegeta's assault on Freeza. The scene ends with Freeza killing King Vegeta.

9. Next scene is Bardock's assault, and it gets a little tricky here. I spliced the video right at the part where we see Freeza's "Death Ball" enter the planet, and a bunch of cracks spreading around the planet.

10. This is where I inserted the scene of Broly suddenly awakening and harnessing his power, floating upwards while holding his father. Then, I show the planet exploding from the Bardock special perspective, and then, I show Broly and Paragus floating in the sphere among the debris. It looks pretty seamless because first the planet is shown to be exploding, then we see Freeza laughing at his spaceship commenting about the "fireworks," and then we see Broly in his sphere among the debris.

11. Right after this we see Goku's pod flying, and Bardock "speaking" to him. The scene ends with Goku flying off to Earth.

12. Next scene is Cooler's scene in his spaceship. It does seem a bit redundant because Cooler is watching Freeza blow up the planet in that scene, but I thought it felt really out of place if I randomly placed Cooler's scene in the middle of the explosion. It flowed better when it was already done.

13. Next scene is Goku meeting Grandpa Gohan.

14. FINAL scene is Vegeta being informed that his planet was destroyed. Now #13 and 14 can be exchanged, depending on what you prefer as an end. Goku with Gohan is obviously a more hopeful, happy ending, while Vegeta being informed is much different take.


Anyway, that's how I set up the scenes, I hope it helped you guys.

[VegettoEX]

All right...! So, I set a DVD to rip last night just to get started on hoarding footage for myself, and I got a little carried away -- I ended up just getting all the footage I needed, period, by this afternoon. I'm slightly obsessed with this idea, now.

I'm going to break down (with pretty pictures!) all of the footage I have and what I tentatively plan on doing with it. Special thanks go out to Tanooki for reminding me of some of those random little Vegeta shots, Kaboom for looking up some episode numbers, and MetalMadness for that previous post with awesome scene-placement suggestions along with DNA for suggestions and scene reminders. Footage is just listed chronologically, not necessarily where it relates to placement in this feature.

BASIS OF THE FEATURE:
The Bardock TV special. That pretty much goes without saying at this point. I don't think I need to say where this one's going... err... 'cuz it just kinda "is".

DBZ TV: EARLY RADITZ STUFF



Didn't note which episodes these came from, sorry. I think it's 2 & 3. Anyway, the first three shots are from a quick Raditz thingie, and the second set of five are from Raditz explaining the fate of the Saiyan race to Goku. These will likely end up as buffer footage for a continued montage in the beginning of the feature. Not everything in here will likely be used, but it's good to have.



Kame-Sen'nin explaining to Goku that he's actually an alien, how Gohan found him, etc. Not really much animation in here, but can be good for fleshing out the end of the feature.

DBZ TV: EPISODE 17


Again, unlikely to be used, but there are a couple random shots of dead folks with scouters that might act as nice transition pieces in a musical montage.

DBZ TV: EPISODE 20


Meat and potatoes of the opening prologue. When Goku speaks, I'll fade down to just the song -- we'll pretend it's just the narrator talking. I'll likely cut it before Kaio gets in to talking about how the God of the planet destroyed it with meteors, and will instead move into some of the other imagery presented here in this thread. Will continue on with "Battle-Colored Warriors" and other footage until we're ready to fade it down and get into the Bardock special proper.

Watching the scene again, it is visually interrupted just once (cutting back to Goku listening), right before Kaio explains that soon the Saiyans took off into space. I can play with the visuals in here with adding in some of the other stuff I'll be listing. It cuts back to Goku saying how awful it all was PERFECTLY right before Kaio goes into talking about the planet's god, so from there I'll likely just fade up into the full song and continue with more footage of the Saiyans destroying shit.

DBZ TV: EPISODE 62


Vegeta's random hallway encounter with Gurd (it's a flashback Gurd has after they arrive on Namek). As has been noted, the big problem here is that Vegeta's wearing the entirely wrong type of armor. Not particularly sure where to place this. Got a couple ideas. Open to more.

DBZ TV: EPISODE 78


First bit from this episode to use. I'll likely use MetalMadness' suggestion of placing it before the scene on Kanassa.



This one's pretty self-explanatory, I think. The scene in the TV episode literally transitions right into Freeza hovering up above the ship to fire down at Bardock, so it'll get spliced in appropriately.

DBZ TV: EPISODE 86


A couple short, extra, buffer scenes. Likely use in the continue opening prologue montage.

DBZ TV: EPISODE 104


Kinda two parts to this. The opening stuff might be nice buffer for elsewhere, but it's related to what comes next... so it might just get tossed on the cutting room floor. The stuff with Raditz + Nappa + Vegeta will be in the "epilogue", since it's clearly long-past the point of the planet's destruction. That shot at the end of Vegeta looking up is really nice...! There's an eyecatch during the scene, but it'll be easy to edit around -- it picks up cold afterward with Nappa talking.

DBZ TV: EPISODE 124


An ending section to Vegeta's hallucination (the one with SSJ Goku & SSJ Trunks). Since it's all dream-like with the border, not sure what I can do with these quick shots. They're there if I need them.

DBZ MOVIE 5


Again, should be fairly obvious. Inter-spliced as Freeza destroys the planet.

DBZ MOVIE 8


Couple quick shots of the babies. Will likely use in an appropriate place after Bardock rushes away from seeing him there with a low battle power.



Maybe Paragus can rush in after the other dude gets killed from the earlier DBZ TV episode...? Broli and his dad rising up into the sky will be somewhere during the planet's explosion, of course.

PLAN TO ERADICATE THE SAIYANS


Extra buffer footage for the Saiyans taking over the Tsufurians.



It's an entirely different voice and musical score, so Raichi's babbling will be cut out. Footage will be used elsewhere in the musical montage. NOTE: This is the first scientist shooting crap into the sky!

DBGT: EPISODE 27


Again, wrong person talking (Bebi) and music... so it'll get used in the same places/ways as Raichi's stuff. NOTE: This is the second scientist shooting crap into the sky!

[JulieYBM]

Incredible outline. This is coming together quite nicely, I just have to wonder how the jump between animation teams is going to look...not to mention the audio splicing.

[VegettoEX]

Eh, the animation is what it is. It'll be jarring in some places, I'm sure... but it's either "This looks slightly jarring" or "This special doesn't exist", so...

Not too concerned with the audio mixing . I'll make sure it's awesome in every way it can be. Only thing that'll annoy me is color-correcting the OVA footage.

[JulieYBM]

Just had a quick idea: with Julian 'Yanami-ing it up' being on the table...what would the chances be of adding a sort of 'tying up' of the Saiyans' story (or at least the conflict with Freeza) by a montage and/or narration to the epilogue? It wouldn't be totally unlike the montages at the end of the Trunks special, I'd suspect.

Not too concerned with the audio mixing . I'll make sure it's awesome in every way it can be.

The anime does make use of a lot of silence, so I guess one should necessarily be fearful of audio issues. Still, it's something I think I'll get a sick sense of satifaction out of trying to piece together any splicing issues.

[VegettoEX]

I'll be doing ending credits a la the specials and movies where it moves up to the upper-left. Probably stick with "Hikari no Tabi" in a similar way to the Bardock special and just replace what scenes play up there.

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure about the "epilogue" stuff, since I don't want it to end with the song and then still have stuff to show (I'm imagining a convention setting where people will just get up and leave when the song starts). I dunno. We'll see how it goes.

I'd rather there not be any original audio other than a new title card announcement. Depends on what other people think, though. I'm open to whatever.

[DNA]

DBZ TV: EPISODE 104

Kinda two parts to this. The opening Tsufurian stuff will be nice buffer for the beginning. The stuff with Raditz + Nappa + Vegeta will be in the "epilogue", since it's clearly long-past the point of the planet's destruction. That shot at the end of Vegeta looking up is really nice...! There's an eyecatch during the scene, but it'll be easy to edit around -- it picks up cold afterward with Nappa talking.

I don't think those are supposed to be Tsufurians... I think they're supposed to be Shirt...ians. The whole scene leads me to believe Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta conquered the planet and then went to report to Freeza. There's nothing about Tsufurians in that bit.

Also I thought I helped a bit with ideas, scene placing, episode numbers and timing of the footage... Dunno if I deserve any thanks for that.

[VegettoEX]

I don't think those are supposed to be Tsufurians... I think they're supposed to be Shirt...ians. The whole scene leads me to believe Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta conquered the planet and then went to report to Freeza. There's nothing about Tsufurians in that bit.

Ah, you're right. Guess I got so used to typing their names out in everything else! Ah, well. So maybe I won't necessarily use that beginning footage of them, but will cut to just the Vegeta & Co. stuff.

Also I thought I helped a bit with ideas, scene placing, episode numbers and timing of the footage... Dunno if I deserve any thanks for that.

You're right... my bad!

[DNA]

I don't think those are supposed to be Tsufurians... I think they're supposed to be Shirt...ians. The whole scene leads me to believe Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta conquered the planet and then went to report to Freeza. There's nothing about Tsufurians in that bit.

Ah, you're right. Guess I got so used to typing their names out in everything else! Ah, well. So maybe I won't necessarily use that beginning footage of them, but will cut to just the Vegeta & Co. stuff.

Well by all means use it, it still looks cool and why not use it? It shows their actual mission before they report about it.

Also I thought I helped a bit with ideas, scene placing, episode numbers and timing of the footage... Dunno if I deserve any thanks for that.

You're right... my bad! :D

Heh... cheers anyway dude. It seems you're so excited about it that you're just concentrating on it. It's fine.

[VegettoEX]

So I've basically edited the entirety of the within-the-Bardock-special stuffage already. That took... all of one evening.



MetalMadness's outline was extremely helpful. I think I've used pretty much all of the suggestions there, with a couple of my own tweaks (such as replacing a couple quick shots as the blasts hit the planet, and how I incorporate Broli taking off into the sky with his dad). I'm going to do a little bit of audio fakery in there and probably re-use some of little Gohan's cries at some point to add some extra SFX as Broli screams up into the sky. It just doesn't match without a bit of crying mixed in (the original SFX from that scene won't work mixed overtop the regular Bardock special music + SFX).

I've also successfully edited the ending BGM (which is interestingly also the closing BGM from DBZ movie 1) into a CD version of itself, which lets me close that scene out without going directly into "Hikari no Tabi" -- this is important because, as I was talking about earlier, I want to fade down and transition into the "EPILOGUE" section without hitting ending credits yet.

Ended up going with a straight center-crop of the widescreen Dragon Box movies. FUNi's 4:3 singles look far too craptacular mixed in with the rest of the Dragon Box source material, mixing in letterbox with 4:3 looks ridiculous... and since they're all so short and already horizontally-center-framed, it ended up being the least of all evils.

The Bardock special originally runs ~48 minutes (that includes its opening preview and closing theme, though). Right now, WITH an opening theme and WITHOUT a closing theme, it runs about 53 minutes. This does not yet include the opening montage with Kaio's/Narrator's explanation of the race (plus extra musical montage with the extra footage), nor does it include the (what I'm still calling) "EPILOGUE" section with Raditz + Nappa + Vegeta.

So onward to that opening section...!

(What would be really helpful right now is if someone could extract/OCR the FUNimation subtitles from the Bardock special for me... the rest of the stuff I've already just re-typed since it's so short...)

(I could also use some more no-BGM bits of baby crying from the series... don't have enough / the right ones mixed in here...)

[JulieYBM]

Wow, that sounds...dare I say 'exciting'?

Now that I think about it, didn't the film LDs seperate the voice tracks from the music and sound effects (or was that voices and effect seperate from the music)? Is so, wouldn't it be possible to acquire some of Broli's baby cries?

[VegettoEX]

Duuuuuuuuur. kei17 already gave me that file on the last page X_X;;.

So... uhh... I have what I need, there! Perfect!