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Post by TheGreatness25 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:04 pm

Some really minor things that I noticed are that Piccolo is already on Roshi's island before Raditz leaves and he kind of comes out from behind the Kame House, while in the anime, he's floating in the air. When Gohan and Kuririn find Bulma after Goku arrives on Namek and beats ReaCoom, Butta, and Jeice is also different (because in the anime, Bulma was chased around by dinosaurs and whatnot, so it's different). Even when Gohan, Kuririn, and Vegeta take the Dragon Ball from Bulma when they were ready to fight the Ginyu Special Corps, in the anime she has it tied around her foot, but in the manga she doesn't. It's the little tiny things like that, but I notice them.

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Post by KiddoCabbusses » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:43 pm

Puto wrote:Freeza never said that Saiyans can't survive in outer space. What he said was "I can survive in space, but I don't know about a Saiyan ape like you." Note the "don't know" part. He doesn't know. People just seem to constantly interprete that wrong, god knows why.
In that case... unfortunately that just muddles things more.
In the Bardock special, he -saw- Bardock. -floating in space-. And he obviously remembers Bardock enough to have Goku bring back memories.
"Oh, yeah, Goku, I totally remember your daddy. Yeah, his face was so vivid as I blew up that home planet o' yours. Ah, wait? Floating in space? Huh? How could I possibly know that? I was, like, all the way in my space pod, far away from the planet!... What do you mean I shouldn't be able to memorize a face from that distance?!"

This is kinda more humorous than it should be.

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Sun May 01, 2011 2:13 am

Hey, OBVIOUSLY planet Vegeta's atmosphere extended outside of the planet and was different than Earth's, so the layer of oxygen that is like a circumference to the planet is not visible. DUH, anyone would know that :-P

Then there was Vegeta blowing up Arlia in the anime :-/

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Post by Fox666 » Sun May 01, 2011 3:12 am

You won't die instantly in space.

Besides, a height which you can see the stars isn't necessarily out of oxigen.

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Post by violadude » Sun May 01, 2011 4:11 am

Well since we don't know everything there is to know about Saiya-jin biology then it is possible that a Saiya-jin's lungs have evolved so that they can hold more oxygen for a longer amount of time than human lungs can. I mean since they're a warrior race it makes sense. Being able keep oxygenated for a long amount of time is important when you are being really active. That's my theory anyway.

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Post by coola » Sun May 01, 2011 4:39 am

-Yamcha easily beat up Olibu,same guy who fought evenly with Paikuhan,does it mean,that Yamcha is stronger than Perfect Cell? :roll:
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun May 01, 2011 6:42 am

I don't know whether this could be considered a plothole/inconsistency, but here goes. After fighting Goku for a little bit, Freeza says this:
Chapter: 309 (DBZ 115), P3.2-3
Freeza: “You seem far stronger than I thought. I’m a little surprised. To think that there was someone in this world above Captain Ginyu…But you’re no match for me.”
Basically, he didn't think that there was anyone in the world stronger than Ginyu. Wouldn't this, perhaps, contradict King Cold's power? Although, then again, there's nothing that really says King Cold can't be weaker than Ginyu.
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Re: Anime Filler Plot-holes/Inconcestencies

Post by Puto » Sun May 01, 2011 10:19 am

KiddoCabbusses wrote:
Puto wrote:Freeza never said that Saiyans can't survive in outer space. What he said was "I can survive in space, but I don't know about a Saiyan ape like you." Note the "don't know" part. He doesn't know. People just seem to constantly interprete that wrong, god knows why.
In that case... unfortunately that just muddles things more.
In the Bardock special, he -saw- Bardock. -floating in space-. And he obviously remembers Bardock enough to have Goku bring back memories.
"Oh, yeah, Goku, I totally remember your daddy. Yeah, his face was so vivid as I blew up that home planet o' yours. Ah, wait? Floating in space? Huh? How could I possibly know that? I was, like, all the way in my space pod, far away from the planet!... What do you mean I shouldn't be able to memorize a face from that distance?!"

This is kinda more humorous than it should be.
Well, if I recall correctly, Gokū can survive without breathing for about 20 minutes. It's not much of a stretch to assume that Bardock would be able to, too. He certainly took less than 20 minutes to go to outer space and get killed by Freeza.
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Post by Fox666 » Sun May 01, 2011 11:59 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:I don't know whether this could be considered a plothole/inconsistency, but here goes. After fighting Goku for a little bit, Freeza says this:
Chapter: 309 (DBZ 115), P3.2-3
Freeza: “You seem far stronger than I thought. I’m a little surprised. To think that there was someone in this world above Captain Ginyu…But you’re no match for me.”
Basically, he didn't think that there was anyone in the world stronger than Ginyu. Wouldn't this, perhaps, contradict King Cold's power? Although, then again, there's nothing that really says King Cold can't be weaker than Ginyu.
Yes there is. In many instances Cold's power was mentioned as if it was comparable to Freeza.

Tenshinhan: “It…it’s not just one…There’s another absurdly large ki…”
Gohan: “Ku-Kuririn-san, did you notice it!? F-Freeza and ano-another large ki that resembles Freeza…!!”
Yamcha: “Wh-what are you going to do when you get closer?...!! They’re un-unbelievable monsters, aren’t they? An…and there are two of them!! It…it’s hopeless, isn’t it...?!!”


Also the Daizenshuu describes him compared to Freeza as "somewhat inferior".

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Post by KiddoCabbusses » Sun May 01, 2011 12:47 pm

I don't know if this would clarify it or not, but I think that in many instances "Ki" in Dragonball has some traits besides simply measuring someone's power which the characters can use to identify people. Thus, when they say King Cold's Ki "resembles" Freeza, they may mean that in the sense of the qualities besides his power.

(Otherwise, a large amount of the Ki sensing moments seem rather weird. Off the top of my head, for example, Gohan sensing Broli's ki in Movie 10 seems like it'd only really make sense if this logic applied,)

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Post by Makaioshin » Sun May 01, 2011 12:51 pm

Puto wrote:
KiddoCabbusses wrote:
Puto wrote:Freeza never said that Saiyans can't survive in outer space. What he said was "I can survive in space, but I don't know about a Saiyan ape like you." Note the "don't know" part. He doesn't know. People just seem to constantly interprete that wrong, god knows why.
In that case... unfortunately that just muddles things more.
In the Bardock special, he -saw- Bardock. -floating in space-. And he obviously remembers Bardock enough to have Goku bring back memories.
"Oh, yeah, Goku, I totally remember your daddy. Yeah, his face was so vivid as I blew up that home planet o' yours. Ah, wait? Floating in space? Huh? How could I possibly know that? I was, like, all the way in my space pod, far away from the planet!... What do you mean I shouldn't be able to memorize a face from that distance?!"

This is kinda more humorous than it should be.
Well, if I recall correctly, Gokū can survive without breathing for about 20 minutes. It's not much of a stretch to assume that Bardock would be able to, too. He certainly took less than 20 minutes to go to outer space and get killed by Freeza.
He was also talking. In space.

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Post by Fox666 » Sun May 01, 2011 1:16 pm

Things also were exploding in space :lol:
KiddoCabbusses wrote:I don't know if this would clarify it or not, but I think that in many instances "Ki" in Dragonball has some traits besides simply measuring someone's power which the characters can use to identify people. Thus, when they say King Cold's Ki "resembles" Freeza, they may mean that in the sense of the qualities besides his power.

(Otherwise, a large amount of the Ki sensing moments seem rather weird. Off the top of my head, for example, Gohan sensing Broli's ki in Movie 10 seems like it'd only really make sense if this logic applied,)
I agree to some extend. I think it's strongly plausible that "resembles" refers to a certain peculiarity (the same way they can tell Cell uses Goku & Co. cells purely based on Ki).

However there are many references to the size of the two powers. So Cold should be somewhat in a level close to Freeza.

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Post by rereboy » Mon May 02, 2011 7:22 am

If Cold was that much inferior to Freeza he would never think that he could kill Trunks even with the help of his sword.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon May 02, 2011 7:35 am

rereboy wrote:If Cold was that much inferior to Freeza he would never think that he could kill Trunks even with the help of his sword.
Not that I necessarily think that King Cold's weaker than Ginyu, but King Cold did think that the sword was the only reason Trunks could kill Freeza and said that, without his sword, he was nothing.
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Post by Fionordequester » Mon May 02, 2011 1:35 pm

Ergh, I think you may be giving King Cold a little too much credit. Frieza's family don't exactly seem to be very level-headed, rational beings when confronted with the possibility of someone being stronger than them.
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Post by SuperForteX » Tue May 03, 2011 9:42 am

KiddoCabbusses wrote:I don't know if this would clarify it or not, but I think that in many instances "Ki" in Dragonball has some traits besides simply measuring someone's power which the characters can use to identify people. Thus, when they say King Cold's Ki "resembles" Freeza, they may mean that in the sense of the qualities besides his power.

(Otherwise, a large amount of the Ki sensing moments seem rather weird. Off the top of my head, for example, Gohan sensing Broli's ki in Movie 10 seems like it'd only really make sense if this logic applied,)
Of course it does. Thanks to Toriyama's words in Super Exciting Guide, we now know there is a lot more to ki than simple energy.

Ki is composed of Genki, Bravery, and Character. I think the latter two especially would personalize one's ki and make it feel unique from others, aside from just the level of strength.

Also Goku was able to seek out Bulma's ki in the Buu saga, when presumably she's just as strong as most other regular humans.

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Post by rereboy » Tue May 03, 2011 12:03 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
rereboy wrote:If Cold was that much inferior to Freeza he would never think that he could kill Trunks even with the help of his sword.
Not that I necessarily think that King Cold's weaker than Ginyu, but King Cold did think that the sword was the only reason Trunks could kill Freeza and said that, without his sword, he was nothing.
Nah, I believe he thought that it was the only way Trunks could have killed Freeza.

Without it, Freeza would win and so would he. Trunks wouldn't be weak, he just couldn't possibly win agaisnt Freeza, the strongest in the universe, or his father, without the advantage of the sword. Which is typical of these type of villain.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed May 04, 2011 1:43 pm

rereboy wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:
rereboy wrote:If Cold was that much inferior to Freeza he would never think that he could kill Trunks even with the help of his sword.
Not that I necessarily think that King Cold's weaker than Ginyu, but King Cold did think that the sword was the only reason Trunks could kill Freeza and said that, without his sword, he was nothing.
Nah, I believe he thought that it was the only way Trunks could have killed Freeza.

Without it, Freeza would win and so would he. Trunks wouldn't be weak, he just couldn't possibly win agaisnt Freeza, the strongest in the universe, or his father, without the advantage of the sword. Which is typical of these type of villain.
Yeah, I know. I was replying to your comment that if King Cold was that much inferior, then he would never think that he could kill Trunks, even with the help of his sword. And I replied that King Cold only thought that Trunks killed Freeza because of his sword. Basically, whether or not he was weaker than Ginyu, he thought that Trunks was powerless without his sword. The most impressive thing that Trunks had done without his sword at that time was knock off Freeza's soldiers.
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Sat May 14, 2011 10:56 pm

One that I would like to bring up is all the planets that got blown up by Buu that they stated "could be brought back by the Dragon Balls, but never were.
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Post by Cipher » Sat May 14, 2011 11:26 pm

coola wrote:-It`s been said,that if you die when you already dead,you dissappear completely,then why it didnt happen,when villains escaped from hell in GT?
All the ones who escaped Hell are technically alive again. That's why they reappear at Enma Daiou's once they're killed again. The same thing happens (presumably) in Movie 12. Although it's even more confusing there, because Freeza and the rest of the villains appear to be alive, while other people come back as ghosts, etc.

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