Ever proven that (X) Buu is weaker/stronger than (Y) Buu?

[rereboy]

Its his interpretation of what the text suggests. If you disagree, you disagree and you may say why you disagree. But like he didn't have to say "absolutely South Kaioshin DID make Buu stronger, and here's the proof according to my opinion which is not fact and you may agree with it or not" you also don't have to say something like that when you are disagreeing. Its implied.

If you check my post I did pretty much the same thing, only I was careful enough to say "to me", "in my opinion" and bla, bla, bla, even though I shouldn't have to.

Personally, I think that what he meant was that the whole dialog between the Kaioshins implies that Buu only became weaker after absorbing Dai Kaioshin because Kaioshin says that he first absorbed South Kaioshin and he became Buff Buu, at which moment he states nothing about Buu losing power with this particular absorption, and only then does he mention that he later on also absorbed Dai Kaioshin and, as a consequence, became weaker and less dangerous somehow. Adamant should have put the whole dialog because, in my opinion, only the whole dialog, as a whole, is capable of suggesting that South Kaioshin didn't make Buu weaker.
But, besides that, I even agree with his opinion, because, if Buu lost power absorbing South Kaioshin, its my opinion that Kaioshin would have mentioned that fact when he was talking about how Buu absorbed South Kaioshin and what he became after absorbing him. But he only mentions that when he tells us that Buu, later on, absorbed Dai Kaioshin, which makes me believe that it was a freak side effect of absorbing Dai Kaioshin, and Dai Kaioshin only.

[Fox666]

If you make a wrong statement, you probably will get corrected

How deliciously arrogant of you. Ok, then, you leave me with no choice. We're doing this.

Well, I am sorry if it you get offended. I am just saying that if someone argue against you, it's not a conspiracy, it's just normal to happen.

Besides, it was explained that the reason why the power decreased after absorbing the Dai Kaioshin was because he was a good being.

You're saying South Kaioshin wasn't a good being? Nor was Gohan for that matter?

It was stated in the manga that was the reason. It doesn't matter if you think it's logic or not. When it comes to Majin Boo, it's just magic.

Goku stated "We should have fused, then this'd be easy! I shouldn't have destroyed those Potara.. I was acting too cool," in regards to Kid Buu. It's you that've thrown that away, while I threw nothing away.

In other words, Goku underestimated Pure Boo. Still that same guy feared Evil Boo?

You're saying a Buu with more people in him is the strongest, so Evil Buu is stronger than Pure Buu. Yet Bulky Buu is stronger than Evil Buu with only one person in him. How does this work?

Phew, I didn't get what you don't understand. I will try to be as clear as possible

Majin Boo (+10) = 10
Majin Boo (+10) + South Kaioshin (+10) = 20
Majin Boo (+10) + South Kaioshin (+10) + Dai Kaioshin (-15) = 5

And for Evil Boo, it goes like this:
Majin Boo (+10) + Majin Boo (+10) + South Kaioshin (+10) + Dai Kaioshin (-15) = 15

What's so hard to understand?

Or the bulky Boo didn't had just the South Kaioshin inside him, but also another Majin Boo, since he gradually lost his parts.

I don't understand this. Can you please explain?

It's not important. It's just an alternative to explain the above, however it's not necessary for now.

While this is true, I stated in my post that this supposed precedent started in the second half of the manga, meaning this doesn't apply.

The manga doesn't diff beetween the parts, like the anime does. If we go by the manga, the "second half" (aka mature part) started at Piccolo Daimao saga. And even if that was the case, Freeza isn't exactly "small" when he uses 100% of his power.

Vegeta's still Vegeta. Kid Buu and Super Buu are pretty much different characters in that regard. Which brings me to your next statement:

They are not. He changed his personality, but still is the same being.

Buu doesn't seem to think so. "Don't pull him out! I won't be me anymore!"

Isn't that a little far-fetched? When Goku or Gohan transforms in Oozarus they aren't themselves anymore, or at least in that poethic sense.

They could have used the Potara... that alone makes it sort of anti-climatic

They destroyed it prior to Buu appearing in Kaioshin-Kai.

Still anti-climatic...

Yet later when Goku appears, Buu doesn't say "this guy is weak", instead he says "It's the guy with the forms! You do realize I'm different than before, right?" As in he's saying Goku is a dangerous threat, if not for the fact that he, too, is tottally different from before.

I don't get your point. These are the memories of the moment Goku fought the fat Majin Boo, who was in fact weaker than Goku.

However, when it comes to Gotenks or Gohan-absorbed Evil Boo, Goku was begging to him, not to forget he actually transformed in Super Saiyan 3 against him in one occasion.

Games are still official licensed media. Why didn't you make comment about Toei's anime stating Kid Buu is stronger though?

Fillers are full of inconsistencies, ignoring pre-estabilished facts in the manga. I don't have anything else to add here. And Videogames also commit mistakes.

No, that's not at all true. You can prove me wrong about stuff we know to be fact. Like the Saibamen having a power level of about 1,200.

The Daizenshuu states that the Saibaiman battle power change depending of the soil quality which the Earth had a good one.

Of course the Daizenshuu is rather a strong source of information, a little different of plenty of your premises in this discussion, so that's the flaw in my analogy here.

Because Nappa said so. This is what we call a 'fact' for this manga.

It's ironic for you to say that, since you seems to have ignored manga "facts".

Anyone arguing that the Saibamen were secretly stronger than Nappa and vegeta

Or arguing that Pure Boo was stronger than Evil Boo... or at least that's how people are looking at you.

Same can be said for Goku's hair being orange. Goku's hair is depicted as black, in the color chapters too, so we know it is not orange. So if you said Goku's hair was orange, you are wrong.

He can tint his hair, it could simply be a very dark tone of orange, it could be that Toriyama is color-blind, there is an unlimited amount of mumbo jumbo explanations. And essentially this is somewhat the path you are following while arguing that Pure Boo is stronger than Evil Boo.

[VegettoEX]

That's absolutely enough with the one line back-and-forth responses. That's not a conversation -- that's nonsense.

SuperForteX, you have still done absolutely nothing but be combative, argumentative past the point of reason, and borderline rude. You don't seem to be willing to have a genuine conversation at all. Each and every response is filled with a rushed sense of disdain for your fellow fans, and I simply will not tolerate it further ("How deliciously arrogant of you" -- seriously?).

This thread, and this subject in particular, is precisely why such a large portion of the community generally frowns upon these vague battle power/comparison discussions. It inevitably degenerates into poorly-phrased insults, long strings of one-line responses, and loose analogies that stray further and further away from the source material supposedly being discussed.

I'm fully convinced that no-one's actually ever wanted to have a conversation about the strength of each form of Buu in comparison with each other form and arrive at a consensus about which one is... I dunno... stronger? Every time I've seen it, someone comes in with a preconception, and any time someone tosses in even the most remote point to the contrary, it's met with laughter and a holier-than-thou attitude as if their petty words are not even worth dignifying. I mean, I'm watching SuperForteX describe this... and then go on to do it himself!

Remember what community you're trying to be a part of. You are the ones who agreed to it prior to registration. If you can't be super-shonen in your journeys here, please find another community to be a part of.

I don't see how or why this is so difficult.