What Would You Have Added/Changed?

[Attitudefan]

I would have Freeza died after his fight with Goku and had King Cold have a major role. I always like King Cold and I never like that he had a small role.

They really did drop the ball with that one. Cold could have been the next villain?

[Saiga]

I would have Freeza died after his fight with Goku and had King Cold have a major role. I always like King Cold and I never like that he had a small role.

They really did drop the ball with that one. Cold could have been the next villain?

That would contradict Freeza being the strongest in the universe.

In contrast to two of the users here, I would've gotten rid of any dirty humor involving nudity, or fanservice, especially regarding women.

I always disliked the idea of humor like this because it encourages an attitude toward sex that I always believed to be unhealthy, that is the idea that porn or anything else there for the sake of turning you on is not unhealthy in any way. I believe it makes it so that the sexual urges that burn at so many people are even worse and plague you even more constantly than it does already, and also weakens your willpower and ability to maintain control over your feelings...

Even disregarding that, I always found Roshi's behavior in some of the Anime filler to be really creepy. The only reason it's funny is because the women he grabs at are strong, fiery women who beat him up for it, but just imagine if it was someone more timid he was acting that way towards? And while we're on that subject, I also dislike how much the Anime seems to play up the absolute worst characteristics of the side characters. We never see Bulma consider abandoning her friends on Namek for example.

But that's just my opinion. Also, I would've removed the more ridiculous gag elements from Gotenk's fight with Super Buu, given that the time for gags and humor is NOT immediately after the villain murders most of the last few people that the hero loves, including Chi Chi and Bulma.

Finally, I would've had Goku and Vegeta not be so idiotic in crushing the Potara Earrings, and instead would have it where they get destroyed either by accident, or by Majin Buu identifying them and destroying them.

And I agree with this wholeheartedly.

[DBZ Mick]

I would have Freeza died after his fight with Goku and had King Cold have a major role. I always like King Cold and I never like that he had a small role.

Not sure about the Cold part but I also agree that Freeza should have died on Namek.


I would have had Cell join the Z-Warriors!

[Kuririn Of Orin]

In contrast to two of the users here, I would've gotten rid of any dirty humor involving nudity, or fanservice, especially regarding women.

I always disliked the idea of humor like this because it encourages an attitude toward sex that I always believed to be unhealthy, that is the idea that porn or anything else there for the sake of turning you on is not unhealthy in any way. I believe it makes it so that the sexual urges that burn at so many people are even worse and plague you even more constantly than it does already, and also weakens your willpower and ability to maintain control over your feelings...

Even disregarding that, I always found Roshi's behavior in some of the Anime filler to be really creepy. The only reason it's funny is because the women he grabs at are strong, fiery women who beat him up for it, but just imagine if it was someone more timid he was acting that way towards?.

It seems to me you've taken it to seriously. I never thought it encouraged that type of attitude towards sex as much as it tried to show how unhealthy it actually was.

[Perfect]

I would have Freeza died after his fight with Goku and had King Cold have a major role. I always like King Cold and I never like that he had a small role.

Not sure about the Cold part but I also agree that Freeza should have died on Namek.


I would have had Cell join the Z-Warriors!

YES. Cell as a good guy as a million possibilities.

[Fionordequester]

In contrast to two of the users here, I would've gotten rid of any dirty humor involving nudity, or fanservice, especially regarding women.

I always disliked the idea of humor like this because it encourages an attitude toward sex that I always believed to be unhealthy, that is the idea that porn or anything else there for the sake of turning you on is not unhealthy in any way. I believe it makes it so that the sexual urges that burn at so many people are even worse and plague you even more constantly than it does already, and also weakens your willpower and ability to maintain control over your feelings...

Even disregarding that, I always found Roshi's behavior in some of the Anime filler to be really creepy. The only reason it's funny is because the women he grabs at are strong, fiery women who beat him up for it, but just imagine if it was someone more timid he was acting that way towards?.

It seems to me you've taken it to seriously. I never thought it encouraged that type of attitude towards sex as much as it tried to show how unhealthy it actually was.

Well, you could probably interpret the Master Roshi scenes in the anime that way. But I was more talking about scenes like, say, in Dragon Ball, where we actually see Bulma topless and other such stuff.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Again, you're taking it too seriously. They're just gags. This isn't supposed to be some kind of gritty adult manga where some elderly man gets convicted on multiple sexual harassment charges on a 16-year-old girl. It's a Shonen manga intended at young boys, who, if they are sane and have had good upbringings, aren't going to go out, motorboat a random woman's breasts and say, "I saw it in Dragon Ball, so it's OK! ".

And yeah, exactly, whenever Roushi tries any of that shit on, he's immediately reprimanded for it, on multiple occasions, violently. So I could even argue that it's teaching a good lesson to kids: "Don't perv on girls, or they'll smack you round the head for it!"

One or two brief scenes featuring Bulma's breasts is hardly pornography, and I doubt many people are going to be pulling themselves off over it (there's Rule 34 for that. ).

[Fionordequester]

And yeah, exactly, whenever Roushi tries any of that shit on, he's immediately reprimanded for it, on multiple occasions, violently. So I could even argue that it's teaching a good lesson to kids: "Don't perv on girls, or they'll smack you round the head for it!"

Yeah, but it still makes him seem immensely creepier than he otherwise would've seemed. For me, it really damages the character in the Anime (he's a perv in the manga of course, but I don't remember that side of him being as prominent).

One or two brief scenes featuring Bulma's breasts is hardly pornography, and I doubt many people are going to be pulling themselves off over it (there's Rule 34 for that. ).

por·nog·ra·phy   [pawr-nog-ruh-fee] Show IPA
noun
obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, especially those having little or no artistic merit.

Under that definition, I would argue that that does indeed count as pornography. But, since that is probably subjective, if you don't think it is, I can't really argue with that. But that's my stance on it.

[Piccolo Daimao]

And yeah, exactly, whenever Roushi tries any of that shit on, he's immediately reprimanded for it, on multiple occasions, violently. So I could even argue that it's teaching a good lesson to kids: "Don't perv on girls, or they'll smack you round the head for it!"

Yeah, but it still makes him seem immensely creepier than he otherwise would've seemed. For me, it really damages the character in the Anime (he's a perv in the manga of course, but I don't remember that side of him being as prominent).

To you, maybe. To me, no, because I understand that it's only a gag. It's not treated as serious as it would be in real-life. Oolong's just as perverted as Roushi, but he's merely portrayed as a horny little pig who doesn't get any pork. Try to realize that this is within the realm of Shonen manga, where stereotypes are turned up to 100% and no-one gets arrested for blackmailing schoolgirls into allowing them to fondle their breasts.

If it was a serious adult work, none of this would probably happen, but even if it did, there would be more serious repercussions than we got in the series. But since it's not serious and for kids, then there isn't.

And the anime always play up the characters' worst traits. Just look at Chi-Chi.

One or two brief scenes featuring Bulma's breasts is hardly pornography, and I doubt many people are going to be pulling themselves off over it (there's Rule 34 for that. ).

por·nog·ra·phy   [pawr-nog-ruh-fee] Show IPA
noun
obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, especially those having little or no artistic merit.

Under that definition, I would argue that that does indeed count as pornography. But, since that is probably subjective, if you don't think it is, I can't really argue with that. But that's my stance on it.

Yeah, I wouldn't class it as pornography. I guess I mean porn in the strictest sense of actual artwork or videos (intended to be played for quite some time) that are specifically designed to titillate. I doubt that Toriyama was deliberately drawing brief panels of Bulma's breasts to arouse young boys, most of whom being prepubescent.

And there is some porn that isn't obscene (obscenity being subjective anyway) and does has tasteful and/or artistic merit (some would even call it an art form), but that's another matter. Anyway, I'll end this little off-topic discussion with Wiktionary's description of pornography.

1. The explicit depiction of sexual subject matter, especially with the sole intention of sexually exciting the viewer. [from the mid-19th c.]
"What is pornography to one man, is the laughter of genius to another." by D.H. Lawrence as cited on page 10's "Confining the Pornography Dragon" by The Cambridge Law Journal in issue 1980.
2. (usually humorous) The graphic, detailed, often gratuitous depiction of something.
In The Four Pillars of Wisdom, he devotes a well-deserved chapter to the financial press and its weakness for "financial pornography"—lurid coverage of star money managers. (Seattle Times, Auhust 4, 2002)

[Master Blaster]

I would've added Lunch in the Z mangas (not just the anime). I wouldn't even care if she didn't hook up with Tenshinhan. As long as she was there in the background I would've been super happy.

I agree.

[Fox666]

One or two brief scenes featuring Bulma's breasts is hardly pornography, and I doubt many people are going to be pulling themselves off over it (there's Rule 34 for that. ).

por·nog·ra·phy   [pawr-nog-ruh-fee] Show IPA
noun
obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, especially those having little or no artistic merit.

Under that definition, I would argue that that does indeed count as pornography. But, since that is probably subjective, if you don't think it is, I can't really argue with that. But that's my stance on it.

But then comes the problem with that definition.

An obscenity is any statement or act which strongly offends the prevalent morality of the time, is a profanity, or is otherwise taboo, indecent, abhorrent, or disgusting, or is especially inauspicious.

[Michsi]

There is one thing I have always felt should have happened and that is Goku apologizing to Gohan for the Cell fiasco. I guess his death is meant to be his moment of redemption but I still feel like it really should have happened.

[Piccolo Daimao]

There is one thing I have always felt should have happened and that is Goku apologizing to Gohan for the Cell fiasco. I guess his death is meant to be his moment of redemption but I still feel like it really should have happened.

Gokuu never really seems to apologize or learn from his mistakes because they always miraculously end up working well in the end. So he probably wouldn't feel the need to apologize for putting his pacifist 9-year-old son in a torturous life-and-death battle, because Gohan wound up defeating Cell anyway. Ironically (or not), Gohan was the one who ended up apologizing for getting Gokuu killed.

[Saiga]

I'm calling bullshit on the pacifist part. That was the only time since he started fighting that he displayed that kind of attitude. Before that he wanted to fight.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I'm calling bullshit on the pacifist part. That was the only time since he started fighting that he displayed that kind of attitude. Before that he wanted to fight.

Well, you know what I mean. Although it is true that his pacifist moment was bullshit. Even in the Freeza arc, he still didn't hold back and struck out at enemies like the Ginyu Force and Freeza. And yet, in a battle that's even more important than those, he just lets himself get the shit beaten out of him without launching more than one kick.

[Master Blaster]

There is one thing I have always felt should have happened and that is Goku apologizing to Gohan for the Cell fiasco. I guess his death is meant to be his moment of redemption but I still feel like it really should have happened.

Yes, that's true. Goku really became a jerk in the Cell arc.

[Perfect]

I'm calling bullshit on the pacifist part. That was the only time since he started fighting that he displayed that kind of attitude. Before that he wanted to fight.

Well, you know what I mean. Although it is true that his pacifist moment was bullshit. Even in the Freeza arc, he still didn't hold back and struck out at enemies like the Ginyu Force and Freeza. And yet, in a battle that's even more important than those, he just lets himself get the shit beaten out of him without launching more than one kick.

What's the point? He's given it everything he's got by that point. Cell's beaten him into the ground and there's nothing he can do but tap into his hidden power, but he doesn't know how and he's scared. He knows if he doesn't find out quick, everyone's blood is going to be on his shoulders. Charging recklessly at Cell as opposed to finding a way to use his hidden power is not a better option; even if he is pissing his pants scared.

[Michsi]

The thing is, he does appologise in that arc though not really to Gohan . When everybody was getting their asses handed to them by the Cell jrs. he admits to them that he made a mistake.

About Gohan, I think pacifist suits him, since I think he would rather avoid a fight if he could. He tried to reason with Cell first, means he didn't want to fight.

[Rocketman]

Chichi joining the Z Warriors.
No Gohan, Goten, or Kid Trunks.
Movie 4's Super Saiyan is the standard Super Saiyan.
No extra levels to Super Saiyan, because it cannot be controlled.
No Kaioken.
Vegetto doesn't defuse.

[Jackal puFF]

-I would have had Launch in Z somehow.
-More interaction with Vegeta and everyone else like Roshi or Tien, you know?
-An ending which showed what happened to everyone after Goku and Uub fly in the sunset.