How can a young boy far before puberty sound masculine? What 4 to 6/7 year old boys do you know with such voices? Granted, pre-Buu Gohan is a strong young boy but until he grew a pair downstairs, I don't think he'd sound any less than a kid.PhoenixEX wrote:I personally don't like it. Don't get me wrong she's a great voice actress it's just that i can't see Gohan sounding like that. His voice should have been more masculine, but not too much the way Stephanie Nadolny did it, i don't like hers either.
Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
It's just the way Gohan's voice sounds in Kai, something about his voice really annoys me. They should have hired a real 6 year old to do his voice. It also annoys me how during the Cell Saga he still had that voice, it should have been deeper by that age.matt0044 wrote:How can a young boy far before puberty sound masculine? What 4 to 6/7 year old boys do you know with such voices? Granted, pre-Buu Gohan is a strong young boy but until he grew a pair downstairs, I don't think he'd sound any less than a kid.PhoenixEX wrote:I personally don't like it. Don't get me wrong she's a great voice actress it's just that i can't see Gohan sounding like that. His voice should have been more masculine, but not too much the way Stephanie Nadolny did it, i don't like hers either.
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
If they got a young boy to do it, it would be odd hearing him voiced by a woman in the games. Especially the ones coming out during Kai's run. If they had the boy voice for both Kai and the games, it wouldn't be very long before he'd be recast.
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
And I'm not sure if FUNimation could get a six year old who could act well. I think this is why they resort to adult VAs who have experience whether or not they sound 100% authentic.KingofWisdom wrote:If they got a young boy to do it, it would be odd hearing him voiced by a woman in the games. Especially the ones coming out during Kai's run. If they had the boy voice for both Kai and the games, it wouldn't be very long before he'd be recast.
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
No it shouldn't, during the Cell Games he was still 10-11 years old, a child still, so making him sound tough wouldn't fit the age requirement.PhoenixEX wrote:It also annoys me how during the Cell Saga he still had that voice, it should have been deeper by that age.
He's a "Teen" Gohan SSJ2 on the video games but that's just a load of bs.
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1. She sucks compared to the great Jap seiyuus(Romi Park, Ikue Otani,etc)
2. Her voice doesnt suit Gohan at all, she is more suited voicing characters like Ash.
2. Her voice doesnt suit Gohan at all, she is more suited voicing characters like Ash.
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
Nozawa made Gohan's voice deeper in the Cell Games, though.dbboxkaifan wrote:No it shouldn't, during the Cell Games he was still 10-11 years old, a child still, so making him sound tough wouldn't fit the age requirement.PhoenixEX wrote:It also annoys me how during the Cell Saga he still had that voice, it should have been deeper by that age.
He's a "Teen" Gohan SSJ2 on the video games but that's just a load of bs.
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
The voice would be different at 12/11 than it is at 4. Voices from 4-12 may be slightly different but it is still there. When I was 11/12 that's when my voice started to change drastically. My voice from 13 to now is different still. You can hear the youth in voices wither away. Someone who is 20 doesn't sound like someone who is 14, in which that same 14 year old boy would not sound like someone who is 10 and so on...
I think Clinkenbeard is miscasted for the role of Gohan. It's not her acting but it's the voice she portrays. People are annoyed by how her character in her voice does not match the character we see on screen. If she was so good, than less people would complain. I wanted to like it but I can't. I see a young boy and hear something that does not match. Maybe it is just me, but I haven't liked Gohan's actors that much after Henderson.
I think Clinkenbeard is miscasted for the role of Gohan. It's not her acting but it's the voice she portrays. People are annoyed by how her character in her voice does not match the character we see on screen. If she was so good, than less people would complain. I wanted to like it but I can't. I see a young boy and hear something that does not match. Maybe it is just me, but I haven't liked Gohan's actors that much after Henderson.
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I can't imagine that would be true at all. "Good" is a highly subjective term.Attitudefan wrote:If she was so good, than less people would complain.
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
People (fanboys) can't accept Colleen as Gohan because they're too attached to Henderson/Stephanie.Attitudefan wrote:People are annoyed by how her character in her voice does not match the character we see on screen. If she was so good, then less people would complain.
Ocean Gohan's great, but on FUNi Z, Stephanie and Linda Young made it completely unwatchable for me.
Chris Sabat is okay for Vegeta and Piccolo, but FUNimation could've found new VAs to voice Vegeta/Piccolo instead of Sabat, and Schemmel the same thing.
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
With talk about her being miscast, I thought I'd ask what people's opinion on Ms. Clinkenbeard's performance as a 17 year-old boy is. (Would've done a character closer to Gohan's age, but couldn't find good clips of Maso outside full eps Funi put up).
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
I don't like how gruff she makes her voice for Luffy. Granted, he's a 17-year old, but the voice sounds so unnatural. Like she's trying her hardest to sound like a boy (to the point where the voice is just mismatched). If it was smoother, closer to her Gohan voice, I would like it more. And then it'd actually sound closer to the seiyu's take on him. He should sound more like a pre-teen.
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
I should say "fitting" not good. My mistake. I think she is a great actress!TheBlackPaladin wrote:I can't imagine that would be true at all. "Good" is a highly subjective term.Attitudefan wrote:If she was so good, than less people would complain.
I agree but I do think it sounds too similar to her Gohan. The voice sounds better for Luffy (an older character than Gohan) and I don't find my self thinking: well that doesn't sound right!KingofWisdom wrote:I don't like how gruff she makes her voice for Luffy. Granted, he's a 17-year old, but the voice sounds so unnatural. Like she's trying her hardest to sound like a boy (to the point where the voice is just mismatched). If it was smoother, closer to her Gohan voice, I would like it more. And then it'd actually sound closer to the seiyu's take on him. He should sound more like a pre-teen.
Gohan at a young age should have a much lighter voice than what Clinkenbeard portrays.
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
Oh please don't start leading the topic into one of these.perucho1990 wrote:1. She sucks compared to the great Jap seiyuus(Romi Park, Ikue Otani,etc)
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
Well I'm not trying to. I am just trying to put perspective on this hate.
(I know it wasn't directed at me personally but I have a feeling it was indirectly)
(I know it wasn't directed at me personally but I have a feeling it was indirectly)
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
Nah, it wasn't ever intended to be done at you, directly or indirectly. I just really don't want a topic of that nature to come to fruition in the middle of another topic.Attitudefan wrote:Well I'm not trying to. I am just trying to put perspective on this hate.
(I know it wasn't directed at me personally but I have a feeling it was indirectly)
As for not going completely off topic, Colleen's Gohan was actually the reason I put Kai off for so long. I was really excited to see a new Dragon Ball project so I waited anxiously for the English dub to come out. In comes Colleen "MOMMY! DADDY! HELP!" and I'm like "Oww! This is not the Gohan I grew up with!"
It wasn't until last year when I actually sat down for a few episodes and judged it not based on first glance. I watched the first 14 episodes of Kai and it felt like I was watching DBZ all over again growing up. Colleen's Gohan was only really irritating for the first episode because of how strange it was to hear a new Gohan but as I kept watching it grew on me to the point where it doesn't annoy me enough. It's not perfect but it's certainly one of the best we have had.
I feel absolutely embarrased that I put off such a good dub for so long
As for Saffron Henderson, if she can raise her pitch a little to make it more age appropriate and put just a bit more acting into her lines, I'd say she would make for a pretty good Gohan.
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
^ Okay that's cool.
I agree too. Clinkenbeard did grow on me too. Her voice is like beer, you have to get an acquired taste for it
I agree too. Clinkenbeard did grow on me too. Her voice is like beer, you have to get an acquired taste for it
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Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
Beer is naturally tasty, there's just those unfortunate companies that produce horrid beer which isn't worth anyone's money not even the alcoholics (lol).Attitudefan wrote:like beer, you have to get an acquired taste for it
Liquor (Coconut) > Wine > Beer
Coconut liquor's my favourite because it was the first I ever drank and loved the taste, also it was from the Andorra, at least it was bought there. I miss (Old/Antique) Andorra.
Haven't travelled to Andorra in years. 
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dbboxkaifan wrote:Beer is naturally tasty, there's just those unfortunate companies that produce horrid beer which isn't worth anyone's money not even the alcoholics (lol).Attitudefan wrote:like beer, you have to get an acquired taste for it
Liquor (Coconut) > Wine > Beer
Coconut liquor's my favourite because it was the first I ever drank and loved the taste, also it was from the Andorra, at least it was bought there. I miss (Old/Antique) Andorra.
Very off topic! Nice man! Sounds sweet! (pun intended)My favourite art style (and animation) outside Toriyama who worked on Dragon Ball: Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, Masaki Satō, Minoru Maeda, Takeo Ide, Hisashi Eguchi, Katsumi Aoshima, Tomekichi Takeuchi, Masahiro Shimanuki, Kazuya Hisada
Re: Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?
A thought occurred to me: if Clinkenbeard voiced young Goku and Gohan back then in Z, the Nostalgia Fanboys would never hate her. Hell, they'd hate Nadolny if she replaced Clinkenbeard in Kai.