Dragonball Z: Saiyan Saga - Help make this happen!

[SSJSteve]

Their recent update is very interesting. Some of the Characters are great, especially Piccolo. Also, that 30 seconds of footage at the end is probably better than the whole of DB:E.

I actually think Piccolo looks terrible. The paint doesn't stand out against his skin, and looks very dark.

Considering the budget their working on, and like someone mentioned it being a work in process, it's pretty good. If they had $50m to play around with I'm sure it would be better than DB:E's version.

[Son Geeko]

People have said "What about Goku's origins if they do a movie based off on the Saiyan Saga?", I would have deal with the whole back story in the intro credits similar to the recent Hulk movie with Edward Norton.

I've always disargeed with the "If they make a live-action DB reboot, they should just start with the Saiyan Saga and just explain the earlier stuff in the opening credits" idea that I keep seeing getting mentioned over and over. I mean, it worked fine with The Incredible Hulk because many people had probably already seen the 2003 Ang Lee film and already basically know Hulk's orgins (that and the 2008 film was really more of a "requel" if anything else). But for here, we're talking about fast forwarding a major part of the STORY here, not just skipping some famous superhero's origin like Spider-Man or Batman who orgins story is already widely known. How exactly would they explain Dragon Ball in opening credits time anyways?

"Hey, there's this boy named Goku. He meets some people. He looks for some magical balls. He kicks ass. He saves the world at some point. He grows up. He bangs a chick.... and that's pretty much it."

It worked okay with Kai, because it's an animated TV series that'll give the audience still some time to fully undestand and appreciate the characters as the shows expands and goes on, but as a theatrical live-action movie that introduces the franchise to a even larger, wider, and (to put it simple) "dumber" audience? Not so much.

I'd really prefer that if a reboot ever happens, it should really start with DB just for the sakes of giving more time to better introduce and understand the characters from that point of the story. At least just have the first movie cover DB, and immediately follow DBZ in the second film.

[Mayweather]

Actually the trailers gonna be 4 to 5 minutes long so it's an extended trailer

They've got the animated version of what they're gonna use (clips taken from the show) here http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... cmgtgya-fw

The editing and music and stuff is pretty impressive. I hope it all goes well for them.

That trailer is freaking awesome, man. I donated £5.00. Can't wait for it!

[Perfect]

I don't like the special effects, but they're using trained martial artists, so at least the fights'll be interesting.

[Jackal puFF]

Everything looks pretty good so far, I just hope they can make the effects look somewhat better or just realistic enough. That spirit ball was super cheesy.

[Attitudefan]

Everything looks pretty good so far, I just hope they can make the effects look somewhat better or just realistic enough. That spirit ball was super cheesy.

That's what I thought. It reminded me of how DBE looked.

I don't want this to look like a bad after effects kamehameha thing you see on Youtube.

[gohan2k]

People have said "What about Goku's origins if they do a movie based off on the Saiyan Saga?", I would have deal with the whole back story in the intro credits similar to the recent Hulk movie with Edward Norton.

I've always disargeed with the "If they make a live-action DB reboot, they should just start with the Saiyan Saga and just explain the earlier stuff in the opening credits" idea that I keep seeing getting mentioned over and over. I mean, it worked fine with The Incredible Hulk because many people had probably already seen the 2003 Ang Lee film and already basically know Hulk's orgins (that and the 2008 film was really more of a "requel" if anything else). But for here, we're talking about fast forwarding a major part of the STORY here, not just skipping some famous superhero's origin like Spider-Man or Batman who orgins story is already widely known. How exactly would they explain Dragon Ball in opening credits time anyways?

"Hey, there's this boy named Goku. He meets some people. He looks for some magical balls. He kicks ass. He saves the world at some point. He grows up. He bangs a chick.... and that's pretty much it."

It worked okay with Kai, because it's an animated TV series that'll give the audience still some time to fully undestand and appreciate the characters as the shows expands and goes on, but as a theatrical live-action movie that introduces the franchise to a even larger, wider, and (to put it simple) "dumber" audience? Not so much.

I'd really prefer that if a reboot ever happens, it should really start with DB just for the sakes of giving more time to better introduce and understand the characters from that point of the story. At least just have the first movie cover DB, and immediately follow DBZ in the second film.

Yeah I agree. Dragonball has so many characters and so much backstory that if you were to start at the Saiyan saga you would have change things so much just to make it sense for a new audience, actually from what I've discovered from trying to create a close to the story screenplay for a movie is that in an ideal situation you'd have two dragonball movies in order to properly tell the story one from the beginning to the Red Ribbon arc and the other dealing with the Piccolo Daimao arc (or three if you didn't wanna combine Piccolo Daimao & Jr into one movie..).

Anyways back on topic. I'm impressed with the passion of these guys and the effort they're putting into making this trailer. They seem to actually care more about the series than the creators of Evolution did (I personally think the studios more to blame for that one though...) and I'm cautiously optimistic it'll be good.

We shall see...

[mister yummy]

Looks like they're filming this in Winsprit Quarry near the village of Worth Matravers in Dorset, England. This location has also been used to film episodes of Dr. Who and Blakes 7. Watching the youtube video linked in the first post was all it took for me to recognise the location. A little bit of digging, and I'm sure. Being a big B7 fan helped.

I recognised those caves instantly, they're pretty distinctive. Just for reference, here's the project's "location" webpage

http://www.kandkproductions.co.uk/dbz/location.html.

[DerekPadula]

I just posted my interview with the creators, George and Harry Kirby:

http://thedaoofdragonball.com/blog/inte ... -interview/

In the interview you'll learn about the film, where the inspiration came from, why Dragon Ball Evolution missed the mark, and how this project will get things right.

Check it out!

[SSJSteve]

Thanks for posting the Interview DerekPadula.

After reading that I'm even more excited to see the finished project. It's great that they're fans of the show and are trying to stay as faithful to the original as possible, that's exactly what the fans want.

Imagine if FOX had given these guys $50 million to do the film.

[Attitudefan]

This is making me even more excited. I appreciate their passion for a true interpretation of Dragonball. That's something FOX did not give with Evolution.

[Jackal puFF]

Ditto on posting the interview. Can't wait to read it!

[DerekPadula]

You're welcome guys. I'm glad you enjoyed the interview and I think the movie will be great. They're dedicated fans with the talent to make what we've always wanted.

[Son Geeko]

https://twitter.com/#!/DBZ_Saiyan_Saga

We have now had over $10,000 contibuted! DBZ fans are truly amazing and we cant thank you enough! Our next video update will be online soon.

[DonieZ]

So, I only recently heard of this the other day, since I don't usually go on this ection of the forum a lot, and I'm pretty excited and have trying to spread the word in support. I was wondering though, is what they are doing legal? I've been having a discussion with some random people on FB, when I posted this stuff on some Funimation 'like' page, and there are a lot of pessimists. Does it infringe on copyright to take money from other people to develop a movie of someone else's work?


I agree with one of the other posters that I'd prefer a live action film beginning from the DB. I wouldn't want it to turn out like Star Wars where they were released in reverse order (or something along those lines) and I can't understand why it was like that anyway. I think DB is a lot more doable to, since there aren't as much alien-like creatures, there's less flying, and it focuses a lot more than Z on the story-telling. I know DB has talking animals all over the place, but they can easily be altered or discarded.

I'm pretty optimistic though. We should note that eventhough the effects in that short video may not have been so great, they were most likely using as little resources as possible; there's no way they'd have touched their budget money for that. Imagine what they can do with $10,000 plus, these guys are fans just like us, and they probably know that what was shown in that video doesn't compare to what we'd expect from DBZ. I'm optimistic.

[Saimaroimaru]

So, I only recently heard of this the other day, since I don't usually go on this ection of the forum a lot, and I'm pretty excited and have trying to spread the word in support. I was wondering though, is what they are doing legal? I've been having a discussion with some random people on FB, when I posted this stuff on some Funimation 'like' page, and there are a lot of pessimists. Does it infringe on copyright to take money from other people to develop a movie of someone else's work?


I agree with one of the other posters that I'd prefer a live action film beginning from the DB. I wouldn't want it to turn out like Star Wars where they were released in reverse order (or something along those lines) and I can't understand why it was like that anyway. I think DB is a lot more doable to, since there aren't as much alien-like creatures, there's less flying, and it focuses a lot more than Z on the story-telling. I know DB has talking animals all over the place, but they can easily be altered or discarded.

I'm pretty optimistic though. We should note that eventhough the effects in that short video may not have been so great, they were most likely using as little resources as possible; there's no way they'd have touched their budget money for that. Imagine what they can do with $10,000 plus, these guys are fans just like us, and they probably know that what was shown in that video doesn't compare to what we'd expect from DBZ. I'm optimistic.

I am guessing your the comment they responded to on their youtube vid about legality. Since they are making no money, like with every DBZ fan made video on youtube(and there is a lot) its fair use.

[VegettoEX]

Simply not making money off of something does not immediately qualify it as "fair use". There are a series of four factors on a check list that are the first steps a court would take in determining if something fell under fair use. I talked a little bit more in-depth about this over on my personal blog a while back.

[Saimaroimaru]

Simply not making money off of something does not immediately qualify it as "fair use". There are a series of four factors on a check list that are the first steps a court would take in determining if something fell under fair use. I talked a little bit more in-depth about this over on my personal blog a while back.

Well then that is a lot of videos that the copyright owner has to go through seeing as the genre has grown over the years on youtube. To put it simply they seem to only go after high publicity fan made videos these days.

I wonder what the Naruto film makers did to get around the copyright stuff. Not that it matters to me, I'm not making it so its not my issue.

In fact the only anime related vids I have seen taken down are either the Immawhoever stuff, TeamFour Star, EdenoftehEastm and other stuff like that but that is because they are actually using anime footage in their stuff.

I have yet to see a fan made dbz fight video get taken down or any live action anime fan fight video for copyright reasons that used their own footage and voices.

If your argument is character likeness and what not, then about 80%(overestimate just saying most) of the genre on youtube needs to be culled like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPDKBfodgh0

[VegettoEX]

The reason why certain videos get taken down is pretty clear and well-documented: YouTube has instituted algorithms that specifically search for content (video and audio) that match samples and other materials provided to them by partners, and more specifically partners on a business level.

"Video A" contains a scene from DBZ (let's say FUNimation's English dub) as-is. Depending on some other factors (account it's tied to, subscriber level, etc.)., the probability it gets taken down is quite high.

"Video B" contains the same thing, but the video is flipped horizontally. This makes it more difficult to match the content provided by FUNimation, so the probability of it getting taken down is decreased.

"Video C" contains all-original live-action footage, but uses music from the original Japanese soundtrack to DBZ. The video will not be flagged by any automated algorithms, but it's a possibility that the audio will be flagged.

"Video D" contains all-original live-action footage and all-original music and all-original dialog, but it uses all characters, costumes, etc. from DBZ. The chances of it being taken down based on digital content matches is non-existent. The chances of it being manually noticed by copyright owners is what it is, and they could potentially notify YouTube and request a take-down.

So no -- copyright holders are rarely sitting there and manually following links to links and videos to videos looking for specific items used without permissions so they can run down to their legal department to justify the existence of their jobs.

[Saimaroimaru]

The reason why certain videos get taken down is pretty clear and well-documented: YouTube has instituted algorithms that specifically search for content (video and audio) that match samples and other materials provided to them by partners, and more specifically partners on a business level.

"Video A" contains a scene from DBZ (let's say FUNimation's English dub) as-is. Depending on some other factors (account it's tied to, subscriber level, etc.)., the probability it gets taken down is quite high.

"Video B" contains the same thing, but the video is flipped horizontally. This makes it more difficult to match the content provided by FUNimation, so the probability of it getting taken down is decreased.

"Video C" contains all-original live-action footage, but uses music from the original Japanese soundtrack to DBZ. The video will not be flagged by any automated algorithms, but it's a possibility that the audio will be flagged.

"Video D" contains all-original live-action footage and all-original music and all-original dialog, but it uses all characters, costumes, etc. from DBZ. The chances of it being taken down based on digital content matches is non-existent. The chances of it being manually noticed by copyright owners is what it is, and they could potentially notify YouTube and request a take-down.

So no -- copyright holders are rarely sitting there and manually following links to links and videos to videos looking for specific items used without permissions so they can run down to their legal department to justify the existence of their jobs.

Most of the genre I am talking about follows under Video D. There are many high video count videos that have been on years that have been ignored simply because they follow D. They simply don't care for them because as long as the videos are not monetized they don't care unless they follow A,B, or C in which they aren't obviously D. Otherwise that is one crappy algorithm as I can go through my long list(and I did) of homebrew videos I have bookmarked and every one of them not removed by the user(one was removed by the user) is still up and going like no ones business.

The videos I watch are D, homebrew in which 95% are crappy and make DB:E look like a god send. The few jewels that by your logic should catch their attention stay up and many times get downloaded and reposted by veiwer ship lovers(nice way of putting it) because they gain a certain level of popularity while the original is still up.

And going by the slump the genre had a while back, if the algorithm is really post to target and get homebrew then it has done a crappy job but then again Video D encompasses more than just anime in terms of fan release stuff.