Is GT Episode #63 the darkest in the entrie series?

[Rukura]

Must all GT related topics turn into some kinda bashing of the series?

All that has been going on right now is a critique at the use of Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta's use, which was indeed questionable. Other than that, there was literally almost no bashing of the series at all. I, myself, actually stand by the subject of this thread as I really enjoyed it.

[dbgtFO]

It is pretty damn dark and one of the best episodes of GT, but the fact that they could've ended it instantly with Gogeta really hurts it.

Vegetto breaking up (ie, what they're ripping off in GT) wasn't a smart move, but it was at least completely unexpected. If you know you're on a time limit, and you know you're against a super regenerator that can curbstomp you with no effort, and you know that the enemy's mere existence is killing your homeworld and you still fuck around with PARTY POPPERS TEE HEE, you deserve to get your shit wrecked.

Even worse how they portray him perfectly in movie 12: Serious, doesn't fuck around and immediately finishes the villain. And then in GT they just want a Vegetto rip off.

And literally the only reason Vegetto acted cocky against Boo in the first place was to provoke him into absorbing him. So there's absolutely no reason for Gogeta to fuck around here.

Sure there was and as soon as Gogeta had rid the Earth of the minus energy, saving it, he went for the kill with that Big Bang Kamehameha.
So it seems like Gogeta was purposefully acting like a cocky fool to provoke Super 1-Star Dragon into unleashing his minus energy ball, so he could nullify its effects and save the world.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I didn't even remember that part, but whatever.

[InfernalVegito]

So it seems like Gogeta was purposefully acting like a cocky fool to provoke Super 1-Star Dragon into unleashing his minus energy ball, so he could nullify its effects and save the world.

I find it hard to believe that Gogeta knew, that the only way to get rid of the minus energy was to let Super Yi Xing Long unleashe his Negative Karma Ball. If it's even the only way to do so.

[Fionordequester]

And I find it hard to believe that Vegito could somehow know with 100% certainty that he could keep himself from being absorbed by Majin Buu even after Buu integrated Vegito into his body. Yet somehow, he did.

In any case though, this is Vegito/Gogeta we're talking about, who, it seems, is pretty much the coolest guy ever. So that actually sounds like a good explanation.

[Saiga]

I might believe that if that was actually said in-series... except that it was Gogeta's positive energy that "cured" Earth. There's nothing saying he needed to wait for Omega to launch an attack before he could do that.

[dbgtFO]

Sure it isn't directly stated in the series and people saying it was obvious to them(like I think it was), doesn't mean others should feel the same way, but the fact remains that as soon as Gogeta had nullified the effects of the minus energy,(and of course explained it to the viewers) he went for the kill, as opposed to continuing with his clown acts, which does paint a picture of him not being as reckless as is implied in this thread.

Basically: no more threat no more clown acts.

Of course you could also say that Gogeta was simply incredibly lucky and didn't account for anything like that happening, when he kicked the ball away and was genuinely having fun for fun's sake the whole time and then arbitrarily decided, when to finish it, making it look like it was his plan all along, when it really wasn't.

Both are indeed possible and with the way he acted during the whole time leading up to the part, where the minus energy ball was created, I wouldn't be surprised, if the second possibility was true.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I might believe that if that was actually said in-series... except that it was Gogeta's positive energy that "cured" Earth. There's nothing saying he needed to wait for Omega to launch an attack before he could do that.

I think the series itself more than implies that to be the explanation. You can cover up the smell of a rotten egg with air fresheners, but that won't solve the problem until you find and remove it. Even if Gogeta used his own ki to try and make Earth stable again, nothing says it would have worked so long as Yi Xing Long still had the source of all the negative energy within him.

[Nex Carnifex]

I might believe that if that was actually said in-series... except that it was Gogeta's positive energy that "cured" Earth. There's nothing saying he needed to wait for Omega to launch an attack before he could do that.

I think the series itself more than implies that to be the explanation. You can cover up the smell of a rotten egg with air fresheners, but that won't solve the problem until you find and remove it. Even if Gogeta used his own ki to try and make Earth stable again, nothing says it would have worked so long as Yi Xing Long still had the source of all the negative energy within him.

Wouldn't destroying him get rid of the source then if it was inside him?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Wouldn't destroying him get rid of the source then if it was inside him?

Who knows, it's Dragon Ball. Yi Xing Long is supposedly the evil dragon that was summoned instead of regular Shenlong at the end of the Super 17 Arc, as only 6 shadowy energy dragons were shown leaving with DBs in that scene. Since he seemed to be the main source of the negative energy, it's possible that simply killing him wouldn't have cleansed the Dragon Balls like it did with the other Dragons. Perhaps Gogeta's actions were absolutely necessary for the threat to be neutralized...as I said, who knows. lol

[Ringworm128]

Yep I can agree with you OP. This is also why Super Yi Xing Long is my absolute favorite villain. Totally overpowered and menacing in every aspect. They literally had no chance against him (except for the Genidama obviously) and therefore the sense of hopelessness was perfectly created.

Funnily enough that's why I think Yi Xing Long is the worst villain. He had no personality besides the fact he was evil. The only interesting thing about him was the fact he was the strongest villain. And it was a shame because some of the villains that came before him were pretty interesting, like the 3 Star Dragon and his dirty tactics or Baby. But no, they have to finish GT with a villain with less personality then characters like Kiwi and Apule.

[Cipher]

Funnily enough that's why I think Yi Xing Long is the worst villain. He had no personality besides the fact he was evil. The only interesting thing about him was the fact he was the strongest villain. And it was a shame because some of the villains that came before him were pretty interesting, like the 3 Star Dragon and his dirty tactics or Baby. But no, they have to finish GT with a villain with less personality then characters like Kiwi and Apule.

I love GT to bits, but I could not agree with this more.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Funnily enough that's why I think Yi Xing Long is the worst villain. He had no personality besides the fact he was evil. The only interesting thing about him was the fact he was the strongest villain. And it was a shame because some of the villains that came before him were pretty interesting, like the 3 Star Dragon and his dirty tactics or Baby. But no, they have to finish GT with a villain with less personality then characters like Kiwi and Apule.

I love GT to bits, but I could not agree with this more.

Seconded. I love the idea of the evil Dragons arc, but it's execution is definitely flawed in many places...and his lack of definable personality is definitely a part of it. I guess to be fair though, I can't really think of what kind of personality I'd give him either.

[Ringworm128]

Maybe they could have made him into a smart ass. It would be pretty funny having a villain constantly think up witty comebacks.

[Rukura]

Funnily enough that's why I think Yi Xing Long is the worst villain. He had no personality besides the fact he was evil. The only interesting thing about him was the fact he was the strongest villain. And it was a shame because some of the villains that came before him were pretty interesting, like the 3 Star Dragon and his dirty tactics or Baby. But no, they have to finish GT with a villain with less personality then characters like Kiwi and Apule.

I love GT to bits, but I could not agree with this more.

Seconded. I love the idea of the evil Dragons arc, but it's execution is definitely flawed in many places...and his lack of definable personality is definitely a part of it. I guess to be fair though, I can't really think of what kind of personality I'd give him either.

Third-ed. I felt a lot more the 4 star dragon, although I totally understand how he wouldn't work as a villain and was written into his end. Hell, even Baby had a reason to be there. Yi Xing Long was just...there.