How powerful did Yamcha, Ten, Chaozu, and Krillin get?

[Piccolo Daimao]

And it's not as if Vegeta wouldn't have just transformed into a Super Saiyan if he wanted to, especially since he was going to fight Gokuu in a match.

[FNF]

But why would you think they are that strong? No.20 said they would add enough energy for him to beat Vegeta, but apparently he also tought an insignificant energy would be enough to defeat Piccolo who is much weaker than Vegeta... that's already such a huge miscalculation.

Piccolo was suppressed. C20 could even tell that himself> Vegeta(post BBA). Vegeta actually had to bluff his way out of it. The only times he was wrong were when he got cocky (vs SSjin Vegeta initially) and when he was deceived (Piccolo suppressing then raising his Ki in short bursts).

Besides, it's one of these typical time-skips when the Z senshi miraculously get waaaaaaaaaaa~y stronger (see the Earthlings ,specifically Ten, going from below Drum to above (in at least some aspects) Piccolo Daimao and getting much bigger gains in one year than Goku, who spent 3 years, at God's). AT made it clear enough via Piccolo in the Trunks arc. Even Tenshinhan made it clear when he made the sober decision to leave Chaozu behind because he wouldn't be able to keep up. Goku even went as far as to agree implying Ten wasn't exactly a mouse among elephants.

[Deep Thought]

I agree with FNF and Travis. Yamcha and the rest of humans were at least in Kaioken x20 Goku's league during the Android Arc, especially since there's a lot of misconceptions about Yamcha's defeat at the hands of Dr. Gero. A lot of people fail to realize that Yamcha pre-emptively determined Gero's absorption capabilities and staged his defeat to raise awareness of the absorption methods to the rest of the group. Why didn't Yamcha just one-shot Gero? Because Yamcha rightfully assessed that there were problem further reserved Androids more powerful than Gero and even him. Unfortunately, though, Yamcha wrongfully assumed that further Androids/Cyborgs would be stronger due to a superior absorption method, rather than having infinite energy reactors. So Yamcha's only mistake was assuming that #17 and #18 would be reliant on misappropriating energy rather than being self-sustaining.

[shonenhikada]

I agree with FNF and Travis. Yamcha and the rest of humans were at least in Kaioken x20 Goku's league during the Android Arc, especially since there's a lot of misconceptions about Yamcha's defeat at the hands of Dr. Gero. A lot of people fail to realize that Yamcha pre-emptively determined Gero's absorption capabilities and staged his defeat to raise awareness of the absorption methods to the rest of the group. Why didn't Yamcha just one-shot Gero? Because Yamcha rightfully assessed that there were problem further reserved Androids more powerful than Gero and even him. Unfortunately, though, Yamcha wrongfully assumed that further Androids/Cyborgs would be stronger due to a superior absorption method, rather than having infinite energy reactors. So Yamcha's only mistake was assuming that #17 and #18 would be reliant on misappropriating energy rather than being self-sustaining.

Wait, Yamcha allowed himself to be defeated?

[CaptainKatsura]

^It was sarcasm, obviously.

[FNF]

It was sarcasm that wasn't needed in the slightest. If you disagree, you can at least bring up some tangible proof as to why you disagree.

And from the sounds of things, he actually thinks that kkx20 Goku can one shot c20 lmao.

[Deep Thought]

Wait, Yamcha allowed himself to be defeated?

Yes. There's nothing really disproving that.

^It was sarcasm, obviously.

Do you choose to brand my point of view as sarcasm to make it harder to confront?

It was sarcasm that wasn't needed in the slightest. If you disagree, you can at least bring up some tangible proof as to why you disagree.

And from the sounds of things, he actually thinks that kkx20 Goku can one shot c20 lmao.

It's either that or believing that Piccolo was as powerful as Super Sayajin Namek Arc Goku/100% full-power Freeza, which means that Piccolo got an unprecedented 150x boost in power. I prefer to think that Gero and Piccolo were around 50% Freeza's power. So saying that KK x20 Goku could one-shot Gero in this case would be somewhat hyperbolic in this case. I should have said "why didn't Yamcha beat up Gero?" so I'll apologize for that.

[FNF]

Kuririn: “He’s st-strong…! What kind of training did Piccolo do…And he’s not even a Su-Super Saiyan…”

Context: after Piccolo beats him up
No.20: “W-why you…To think that even Piccolo had increased his power this much…”

Tenshinhan: “I don’t like that Piccolo and Vegeta have powered up so extraordinarily, but for now at least it’s a relief…”

These statements alone are sufficient to place Piccolo quite a bit stronger than Freeza by the Android arc. The latter two statements seem to suggest that Piccolo and Vegeta aren't that far apart.

Even then, Piccolo still suggests that c19 and c20 might still be the androids Trunks were talking about so I think it's pretty much a given that c20's at least at Freeza's level.

[CaptainKatsura]

^^If it's not sarcasm, then I'm off to planet Hamek where I shall battle with Brieza-sama for the last tobacco, using my Super Chikyu-jin transformation powered by withdrawal. Then possibly search for Slippery Balls with Namcha to revive Grillin in hope he had some cigarettes on him. Or get panties.

On-topic and seriously: Well, high jump of Piccolo's power is not that unlikely. While human Z-Fighters naively pursued typical training in mountains (c'mon, it's so hard to ask Dr. Briefs for gravity machine?), alone (Chiaotzu doesn't count as true sparring partner), Piccolo spared (most likely intensively) with Goku and Gohan. Probably merging with Nail had more lasting effects than simple power up since it could in theory accelerate later power growth of Piccolo as he actually wasn't stricte warrior type Namekian but "merely" Dragon Clan Namekian who developed fighting skills.

[Bussani]

The guide books say that two Namekians can only fuse when they're the same type, so you'd think that would mean that Piccolo was already a warrior type. Of course, this logic goes out the window when he fuses with Kami, but maybe that's a special case due to their history?

[Fox666]

Maybe. They are not merging as much as they are unsplitting.

[FNF]

On-topic and seriously: Well, high jump of Piccolo's power is not that unlikely. While human Z-Fighters naively pursued typical training in mountains (c'mon, it's so hard to ask Dr. Briefs for gravity machine?), alone (Chiaotzu doesn't count as true sparring partner), Piccolo spared (most likely intensively) with Goku and Gohan. Probably merging with Nail had more lasting effects than simple power up since it could in theory accelerate later power growth of Piccolo as he actually wasn't stricte warrior type Namekian but "merely" Dragon Clan Namekian who developed fighting skills.

AT doesn't care about the minor details like that. He just makes them strong without too much of a reason. Hell he doesn't even make Gohan notably stronger, if at all, than the Earthlings (maybe apart from Yamcha) despite him having access to two great sparring partners in Piccolo and Goku. It turns out he's no more than a human taxi for Bulma. In terms of usefulness, it's suggested he's the least useful out of himself, Krillin and Ten.
In short, logic doesn't really belong in the DB verse when it comes to power gains.

[Saiga]

AT doesn't care about the minor details like that. He just makes them strong without too much of a reason. Hell he doesn't even make Gohan notably stronger, if at all, than the Earthlings (maybe apart from Yamcha) despite him having access to two great sparring partners in Piccolo and Goku. It turns out he's no more than a human taxi for Bulma. In terms of usefulness, it's suggested he's the least useful out of himself, Krillin and Ten.
In short, logic doesn't really belong in the DB verse when it comes to power gains.

Only if you choose to over-analyse everything. I think it's more likely Toriyama doesn't think too hard about simpler details so having Gohan fly Bulma back doesn't suggest anything about his strength in relation to Kurilin and Tenshinhan.

[FNF]

Only if you choose to over-analyse everything. I think it's more likely Toriyama doesn't think too hard about simpler details so having Gohan fly Bulma back doesn't suggest anything about his strength in relation to Kurilin and Tenshinhan.

You can call it over analyzing but It's really just practical logic.
Keep in mind, it comes soon after Yamcha conceding he's probably the least useful so he should take Goku away.
Surely Piccolo would want the best with him if the Androids were activated?

[Saiga]

Only if you choose to over-analyse everything. I think it's more likely Toriyama doesn't think too hard about simpler details so having Gohan fly Bulma back doesn't suggest anything about his strength in relation to Kurilin and Tenshinhan.

You can call it over analyzing but It's really just practical logic.
Keep in mind, it comes soon after Yamcha conceding he's probably the least useful so he should take Goku away.
Surely Piccolo would want the best with him if the Androids were activated?

Considering they're all useless anyway, no.

[Deep Thought]

On-topic and seriously: Well, high jump of Piccolo's power is not that unlikely. While human Z-Fighters naively pursued typical training in mountains (c'mon, it's so hard to ask Dr. Briefs for gravity machine?), alone (Chiaotzu doesn't count as true sparring partner), Piccolo spared (most likely intensively) with Goku and Gohan. Probably merging with Nail had more lasting effects than simple power up since it could in theory accelerate later power growth of Piccolo as he actually wasn't stricte warrior type Namekian but "merely" Dragon Clan Namekian who developed fighting skills.

I can see how that would make him more combative but I don't see how he'd just magically get more powerful just because a part of him is arbitrarily a "warrior" type. Also, Piccolo was the dominant mind and body.

Kuririn: “He’s st-strong…! What kind of training did Piccolo do…And he’s not even a Su-Super Saiyan…”

Context: after Piccolo beats him up
No.20: “W-why you…To think that even Piccolo had increased his power this much…”

Tenshinhan: “I don’t like that Piccolo and Vegeta have powered up so extraordinarily, but for now at least it’s a relief…”

These statements alone are sufficient to place Piccolo quite a bit stronger than Freeza by the Android arc. The latter two statements seem to suggest that Piccolo and Vegeta aren't that far apart.

Even then, Piccolo still suggests that c19 and c20 might still be the androids Trunks were talking about so I think it's pretty much a given that c20's at least at Freeza's level.

Even if Piccolo was as strong as Super Sayajin Goku on Namek, he dominated Gero more easily than that Goku dominated 50% Freeza. In one fell swoop, he cut off Gero's hand with ease. So my point about Gero being about as strong as 50% Freeza and Yamcha being able to beat him still stands.

Also, everyone needs to remember that Yamcha and the humans aren't like Sayajins and Namekians. Even when you instantaneously heal a wound, the nerval trauma and temporary extreme blood loss caused by Yamcha's wound would render him incapable of fighting for a while, so he would technically be the most useless in this one scenario.

[Travis Touchdown]

I always took Yamcha's hasty retreat as a sign of fear of the androids. In his very first encounter, he had his power drained and was impaled. Sometimes when one has a very negative first encounter with something, they tend to have an irrational fear of it. This shows up later when Yamcha was afraid to insult Android 18 at the lookout.

Yamcha getting grabbed and having his power drained was a surprise attack and an unforeseen circumstance. The same near death experience nearly happened to Piccolo if it hadn't been for Gohan saving him. I don't see how him nearly getting killed by Android 20 makes him the most useless, as Krillin and Tien would have suffered the same fate had they tried to challenge Gero.

All in all, I still think Yamcha is stronger than Krillin and remain unconvinced otherwise. However, by this point I don't think there's a very large gap between Tien, Yamcha, & Krillin. I'd say their difference is about the same as Goten & Trunks.

[FNF]

Only if you choose to over-analyse everything. I think it's more likely Toriyama doesn't think too hard about simpler details so having Gohan fly Bulma back doesn't suggest anything about his strength in relation to Kurilin and Tenshinhan.

You can call it over analyzing but It's really just practical logic.
Keep in mind, it comes soon after Yamcha conceding he's probably the least useful so he should take Goku away.
Surely Piccolo would want the best with him if the Androids were activated?

Considering they're all useless anyway, no.

I'm just following the narrative. There are certain degrees of usefulness as proven by Yamcha.
Besides, the more the merrier. C17 even seemed to suggest that if they were to all gang up on c18 they could probably take her.

@Travis, well in the anime, c20 seems to suggest Yamcha>Krillin when he says Krillin's energy isn't worth absorbing (something like that). It's just the anime but if you want follow that...

@Deep, I heavily doubt Piccolo would still think that they could be the androids Trunks was talking about if that were the case.
And as I pointed out, the last two quotes I provided implies Piccolo is still quite close to Vegeta. Unless you think Vegeta is still close to SSjin Goku on Namek...well.

[Son_Gohan]

Yamcha's power couldn't have been far from Goku's during the Saiyan arc. As the Androids confused his power for Son Goku's at first, and based on their data, it was not expected to improve much from his current level.

Context: the androids mistake Yamcha for Goku
No.20: “A human with an unusually high energy rating is heading this way…Is the search system malfunctioning?”
No.19: “It’s not a malfunction, No.20. I’m noting the same energy.”
No.20: “It greatly surpasses human data…”
No.19: “We’ve found him already…Son Goku.”

Goku: “I see…But did you spy on the battle on Planet Namek too?”
No.20: “There was no need. By the battle with Vegeta and co., we had already completely grasped your power and techniques. We calculated that no matter how much you improved afterwards, considering your age, you wouldn’t have any increases as enormous as you had before…”

[Deep Thought]

@Deep, I heavily doubt Piccolo would still think that they could be the androids Trunks was talking about if that were the case.
And as I pointed out, the last two quotes I provided implies Piccolo is still quite close to Vegeta. Unless you think Vegeta is still close to SSjin Goku on Namek...well.

Why would he doubt that? They are bio-mechanical organisms with extraordinary power, created by Dr. Gero, who wanted to kill Goku. What else would they be? Why would they assume that there would be more Androids? It's easy for the audience in hindsight to make that correlation but why would the characters assume extra factors? Two powerful Androids came at the date Trunks said, they wrecked havok and wanted to kill Goku, seems explanatory enough for me. As Vegeta said to Trunks, "If it's not the right android, then what the hell is it? Well?!" Trunks didn't mention anything about "fake" Androids. Futhermore:

Piccolo: "We were supposed to be killed by you two Androids. But whether you weren't as tough as we thought... or we grew too strong, the result is... the future has been changed!"

This quote seems to imply that Piccolo, almost arrogantly, thinks that they surpassed Trunk's expectations by a huge margin and even goes as far to suggest that the Androids weren't all that.

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Tenshinhan: “I don’t like that Piccolo and Vegeta have powered up so extraordinarily, but for now at least it’s a relief…”

This one? This just seems to imply that Piccolo and Vegeta both made such massive gains in a (relatively) short amount of time. If Piccolo was on par with Namek Arc Super Sayajin Goku, then that would mean that Piccolo got a 150x boost in power. It's not unreasonable to suggest that Vegeta got a similar boost (his base power could have easily tripled and he got the 50x Super Sayajin power-up). The thing is, though, the "starting" gap between Vegeta and Piccolo was fairly big, at least a two-fold discrepancy. Piccolo was a little stronger than 2nd form Freeza, whereas Vegeta had to be stronger than 3rd form Freeza to justify his belief that he could beat Freeza, even Vegeta's desperate blast even made final form Freeza sweat a little.

In order for Piccolo to be near Vegeta, he would have to get a 300x boost to match Vegeta's 150x. I detest the idea that Piccolo got that because Vegeta: A. trained and taxed himself to near-death B. is a Sayajin, who have made consistently bigger gains in power than Piccolo and C. got a massive transformation. Furthermore, Piccolo getting a 300x boost in power is unprecedented in the series by far, I don't even think that Super Sayajin Gohan after leave the RoSaT would be 300x stronger than Pre-RoSaT Gohan.