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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis: Wedding Dress Arc Update

Post by DNA » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:34 pm

soulnova wrote:I loved the wedding arc because Chichi actually looked capable and also for Annin. Strongest female character until 18 came around, right? LOL
True dat bro. Like I said, Annin kicks seven different kinds of ass (hint hint) and I love her look and outfit. Her somewhat carefree attitude is also pretty funny "Oh you want to turn the furnace off? All right, go right ahead if you want to unleash HELL ON EARTH. See if I fucking care."

Chi Chi had her moments but her personality is very distinct from what Toriyama showed us. I would prefer a mix between this and the later bitchy one. This one is too feminine and bland, the later one is too bitchy and annoying at times.

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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis: Wedding Dress Arc Update

Post by Insertclevername » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:19 pm

I agree with you about Chi-Chi. Personally, I think Toriyama got her right in the Boo saga, it was like all the notches were set in the right place. Not too annoying but understandably concerned. She just felt more like a real person (and mom for that matter) than she did prior.
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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis

Post by Sinestro » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:31 am

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The Bad Stuff:
  • - Some silly colouring mistakes like Gurdos eyes being coloured black when he first appears and Goku's hair also coloured black when he turns Super Saiyan.
    - Fights are over too quickly. Not sure if this is good or bad, but they fights could have been a bit more fleshed out, after all, these are the best fighters in the Afterlife.
    - At the end of episode 198 Paikuhan sees Goku transform and looks excited, at the beginning of episode 199 he looks nervous. He should have known about this before since Goku transformed in Hell. Even though thanks to the colouring mistake, one could argue that he didn't actually transform.
I remember hearing this:

Goku did indeed transform, as far as what was animated. But the creators wanted to keep Super Saiyan as surprise to Paikuhan. So, Goku's hair was colored black. And, of course... Goku shouldn't need to transform against the Ginyu Force.

I'm hoping someone else can confirm this story.

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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis: Wedding Dress Arc Update

Post by DNA » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:27 am

Well, the problem is that in that particular episode's preview, Goku appears as a Super Saiyan, no question about it; then, in the actual episode he appears with black hair. It also wasn't the first colouring mistake as I pointed out.

Sorry for the lack of updates guys, been concentrating in Super DBZ for the game topic and the colours topic.

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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis: Wedding Dress Arc Update

Post by Sinestro » Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:55 pm

DNA wrote:Well, the problem is that in that particular episode's preview, Goku appears as a Super Saiyan, no question about it; then, in the actual episode he appears with black hair. It also wasn't the first colouring mistake as I pointed out.

Sorry for the lack of updates guys, been concentrating in Super DBZ for the game topic and the colours topic.
I didn't know about that preview. Thanks, DNA.

And I love this thread.

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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis: Solo Training Arc Update

Post by DNA » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:06 pm

It's update time again baby, Solo Training Arc, awwww yeah!
For this one I'm forced to take a different approach since each episode can be view separate from all the others, there is no continuity between them. I'll just point out stuff instead.

In the first episode we get Ginkaku and Kinkaku terrorizing a small poor village already being plagued by draught, (get it? Terror and Plague?), what a couple of dick wads. Once again a little nod to Journey to the West which is always good to see. I don't really enjoy this episode that much as the characters and story are just not that enjoyable.. Although we get to see the mother fucking Tiger Bandit, shit yes!

Second episode and we are introduced to a proper typical Eastern Asian looking town. I appreciate this very much, I love the art style of the buildings, it you understand what I mean. This episode is mostly about a rivalry between two Martial Arts Schools, the Chin Style Dojo and the Hyoga Style Dojo. Here the characters are much more interesting with the stars being Hyoga Ten Long and Chin Taiken. I like seeing new techniques so I was quite happy with the respective Hyoga Senpukyaku and Chinke Seikyoku Ken(sp?). Ten Long is very strong and fast, but not as much as Goku, he's also kind of a douche but later admits defeat and joins the Chin Style Dojo to relearn and improve his technique. Phew, sure smells like Tenshinhan in here. A mug shot of a character that looks suspiciously like Ten Long is shown on the final eight fighters of the tournament in Galaxy at Brink.

This next episode starts nice and creepy kind of like an horror movie, but it still could be better, Princess Misa wakes up and hears footsteps, eventually she looks into the mirror and notices her reflection has her back turned to her (how creepy is THAT?), the reflection turns around and grabs her into the mirror. From there she somehow ended up in the Demon Realm. This could have been done much better if it was more creepy and horrifying, but you can't expect that much from a kids show I guess. Although I'm sure much more horrible things have been done in Sailor Moon.
First time seeing the (or an) actual Demon Realm and the guardians are the first Ox-Head and Horse-Face (directly from Chinese mythology) coupling in the franchise, Gora and Mera, years later we would have Goz and Mez in the actual Hell.
The door to the demon realm is held by a Shichishito, which is an interesting choice. It is said to belong to Shura. I've seen this sword before in other franchises, it's normally a mystical sword.
We see Yamcha training with Kuririn, Kame Style. It's kinda cool albeit just a short glimpse.
Gora and Mera say you need a permit from Enma-Daio and Kami-Sama in order to enter the demon realm, which is pretty funny considering how later on Goku is buddies with both of them. Actually you also need a permit to leave as well, so the demons can't freely go in and out although Shura has been breaking the rules.
Shura is a powerful opponent, and strangely appears to use sonic powers. He stops a Kamehameha by punching it, after being distracted. The only way Goku wins is because the light from the Kamehameha makes him flinch since these demons are susceptible to light. He's also a really good sport as even though he was utterly defeated he smiled about it and went back to partying with Gora and Mera.
The demon army is the same as Lucifer's demon army from The Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle, which would be fine if it was acknowledged in any way a at all, like some mention of Lucifer or anything at all.
Personally I view it this way, after Lucifer was killed and the Devil's Hand and Castle mostly destroyed, the demons moved back to where they came from, the Demon Realm, because they would be safer there from natural light. Then this ass hole Shura took over as main boss man.

Now for this episode we get a little bit of back story behind Kame Sennin and Tsuru Sennin, mainly that they used to be friends and raised Inoshikacho together. Inoshikacho is a huge purple boar with deer antlers and butterfly wings. He is pretty sweet in my opinion. Also Goku meets a girl named Tenmen who's super cute. Tenshinhan and Jiaozi have been conning people by using Inoshikacho to rampage around and then coming in and claiming to get rid of him and collecting money for it. This episode mostly serves to show us how much of a scum bag both Tenshinhan and Chaozu were at this point, although conning for money is very different from their actually personalities. What I don't like about it is that it spoils their actual début in the following arc.

The final episode has Goku trying to get to the tournament grounds in Papaya Island. He runs into Konkichi, a trouble fox pre-teen. The bulk of the episode is about how Konkichi is a trouble magnet and how nobody likes him. Because we should care. It's one of them neutral episodes that belongs in a Saturday Morning type of cartoon.

This whole arc should be called Douche Bag Arc.

Hope you liked this :D
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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis: Solo Training Arc Update

Post by Sinestro » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:20 pm

Nice work, DNA!

You're bring back memories!

And you're making me want to finish the Dragonball portion of the anime. I stopped before the (probably) final episode of the last tournament. I got distracted with other stuff and never went back!

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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis: Solo Training Arc Update

Post by soulnova » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:57 pm

Ah, that arc.

:| I think I skipped it when re-watching the series. I just watched the Inoshikacho episode for Tien and Chaoz before going directly to the Tournament. xP Wasn't in mood of filler, I guess.

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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis: Solo Training Arc Update

Post by Daimakku » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:51 pm

Nice review DNA! I just got done with the Solo Training arc. This is the first time since watching from episode 01 of DB that I've felt are real filler episodes. You can just tell the story writing is subpar at best in these five episodes. The only one I really hated like that was the Demon Realm episode, if only because I felt the animation in that episode was simply terrible. It looked like a cheap Bible edutainment short from the early 80s.

I didn't really mind the story from the Inoshikacho episode, except that they got the characters for Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu totally wrong. They don't con people like that. They have more honor than that. WTF, Toei? :eh:

Anyway, on to the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai! :D

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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis: Solo Training Arc Update

Post by Victorious » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:43 pm

DNA wrote:It's update time again baby, Solo Training Arc, awwww yeah!
For this one I'm forced to take a different approach since each episode can be view separate from all the others, there is no continuity between them. I'll just point out stuff instead.

In the first episode we get Ginkaku and Kinkaku terrorizing a small poor village already being plagued by draught, (get it? Terror and Plague?), what a couple of dick wads. Once again a little nod to Journey to the West which is always good to see. I don't really enjoy this episode that much as the characters and story are just not that enjoyable.. Although we get to see the mother fucking Tiger Bandit, shit yes!

Second episode and we are introduced to a proper typical Eastern Asian looking town. I appreciate this very much, I love the art style of the buildings, it you understand what I mean. This episode is mostly about a rivalry between two Martial Arts Schools, the Chin Style Dojo and the Hyoga Style Dojo. Here the characters are much more interesting with the stars being Hyoga Ten Long and Chin Taiken. I like seeing new techniques so I was quite happy with the respective Hyoga Senpukyaku and Chinke Seikyoku Ken(sp?). Ten Long is very strong and fast, but not as much as Goku, he's also kind of a douche but later admits defeat and joins the Chin Style Dojo to relearn and improve his technique. Phew, sure smells like Tenshinhan in here. A mug shot of a character that looks suspiciously like Ten Long is shown on the final eight fighters of the tournament in Galaxy at Brink.

This next episode starts nice and creepy kind of like an horror movie, but it still could be better, Princess Misa wakes up and hears footsteps, eventually she looks into the mirror and notices her reflection has her back turned to her (how creepy is THAT?), the reflection turns around and grabs her into the mirror. From there she somehow ended up in the Demon Realm. This could have been done much better if it was more creepy and horrifying, but you can't expect that much from a kids show I guess. Although I'm sure much more horrible things have been done in Sailor Moon.
First time seeing the (or an) actual Demon Realm and the guardians are the first Ox-Head and Horse-Face (directly from Chinese mythology) coupling in the franchise, Gora and Mera, years later we would have Goz and Mez in the actual Hell.
The door to the demon realm is held by a Shichishito, which is an interesting choice. It is said to belong to Shura. I've seen this sword before in other franchises, it's normally a mystical sword.
We see Yamcha training with Kuririn, Kame Style. It's kinda cool albeit just a short glimpse.
Gora and Mera say you need a permit from Enma-Daio and Kami-Sama in order to enter the demon realm, which is pretty funny considering how later on Goku is buddies with both of them. Actually you also need a permit to leave as well, so the demons can't freely go in and out although Shura has been breaking the rules.
Shura is a powerful opponent, and strangely appears to use sonic powers. He stops a Kamehameha by punching it, after being distracted. The only way Goku wins is because the light from the Kamehameha makes him flinch since these demons are susceptible to light. He's also a really good sport as even though he was utterly defeated he smiled about it and went back to partying with Gora and Mera.
The demon army is the same as Lucifer's demon army from The Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle, which would be fine if it was acknowledged in any way a at all, like some mention of Lucifer or anything at all.
Personally I view it this way, after Lucifer was killed and the Devil's Hand and Castle mostly destroyed, the demons moved back to where they came from, the Demon Realm, because they would be safer there from natural light. Then this ass hole Shura took over as main boss man.

Now for this episode we get a little bit of back story behind Kame Sennin and Tsuru Sennin, mainly that they used to be friends and raised Inoshikacho together. Inoshikacho is a huge purple boar with deer antlers and butterfly wings. He is pretty sweet in my opinion. Also Goku meets a girl named Tenmen who's super cute. Tenshinhan and Jiaozi have been conning people by using Inoshikacho to rampage around and then coming in and claiming to get rid of him and collecting money for it. This episode mostly serves to show us how much of a scum bag both Tenshinhan and Chaozu were at this point, although conning for money is very different from their actually personalities. What I don't like about it is that it spoils their actual début in the following arc.

The final episode has Goku trying to get to the tournament grounds in Papaya Island. He runs into Konkichi, a trouble fox pre-teen. The bulk of the episode is about how Konkichi is a trouble magnet and how nobody likes him. Because we should care. It's one of them neutral episodes that belongs in a Saturday Morning type of cartoon.

This whole arc should be called Douche Bag Arc.

Hope you liked this :D
There is only one arc to go but I'm thinking of going through a few filler episodes and stuff if you guys want me to. Although I might discontinue this as a whole in favour of something else I'm planning with Zykar. Just give me your feedback and I'll see what I'll do.
I really didnt think think the early introduction to Tenshinhan and Chaouzu was necessary. This is a weak filler arc IMO, the only thing I particularly liked was the 2nd episode of the two rival martial arts schools.

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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis: Solo Training Arc Update

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:54 pm

Toei was going to do the Solo Training Arc anyway, so I'm quite glad they took the time to build up Tenshinhan and Chaozu. The creative additions throughout the 1986 series were always some of my favorites. I wonder if this was something Okazaki brought to the table as the Series Director? Early Dragon Ball Z (where Okazaki only acts as an occasional episode director) still had the same creative sense to it, so I'm wondering if the creativity on the 1986 adaption was Okazaki or Nishio? Either way, fun stuff all around, espicially the Hokuto no Ken-inspired Ginkaku and Kinkaku episode.

I have to agree on the love for the Tenlong episode, too. It's always nice seeing the series indulge in martial artsy tributes, so I was glad we got to see more here. The Shura episode was a lot of fun too thanks to casting Gouri Daisuke and Furukawa Toshio as two of the new characters.
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Re: DNA's Filler Arc analysis: Annoucement

Post by DNA » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:02 pm

Hi guys, a big announcement here.
This whole analysis project is hereby finished and cancelled.
All the analysis and reviews will be expanded and covered in my new project: Shen Long's Dragon Balls
Me and Zykar will be covering every single arc, hopefully covering what is blatantly filler within a non-filler arc. We are still sort of starting so be gentle ^^'

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