Dabura >=< Perfect Cell(Not Super Perfect)?

[Saiga]

And Mecha Freeza wasn't as strong as 100% Freeza.

Neither was Cold, for that matter.

But I still believe Dabra was equal to or stronger than Cell, just not because he's a measuring stick.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

And Mecha Freeza wasn't as strong as 100% Freeza.

Neither was Cold, for that matter.

But I still believe Dabra was equal to or stronger than Cell, just not because he's a measuring stick.

Wait, wait; Freeza 100% was stronger than Mecha?

I thought the whole plot dazzle was to show he'd gotten frighteningly stronger, came to Earth, only to get man-handled by another Super Saiya-Jin. I mean, it makes sense he'd lose his original power, but really stupid on Freeza's part... Also, even if you're saying he didn't use his full power against Trunks, maybe this is just Kai being incorrect, but didn't Trunks coax him to use his full power, which happened to be the death ball, which Trunks lifted with ease and continued by obliterating Freeza like butter?

[Bussani]

Wait, wait; Freeza 100% was stronger than Mecha?

I thought the whole plot dazzle was to show he'd gotten frighteningly stronger, came to Earth, only to get man-handled by another Super Saiya-Jin. I mean, it makes sense he'd lose his original power, but really stupid on Freeza's part... Also, even if you're saying he didn't use his full power against Trunks, maybe this is just Kai being incorrect, but didn't Trunks coax him to use his full power, which happened to be the death ball, which Trunks lifted with ease and continued by obliterating Freeza like butter?

I think what he meant was that Gohan said that the power they felt from Mecha Freeza was "nothing" and that he could get "much worse than this", implying that Freeza hadn't brought out his full power. Freeza himself seemed to think he was stronger as a cyborg.

[Fox666]

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[CaBrPi]

Freeza isn't bulked-up like when he used 100% of his power before, of course.

But if he bulked up, what would happen to his cybernetics?

[Fox666]

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[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Yeah, it was mentioned more than once that Freeza wasn't using all of his power.

Gohan: “This isn’t it…he gets much, much stronger…!”

Trunks: “Come at me at full power right from the start. I’m not soft like Son Goku…”

Besides Freeza isn't bulked-up like when he used 100% of his power before, of course.

I think it's possible he was using full power when he launched the Death Ball, but it failed miserably because a Super Saiya-Jin was just that much more powerful. I mean, Gokuu was 150 million compared to his 120. (Sorry this is off-topic, but I really want to hear peoples' opinions on this.)

As for his muscles growing, I imagine the cybernetics eliminated that organic deficiency, especially since there was little to bulk up.

[mattymoron]

Cell was only Super Perfect for a VERY brief period of time, and only after Goku had died. To me, whenever they think of "Cell", for the most part they're probably thinking of Perfect Cell, as he was during the period leading up to the Cell Games and during Goku's and the first part of Gohan's fight. This makes the most sense to me, as it would explain why Gohan didn't feel the need to go beyond Super Saiyan.

[Rocketman]

Also Mecha Freeza using the Death Ball is filler.

[TheMightyOzaru]

isn't it stated somewhere that Mecha Freeza is stronger than he was before?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Yeah, Mecha Freeza states he's more powerful than before a few times. The Daizenshuu mentions this as well.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Also Mecha Freeza using the Death Ball is filler.

Are you sure? I thought I specifically remember him doing it in the manga. Either way, he might have still been using full power, but I guess this really hurts my case. Although I think it would sort of ruin the grand point that another Super Saiya-Jin was here and to show that there were enemies even greater than the terror of Freeza.

[hleV]

Yeah, Mecha Freeza didn't use that Supernova/Death Ball/whatever attack in the manga.

[CaBrPi]

Yeah. In the manga, Freeza only used the very first beam attack, and then Trunks fired his decoy shot to get Freeza to jump.

[Fox666]

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[Rocketman]

Even if MechaFreeza was at 50%, he's still unbeatable by anybody who isn't a Super Saiyan.

[Gokuden]

I remember buying video games, and action figures which stated that mecha freeza was stronger due to the parts he had placed on him by the best scientists in the galaxy.
Why would you come to Earth weaker than your former self which got obliterated by a Super Saiyan, only to be whipped again by that same Saiyan?
The only way I could see this working if Mecha Freeza were weaker is if he came to Earth on a suicide mission planning to kill Goku's friends and family, and then brace himself for his inevitable demise. But no, he had plans to conquer the planet, and brought his men.

Why would he bring his father just to get him killed as well?

Back on topic: I think Dabura is stronger than what we give him credit for, and he's not really a bad guy, he's all bark and no bite, I mean King Yenma sent him to Heaven! He's also King of the Underworld, which I thought Yenma was. Maybe Yenma holds a smaller district of Hell, wait Demon world vs Hell...
He didn't kill anyone either.

[Kaboom]

I remember buying video games, and action figures which stated that mecha freeza was stronger due to the parts he had placed on him by the best scientists in the galaxy.
Why would you come to Earth weaker than your former self which got obliterated by a Super Saiyan, only to be whipped again by that same Saiyan?
The only way I could see this working if Mecha Freeza were weaker is if he came to Earth on a suicide mission planning to kill Goku's friends and family, and then brace himself for his inevitable demise. But no, he had plans to conquer the planet, and brought his men.
Why would he bring his father just to get him killed as well?

True, Mecha-Freeza at full power probably would be stronger than his prior all-organic self at full power, but I think the point others have made is we're not sure if Freeza powered up or not before Trunks killed him off.

[Dabra] didn't kill anyone either.

Well, I guess Kibito didn't stay dead...

[Fox666]

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[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Mecha-Freeza isn't the Hulk.