Gohan Strongest Unfused character.

[MDSTSSJ]

And your reason of assuming Gohan lost his Ultimate form is...?

Because:

Becomes a lazy caracter after the Cell saga and even more after Boo saga. 0 training!

He have other ambitions.

Not interested in fightings anymore.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

And your reason of assuming Gohan lost his Ultimate form is...?

Because:

Becomes a lazy caracter after the Cell saga and even more after Boo saga. 0 training!

He have other ambitions.

Not interested in fightings anymore.

I'm fairly convinced Chi-Chi mind psyched Gohan into being a book nerd, because if I remember correctly, he ENJOYED fighting before the Cell Saga.

[TheSonofKakarrot]

It was never stated in an interview but fairly easy to conclude.

Goku states that Super Boo would kill him (and Vegeta) without a problem.
SSJ3 Gotenks was on the verge of killing Super Boo
Gohan toys with Super Boo
Its stated Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks

One other thing to note that people forget is that Goku isn't strong enough to beat Piccolo Boo while Gohan was.

"Now that you're in this form, Gohan can take care of you without having to go through the trouble of fusion."

[Saiga]

How was I?

Placing Goku not far from "Ultimate" Gohan or Gotenks, that's what bad fanaticism is.

Unless "far" from something by your definition means 8-10x stronger/weaker.

Because that comment immediately followed you defending the 8-10x gap, I misunderstood and thought you were doing a reversal. My apologies.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

It was never stated in an interview but fairly easy to conclude.

Goku states that Super Boo would kill him (and Vegeta) without a problem.
SSJ3 Gotenks was on the verge of killing Super Boo
Gohan toys with Super Boo
Its stated Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks

One other thing to note that people forget is that Goku isn't strong enough to beat Piccolo Boo while Gohan was.

"Now that you're in this form, Gohan can take care of you without having to go through the trouble of fusion."

Yes even Goku's quotes are enough evidence for this. Thanks for clarifying.

[CaBrPi]

And your reason of assuming Gohan lost his Ultimate form is...?

Because:

Becomes a lazy caracter after the Cell saga and even more after Boo saga. 0 training!

He have other ambitions.

Not interested in fightings anymore.

But we don't have any reason to assume that Gohan simply lost the powerup through neglecting his training. There's no precedent for it.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

And your reason of assuming Gohan lost his Ultimate form is...?

Because:

Becomes a lazy caracter after the Cell saga and even more after Boo saga. 0 training!

He have other ambitions.

Not interested in fightings anymore.

But we don't have any reason to assume that Gohan simply lost the powerup through neglecting his training. There's no precedent for it.

I suppose there would be no reason to lose that form... I mean after 7 years Gohan was still able to transform to SSJ2 without a struggle. Well Goku did it with the flex of his arm muscles but just saying, Gohan would not have had his SSJ2 either if this was the case.

[MDSTSSJ]

And your reason of assuming Gohan lost his Ultimate form is...?

Because:

Becomes a lazy caracter after the Cell saga and even more after Boo saga. 0 training!

He have other ambitions.

Not interested in fightings anymore.

I'm fairly convinced Chi-Chi mind psyched Gohan into being a book nerd, because if I remember correctly, he ENJOYED fighting before the Cell Saga.

Yes you're right!!

[MDSTSSJ]

And your reason of assuming Gohan lost his Ultimate form is...?

Because:

Becomes a lazy caracter after the Cell saga and even more after Boo saga. 0 training!

He have other ambitions.

Not interested in fightings anymore.

But we don't have any reason to assume that Gohan simply lost the powerup through neglecting his training. There's no precedent for it.

Mmm Gohan has 2 options to get that hidden power: One via Elder Kaioshin's and two, via training through time and getting angry.

After 7 years Gohan was still able to transform to SSJ2 but Vegeta realizes that Gohan have less powers than before.

If you don't train, you become weak. That happens in real life!

Cheers

[Rocketman]

Rage of the Gods Gohan isn't a training-created powerup, though. It was a divine gift, there's no reason to assume it vanishes any more than the Holy Water powerup or the unlocking that Namek's Elder gave Gohan and Krillin.

[MDSTSSJ]

Rage of the Gods Gohan isn't a training-created powerup, though. It was a divine gift, there's no reason to assume it vanishes any more than the Holy Water powerup or the unlocking that Namek's Elder gave Gohan and Krillin.

Mmm for me ( I'm not against what you think ), the power of Gohan is not a divine gift. For me, it is Gohan true hidden power that was quickly unlocked by Elder Kaio. If not so, why we seen Gohan transform into a SSJ again?

Cheers

[Rocketman]

power that was quickly unlocked by Elder Kaio.

Who is the King of the Gods doing something for free. So it was a divine gift.

If not so, why we seen Gohan transform into a SSJ again? :problem:

Because ~*~*~*~*~*GOKUUUUUUUUU*~*~*~*~*~ has to be the best for some stupid fucking reason.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Ssj3 Son Goku > Ultimate Gohan.

Might I ask how you've come to that conclusion?

I'd rather not explain. This debate always turns into a never ending argument and I know what it's about. All I will say is that if Gohan were strongest, then it would have been stated like it was in the Cell games. I will also say that people who agree with Goku > Gohan have not just the manga, but the anime and daizenshuu to support them. All 3 sources fitting their view.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

power that was quickly unlocked by Elder Kaio.

Who is the King of the Gods doing something for free. So it was a divine gift.

If not so, why we seen Gohan transform into a SSJ again?

Because ~*~*~*~*~*GOKUUUUUUUUU*~*~*~*~*~ has to be the best for some stupid fucking reason.

I love how Toriyama is involved in the story and it still has Goku > Gohan just as movie 13 did. Funny how it works. This just goes to show that Toriyama already had Goku > Gohan to begin with in the Buu saga and he truly did feel that Gohan was not suited to be the hero compared to Goku. If it's not stated that Gohan lost his ritual power, then he didn't lose it. Nobody ever said that he can't go ssj anymore. Perhaps we will find out in the movie.

[Bussani]

This movie is supposed to be canon so that is sort of a non-point. Toriyama is behind so that bias probably isn't very prevalent.

Canon is a complicated thing. Toriyama's involvement isn't going to guarantee that everyone will accept it as part of a particular canon. Some people may even have more than one canon. To put it simply, the existence of the movie doesn't mean people suddenly aren't allowed to analyse the manga as a standalone entity.

Mike's blog-post is a good read on the matter.

[AnimeMaakuo]

Remember, Toriyama is not writing the script for this movie. He may be involved, but it's Yūsuke Watanabe who is literally writing it. That gives plenty of fans plenty of reasons to disregard any statements or showcases of strength within the movie.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

power that was quickly unlocked by Elder Kaio.

Who is the King of the Gods doing something for free. So it was a divine gift.

If not so, why we seen Gohan transform into a SSJ again?

Because ~*~*~*~*~*GOKUUUUUUUUU*~*~*~*~*~ has to be the best for some stupid fucking reason.

I love how Toriyama is involved in the story and it still has Goku > Gohan just as movie 13 did. Funny how it works. This just goes to show that Toriyama already had Goku > Gohan to begin with in the Buu saga and he truly did feel that Gohan was not suited to be the hero compared to Goku. If it's not stated that Gohan lost his ritual power, then he didn't lose it. Nobody ever said that he can't go ssj anymore. Perhaps we will find out in the movie.

I wouldn't go as far as saying Goku > Gohan in the Buu Saga. Movies, perhaps. But thats a different story. But one thing is certain; years have passed in this movie, and we know he doesn't train. He's probably in college in Battle Of Gods LOL

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I will also say that people who agree with Goku > Gohan have not just the manga, but the anime and daizenshuu to support them. All 3 sources fitting their view.

I am sure that I talked only about the manga in my previous post.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Ssj3 Son Goku > Ultimate Gohan.

Might I ask how you've come to that conclusion?

I'd rather not explain. This debate always turns into a never ending argument and I know what it's about. All I will say is that if Gohan were strongest, then it would have been stated like it was in the Cell games. I will also say that people who agree with Goku > Gohan have not just the manga, but the anime and daizenshuu to support them. All 3 sources fitting their view.

If Kid Buu were stronger than Super Buu; than I'd agree with the opposite argument. But as of now, we have nothing to support Goku being stronger than Gohan in the Buu Saga.

Come up with some quotes if you think they help.