So, Vegeta has become "pure hearted" after Kid Buu?

[Draken]

Whatever happened to the "pure of heart" to become a SSJ?

We see 5 Super Saiyans in the manga (without counting merged results & future versions of characters). Goku was pure, Vegeta was pure evil, Gohan was pure, and Goten & Trunks are born with the ability to transform in early age.

So with Goten and Trunks it was just completely tossed out the window? There was no requirement for them besides just being "born" with it?

[ABED]

The pure of heart thing seems more like an assumption made by the characters.

[Kamiccolo9]

The pure of heart thing seems more like an assumption made by the characters.

Yeah. Isn't it Krillin who mentions it? How would he know?

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

I still prefer to believe he's still pure evil but has just obtained a liking for some/ most of the Zetto Senshi cast and chooses not to spill any more blood on their behalf. I mean, Vegeta didn't really seem at all evil when he became SSJ in the Androids Arc, just really selfish, yet it's suggested that he was pure evil hearted, and it kind of works. You can live with psychopaths, sociopaths, maniacs, etc. without them killing people or breaking the law. lol

[Kamiccolo9]

I still prefer to believe he's still pure evil but has just obtained a liking for some/ most of the Zetto Senshi cast and chooses not to spill any more blood on their behalf. I mean, Vegeta didn't really seem at all evil when he became SSJ in the Androids Arc, just really selfish, yet it's suggested that he was pure evil hearted, and it kind of works. You can live with psychopaths, sociopaths, maniacs, etc. without them killing people or breaking the law. lol

Well, I guess it depends on if you think a pure evil being is capable of love. In the Buu Arc, it's clear that he loves Bulma and Trunks. Freeza, Cell, and Buu were pure evil, and we didn't see them loving anyone else.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Well, Freeza possibly cared for his father the same/ similar reason Vegeta did for Bulma/ Trunks (it's possible he was just 'acting' so he could finally live-up to how he perceived Gokuu;) and Aku Buu still cared about Mr. Satan. I think pure evil people have the ability to "like" people, for whatever, selfish reasons.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well, Freeza possibly cared for his father the same/ similar reason Vegeta did for Bulma/ Trunks (it's possible he was just 'acting' so he could finally live-up to how he perceived Gokuu;) and Aku Buu still cared about Mr. Satan. I think pure evil people have the ability to "like" people, for whatever, selfish reasons.

Well, Evil Buu only cared about Mr. Satan because of the influence of the good Buu inside him. And only while he was calm; he didn't have any qualms about eating Mr. Satan's daughter after escaping the Room of Space and Time. Once he's spit out, Pure Buu is perfectly willing to kill him. Frieza's kinda iffy, but maybe. And apparently, in the new movie, Vegeta becomes enraged when Bulma is struck by Birisu, and is able to get a rage boost similar to Gohan's. I think it's pretty apparent that he really loves them.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

He also appeared to care for Gohan when he thought he had died in the Boo arc. I would definetly say he isn't pure evil. He was wished back by the dragon balls because he wasn't "extremely evil".

[Saiga]

The pure of heart thing seems more like an assumption made by the characters.

I feel the same way. I can't see Android Arc Vegeta being pure evil.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I can't see Android Arc Vegeta being pure evil.

Why? He was training to kill Goku, and he was co-operating with the Z-Senshi to kill Freeza & the Artificial Humans. He didn't care about Bulma at that point, and didn't know anything about Trunks.

[Saiga]

I can't see Android Arc Vegeta being pure evil.

Why? He was training to kill Goku, and he was co-operating with the Z-Senshi to kill Freeza & the Artificial Humans. He didn't care about Bulma at that point, and didn't know anything about Trunks.

I'm not saying he wasn't evil, but pure evil is stretching it. Pure evil would be using the Dragon Balls in that time for immortality and then killing the fuck out of everyone who stood in his way. He could have easily done so but chose not to. Plus it wasn't long after that the he started caring about future Trunks, so I think he had to already be on his way at that point.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'm not saying he wasn't evil, but pure evil is stretching it. Pure evil would be using the Dragon Balls in that time for immortality and then killing the fuck out of everyone who stood in his way. He could have easily done so but chose not to. Plus it wasn't long after that the he started caring about future Trunks, so I think he had to already be on his way at that point.

He didn't bother to destroy Earth because he was obsessed about Super Saiyan at that point, and he was also using them for things like Gravity Room. He didn't want immortality, because he wanted to kill Goku, a low-class, with his own power. And as for Trunks, everyone changes when he learns that he has a kid. Not to mention that we don't know how much time had passed since when he achieved Super Saiyan.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

He didn't really care about anyone at the start of the android arc if it wasn't for Mirai Trunks, Bulma and baby Trunks would have died. I think he was pure evil at the start. Even when he figured out Mirai Trunks was his kid he didn't care for a while.

[Saiga]

He didn't bother to destroy Earth because he was obsessed about Super Saiyan at that point, and he was also using them for things like Gravity Room. He didn't want immortality, because he wanted to kill Goku, a low-class, with his own power. And as for Trunks, everyone changes when he learns that he has a kid. Not to mention that we don't know how much time had passed since when he achieved Super Saiyan.

He just seems too tame for me to accept that he's pure evil. Also, I should have mentioned that regardless of Vegeta I never thought of the pure heart thing as being a real requirement, which is part of why I don't believe he's pure evil since I don't think he has to be.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Freeza is arguably tame as a Machiavellian prince.

[ABED]

Freeza is arguably tame as a Machiavellian prince.

How so?

[Saiga]

Freeza isn't anything close to tame. He kills too often and is too sadistic.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Kind of like Vegeta.

[Kamiccolo9]

Except everyone accepts that Freeza is worse than Vegeta. Krillin and Gohan are willing to give him immortality, so they'll have a chance against Freeza. What would be the point if Vegeta is just as bad? I don't see Vegeta as any worse than the other Saiyans. He is a product of his culture; Freeza is a monster.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

They did it because they had no choice, and they were deluded by his desperation. Vegeta's probably murdered more than Freeza; he killed Nappa, his own race.