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Eh, I don't know why I have one. I guess it's kind of fun to make your own timeline specific to how you want it. It's just a nerdy thing I can't quite describe.
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Fair enough. I guess the same can be said for a lot of things fans do xDInsertclevername wrote:Eh, I don't know why I have one. I guess it's kind of fun to make your own timeline specific to how you want it. It's just a nerdy thing I can't quite describe.
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Considering something non-canon doesn't affect how much I enjoy them. But it's nice to have a mai, consistent continuity.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Ah, I see where I made it confusing. By "manga" I meant only the main series.hleV wrote:The fact that originally, Trunks was already a Super Saiyan before Gohan died.Zephyr wrote:What issues would arise from trying to fit them into the same continuity?
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Re: What's your personal canon (again)?
Quick question: why is the Bardock special usually considered canon by fans when the movies (even ones that could theoretically fit like 1, 5, 9, and 13) aren't? The Bardock special has more inconsistencies than those films, for one thing. And I'm not talking about Bardock himself, but specifically the special; anything about Bardock other than that he existed and looked like Goku.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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If I remember right, Toriyama said in an interview that he liked the special, and that's why he included Bardock in the manga. Granted, that doesn't necessarily make the special part of Toriyama's story, but that's probably why people give it a pass?
A bit off topic, but about movie 1--how do you account for Kuririn meeting Gohan and then not knowing about him when Raditz shows up?
A bit off topic, but about movie 1--how do you account for Kuririn meeting Gohan and then not knowing about him when Raditz shows up?
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I'm pretty sure it's because the special is referenced in the manga.
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Toriyama liked GT too...If I remember right, Toriyama said in an interview that he liked the special, and that's why he included Bardock in the manga. Granted, that doesn't necessarily make the special part of Toriyama's story, but that's probably why people give it a pass?
A bit off topic, but about movie 1--how do you account for Kuririn meeting Gohan and then not knowing about him when Raditz shows up?
Anyway... I don't, really. I'm kind of generous about that; Movies 5, 9 and 13 can fit in with pretty much no problems, but Movie 1 has this one minor inconsistency. I just think that this one minor inconsistency doesn't completely erase it like the huge gaping impossibilities in the other movies. The villain of this movie also got his own filler saga, so it's at least canon in anime-land.
Plus, it's not that big of a deal compared to, say, Bardock breathing in space, or the meeting with Grandpa Gohan being changed in that same special. The special also depicts him as a powerful warrior. In reality, he was an average fighter, but a brilliant scientist.
Exactly one thing about the special was referenced in the manga: that Goku's dad's name was Bardock. Nothing else, except the basic stuff Raditz said about him (that he worked for Freeza, that he looked like Goku, and that he died with Planet Vegeta).I'm pretty sure it's because the special is referenced in the manga.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Fair enough.RandomGuy96 wrote:Anyway... I don't, really. I'm kind of generous about that; Movies 5, 9 and 13 can fit in with pretty much no problems, but Movie 1 has this one minor inconsistency. I just think that this one minor inconsistency doesn't completely erase it like the huge gaping impossibilities in the other movies. The villain of this movie also got his own filler saga, so it's at least canon in anime-land.
All of that's true. I'd also be one to argue that one panel and Toriyama liking it doesn't mean it has to be canon. But it's enough for some people, and that's fine.Exactly one thing about the special was referenced in the manga: that Goku's dad looked like him. Nothing else was mentioned. In fact, the special isn't really referenced at all, since all that panel revealed (that he worked for Freeza and looked like Goku) were things that Raditz said about his father at the beginning of the manga.
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Re: What's your personal canon (again)?
Oh, I'm not saying it isn't fine. I have it as part of my personal canon. I just wonder why people usually hold the events of Bardock: Father of Goku in higher esteem than the movies when there's nothing really different about how they fit into the canon. The only information we got about him in the manga that came from the special is his name. Everything else about that special was, for lack of a better term, anime filler.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: What's your personal canon (again)?
The Bardock Special has more inconsistencies than the movies?!RandomGuy96 wrote:Quick question: why is the Bardock special usually considered canon by fans when the movies (even ones that could theoretically fit like 1, 5, 9, and 13) aren't? The Bardock special has more inconsistencies than those films, for one thing. And I'm not talking about Bardock himself, but specifically the special; anything about Bardock other than that he existed and looked like Goku.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: What's your personal canon (again)?
Than those movies. Like saiyans breathing in space, the meeting between Gohan and Goku being changed, the fact that it leads into Episode of Bardock, Vegeta's location at the time of Vegeta's destruction (it only contradicts filler, yes, but this special basically is filler), and Goku confronting first form Freeza when he only ever saw Freeza in his final form.The Bardock Special has more inconsistencies than the movies?!
Compared to Movies 1, 5, 9, and 13, which have at most one minor inconsistency each (and even that's pretty debatable for three of them), yeah, the Bardock special is definitely worse.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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I'd say those are debatable.
Some say it's the upper atmosphere that Bardock's clash with Freeza and his soldiers take place. It's never downright stated it's space.
What do you mean the meeting between Gohan and Goku being changed? I don't think it was anyway.
Vegeta's location at the time of destruction of Vegeta... the special aired before that episode of DBZ I believe so the series got it wrong.
As for Goku and Freeza in his first form, it could be just some dying delusion Bardock has as he's dying.
And the special leading into the Episode of Bardock isn't an issue at all. It's EOB's issue if anything.
Some say it's the upper atmosphere that Bardock's clash with Freeza and his soldiers take place. It's never downright stated it's space.
What do you mean the meeting between Gohan and Goku being changed? I don't think it was anyway.
Vegeta's location at the time of destruction of Vegeta... the special aired before that episode of DBZ I believe so the series got it wrong.
As for Goku and Freeza in his first form, it could be just some dying delusion Bardock has as he's dying.
And the special leading into the Episode of Bardock isn't an issue at all. It's EOB's issue if anything.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.
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Re: What's your personal canon (again)?
Bardock was shown is space in the manga as well, and since Goku is fighting in the space as well in BoG (story written by Toriyama), it seems that Bardock & Goku were close enough to Planet Vegeta/Earth to breath.RandomGuy96 wrote:saiyans breathing in space
We don't see their first meeting anywhere, and we don't know many details about Goku's behavior. Maybe Goku seemed like a cute baby in the beginning, but a few days later he turned into a devil.RandomGuy96 wrote:the meeting between Gohan and Goku being changed
So?RandomGuy96 wrote:the fact that it leads into Episode of Bardock
What filler?RandomGuy96 wrote:Vegeta's location at the time of Vegeta's destruction (it only contradicts filler, yes, but this special basically is filler)
That was just a general prediction that Goku will fight Freeza.RandomGuy96 wrote:Goku confronting first form Freeza when he only ever saw Freeza in his final form.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: What's your personal canon (again)?
I have 3 personal canons
The "Mangaverse"
Dr. Slump
Dragon Ball
Dragon Ball Z
Neko Majin Z
The Expanded Universe
Legend: • = movie, - = manga, * = game
• Bardock - The Father of Goku
• Episode of Bardock
Dr. Slump & Arale (Episodes 1~243)
Dragon Ball
Emperor Pilaf Saga (Episodes 1~13)
Tournament Saga (Episodes 14~28)
Red Ribbon Army Saga (Episodes 29~45)
General Blue Saga (Episodes 46~57)
Commander Red Saga (Episodes 58~67)
Fortuneteller Baba Saga (Episodes 68~83)
Tien Shinhan Saga (Episodes 84~101)
King Piccolo Saga (Episodes 102~122)
Piccolo Jr. Saga (Episodes 123~153)
Dragon Ball Z
• Dead Zone
Saiyan:
Vegeta Saga (Episodes 1~35)
Frieza:
Namek Saga (Episodes 36~67)
Captain Ginyu Saga (Episodes 68~74)
Frieza Saga (Episodes 75~107)
Cell:
Garlic Jr. Saga (Episodes 108~117)
• The History of Trunks
Trunks Saga (Episodes 118~125)
• The World's Strongest
• The Tree of Might
• Lord Slug
• Cooler's Revenge
• Super Android 13
Androids Saga (Episodes 126~139)
Imperfect Cell Saga (Episodes 140~152)
Perfect Cell Saga (Episodes 153~165)
• Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan
• The Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans
Cell Games Saga (Episodes 166~194)
• Bojack Unbound
Buu:
Great Saiyaman Saga (Episodes 195~209)
• Broly - Second Coming
World Tournament Saga (Episodes 210~219)
Babidi Saga (Episodes 220~231)
Majin Buu Saga (Episodes 232~253)
• Bio-Broly
Fusion Saga (Episodes 254~275)
Kid Buu Saga (Episodes 276~291)
• Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!
• Wrath of the Dragon
* Shin Budokai
* Shin Budokai 2: Another Road
• Battle of Gods
- Neko Majin Z
Dragon Ball GT
Black Star Dragon Ball Saga (Episodes 1~16)
Baby Saga (Episodes 17~40)
Super 17 Saga (Episodes 41~47)
Shadow Dragon Saga (Episodes 48~64)
• A Hero's Legacy
*Dragon Ball Online
Kai canon
New Dr. Slump
Dragon Ball Z Kai
The "Mangaverse"
Dr. Slump
Dragon Ball
Dragon Ball Z
Neko Majin Z
The Expanded Universe
Legend: • = movie, - = manga, * = game
• Bardock - The Father of Goku
• Episode of Bardock
Dr. Slump & Arale (Episodes 1~243)
Dragon Ball
Emperor Pilaf Saga (Episodes 1~13)
Tournament Saga (Episodes 14~28)
Red Ribbon Army Saga (Episodes 29~45)
General Blue Saga (Episodes 46~57)
Commander Red Saga (Episodes 58~67)
Fortuneteller Baba Saga (Episodes 68~83)
Tien Shinhan Saga (Episodes 84~101)
King Piccolo Saga (Episodes 102~122)
Piccolo Jr. Saga (Episodes 123~153)
Dragon Ball Z
• Dead Zone
Saiyan:
Vegeta Saga (Episodes 1~35)
Frieza:
Namek Saga (Episodes 36~67)
Captain Ginyu Saga (Episodes 68~74)
Frieza Saga (Episodes 75~107)
Cell:
Garlic Jr. Saga (Episodes 108~117)
• The History of Trunks
Trunks Saga (Episodes 118~125)
• The World's Strongest
• The Tree of Might
• Lord Slug
• Cooler's Revenge
• Super Android 13
Androids Saga (Episodes 126~139)
Imperfect Cell Saga (Episodes 140~152)
Perfect Cell Saga (Episodes 153~165)
• Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan
• The Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans
Cell Games Saga (Episodes 166~194)
• Bojack Unbound
Buu:
Great Saiyaman Saga (Episodes 195~209)
• Broly - Second Coming
World Tournament Saga (Episodes 210~219)
Babidi Saga (Episodes 220~231)
Majin Buu Saga (Episodes 232~253)
• Bio-Broly
Fusion Saga (Episodes 254~275)
Kid Buu Saga (Episodes 276~291)
• Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!
• Wrath of the Dragon
* Shin Budokai
* Shin Budokai 2: Another Road
• Battle of Gods
- Neko Majin Z
Dragon Ball GT
Black Star Dragon Ball Saga (Episodes 1~16)
Baby Saga (Episodes 17~40)
Super 17 Saga (Episodes 41~47)
Shadow Dragon Saga (Episodes 48~64)
• A Hero's Legacy
*Dragon Ball Online
Kai canon
New Dr. Slump
Dragon Ball Z Kai
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Re: What's your personal canon (again)?
No he wasn't. At least, that one panel in the manga didn't explicitly show him in space.Bardock was shown is space in the manga as well, and since Goku is fighting in the space as well in BoG (story written by Toriyama), it seems that Bardock & Goku were close enough to Planet Vegeta/Earth to breath.
Maybe, but it's still inconsistent with what happened.We don't see their first meeting anywhere, and we don't know many details about Goku's behavior. Maybe Goku seemed like a cute baby in the beginning, but a few days later he turned into a devil.
In "Fighting Power: One Million?", Vegeta is on Freeza's ship when the planet explodes. In the Bardock special, he's on another planet.What filler?
Unlikely. All his other flashbacks weren't general predictions, they were exact scenes of people he didn't know and events that hadn't happened yet, mostly Goku's adventures in the original Dragon Ball. He saw Goku in the future facing Freeza in the same way he saw him defeating King Piccolo, even though the former never happened. So he'd have no scene to see.That was just a general prediction that Goku will fight Freeza.
Again, I don't really know why Bardock gets a free pass on all this stuff. It's no more "canon" than some of the movies are. And that's fine, since some of the movies fit in just well as Bardock's special does.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: What's your personal canon (again)?
The 1st form Freeza one is also more or less due to Toei (and I'm not sure about Toriyama at that point) not knowing what Freeza's transformations looked like. The special came out after #63 which is the beginning of the fight against the Ginyu Special Squad.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.
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Re: What's your personal canon (again)?
Ay Anime Canon includes everything possible. I fanwank the movies in as best I can, but try as I might, I just can't squeeze Path to Power or Bio Brolli into the main story.
The Bardock Special comes first, chronologically
Then, all of Dr. Slump
Then, All of Dragonball, up until the Boss Rabbit episode
Then Curse of the Blood Rubies, except for the parts where Goku meets everyone and where the Dragonballs are used
Then Dragonball until Kurillin shows up on Roshi's island
Then Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle
hen Dragonball until the time skip while Goku and Kurillin are training with Roshi
Then Mystical Adventure, except for the part where the Dragonballs are used
Then all the rest of Dragonball
Then DBZ Movies 1 and 2. Goklu doesn't actually use Kaioken or the Spirit Bomb in movie 2.
Then All of Dragonball Z until the 3 years before the Androids
Then DBZ Movies 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7
Then DBZ through the 10 days before the Cell Games
Then DBZ Movie 8
Then the Cell Games and Annoyoichi Budokai
Then DBZ Movie 9
Then The Saiyaman Saga, until the time skip
Then DBZ Movie 10
Then the Babidi and Buu sagas
Then Z Movies 12 & 13
Then the 2008 Special
Then DBZ Movie 14
Then The End of Dragonball Z
Then Neko Majin and Neko Majin Z
Then Dragonball GT
Then the events of the DBO Timeline, with some events pushed back a few years to allow the Stuff to happen, as well as the GT TV Special
And, Finally, the Trunks Special, which taskes place in an alternate timeline.
The Bardock Special comes first, chronologically
Then, all of Dr. Slump
Then, All of Dragonball, up until the Boss Rabbit episode
Then Curse of the Blood Rubies, except for the parts where Goku meets everyone and where the Dragonballs are used
Then Dragonball until Kurillin shows up on Roshi's island
Then Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle
hen Dragonball until the time skip while Goku and Kurillin are training with Roshi
Then Mystical Adventure, except for the part where the Dragonballs are used
Then all the rest of Dragonball
Then DBZ Movies 1 and 2. Goklu doesn't actually use Kaioken or the Spirit Bomb in movie 2.
Then All of Dragonball Z until the 3 years before the Androids
Then DBZ Movies 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7
Then DBZ through the 10 days before the Cell Games
Then DBZ Movie 8
Then the Cell Games and Annoyoichi Budokai
Then DBZ Movie 9
Then The Saiyaman Saga, until the time skip
Then DBZ Movie 10
Then the Babidi and Buu sagas
Then Z Movies 12 & 13
Then the 2008 Special
Then DBZ Movie 14
Then The End of Dragonball Z
Then Neko Majin and Neko Majin Z
Then Dragonball GT
Then the events of the DBO Timeline, with some events pushed back a few years to allow the Stuff to happen, as well as the GT TV Special
And, Finally, the Trunks Special, which taskes place in an alternate timeline.
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Re: What's your personal canon (again)?
In my opinion, the Bardock special fits pre-Dragon Ball, Movie 1 fits pre-Z, Movie 5 fits a year or two after Trunks arrives, Movie 9 fits a few months after Cell's defeat, Movie 13 fits after Buu's defeat, the 2008 special and Battle of the Gods fit after Movie 13, non-contradictory filler fits where it is, and the manga is what everything fits around.
Movies 2, 3, and 4 are an alternate universe, where Vegeta's henchmen never actually killed anyone. Our heroes stay on Earth and train, with Vegeta never joining them (possibly because Krillin killed him) and Lord Slug being the final villain. Dr. Gero never makes the androids, since either Slug, Turles, or one of the heroes accidentally kill him during the course of the movie, either with their Earth killing plans or during a fight in a city- imagine a blast someone dodged going on to kill Gero while he's shopping for groceries or something. Babidi either never manages to get Dabura under his spell or gets killed by the Supreme Kai before that (along with his minions Pui Pui and Yakon). Cooler's/Cold's/Freeza's empire deems Earth not worth the trouble after they lose Vegeta's squad (consisting of himself, Nappa, Raditz, and some Saibamen) and decide to leave it alone.
Movies 6 and 7 take place in a universe where 16 was never activated, Piccolo killed Cell in their first encounter, and then went on to kill 17 while Vegeta and Trunks (possibly Goku too) double team 18. Gero has a fail safe in his super computer, which goes on to complete Androids 13, 14, 15, and their unholy fusion, Super 13. They're defeated by the Z-fighters. Goku and Vegeta then go to Trunks' timeline and take out his timeline's weak version of the androids and return to their timeline. Cooler fuses with the Big Gete Star, makes robotic clones of himself that far exceed the strength of the androids, and becomes the final villain. Despite one Metal Cooler being more than enough to handle ALL of the Z-fighters, Cooler stupidly reveals his true form and gets destroyed by Vegeta. Same thing happens with Babidi and the Supreme Kai.
Movies 10, 11, and 12 take place in a universe where Goku killed Fat Buu and Vegeta stayed dead. In this timeline, Broly, through some minute difference from the standard timeline, survived and came to Earth, where he was beaten by Gohan and co. A mad scientist brought him back as a clone, but it was beaten by 18, Goten, Trunks, Krillin, and Mr.Satan. Then the soul cleansing machine in Hell, overwhelmed by the sheer influx of evil caused by the death of Buu, breaks and unleashes Janemba, a being of pure evil, who proceeds to start causing universe-level destruction. Janemba is beaten by Gogeta and the villains unleashed from hell are beaten by Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and others. Janemba is the final villain.
Movies 2, 3, and 4 are an alternate universe, where Vegeta's henchmen never actually killed anyone. Our heroes stay on Earth and train, with Vegeta never joining them (possibly because Krillin killed him) and Lord Slug being the final villain. Dr. Gero never makes the androids, since either Slug, Turles, or one of the heroes accidentally kill him during the course of the movie, either with their Earth killing plans or during a fight in a city- imagine a blast someone dodged going on to kill Gero while he's shopping for groceries or something. Babidi either never manages to get Dabura under his spell or gets killed by the Supreme Kai before that (along with his minions Pui Pui and Yakon). Cooler's/Cold's/Freeza's empire deems Earth not worth the trouble after they lose Vegeta's squad (consisting of himself, Nappa, Raditz, and some Saibamen) and decide to leave it alone.
Movies 6 and 7 take place in a universe where 16 was never activated, Piccolo killed Cell in their first encounter, and then went on to kill 17 while Vegeta and Trunks (possibly Goku too) double team 18. Gero has a fail safe in his super computer, which goes on to complete Androids 13, 14, 15, and their unholy fusion, Super 13. They're defeated by the Z-fighters. Goku and Vegeta then go to Trunks' timeline and take out his timeline's weak version of the androids and return to their timeline. Cooler fuses with the Big Gete Star, makes robotic clones of himself that far exceed the strength of the androids, and becomes the final villain. Despite one Metal Cooler being more than enough to handle ALL of the Z-fighters, Cooler stupidly reveals his true form and gets destroyed by Vegeta. Same thing happens with Babidi and the Supreme Kai.
Movies 10, 11, and 12 take place in a universe where Goku killed Fat Buu and Vegeta stayed dead. In this timeline, Broly, through some minute difference from the standard timeline, survived and came to Earth, where he was beaten by Gohan and co. A mad scientist brought him back as a clone, but it was beaten by 18, Goten, Trunks, Krillin, and Mr.Satan. Then the soul cleansing machine in Hell, overwhelmed by the sheer influx of evil caused by the death of Buu, breaks and unleashes Janemba, a being of pure evil, who proceeds to start causing universe-level destruction. Janemba is beaten by Gogeta and the villains unleashed from hell are beaten by Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and others. Janemba is the final villain.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: What's your personal canon (again)?
Oh, again.... my personal canon is 42 volumes of Dragon Ball.
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