Broly Power discussion

[Cardle grave]

Look it is a mystery i really cant figure it out. Freeza was Hurt he even said i could of Died so it was over 60 Million but to what extent i really don't know. 138 million would Kill him you are right there. But I don't know if the 20x is already add by the kamehameha because that would make sense since it 60 million itselt but its still not supported until otherwise

Is there anything in Daizenshuu that states anything on Ki ?

[TheGmGoken]

It is, Maseko was shown to be 2x of the user, Special beam Canon was more then 4x of Piccolo. it has something to do with the kaioken. Its Called the kaioken kamehameha so maybe (Kaioken kamehameha) raises it to 20x naturally as that may be the multiplier of the blast already.

So except of rising it by 2.3x he raised it 20x

I don't know i cant put my finger on it

Is there anything that state anything on Ki ?

No. Kaioken was to boast his power. So yes the Turtle wave was 20x his regular base form power but it not as complex as you're making be.

[Cardle grave]

So the kamehameha was 20x of his base thus making goku 60 million with the kamehameha or the kaioken increased his power to 20x higher thus making him 60 million without doing the kamehameha ?

[TheGmGoken]

So the kamehameha was 20x of his base thus making goku 60 million with the kamehameha or the kaioken increased his power to 20x higher thus making him 60 million without doing the kamehameha ?

BOTH =/. But Kamehameha is still 60 million.

[Cardle grave]

So the kamehameha was 20x of his base thus making goku 60 million with the kamehameha or the kaioken increased his power to 20x higher thus making him 60 million without doing the kamehameha ?

BOTH =/. But Kamehameha is still 60 million.

That makes sense, It doesn't make sense if it was 138 Million

[TheGmGoken]

So the kamehameha was 20x of his base thus making goku 60 million with the kamehameha or the kaioken increased his power to 20x higher thus making him 60 million without doing the kamehameha ?

BOTH =/. But Kamehameha is still 60 million.

That makes sense, It doesn't make sense if it was 138 Million

Using YOUR logic. That what the power level would have been. Now do you see the flaws?

[Draken]

Using YOUR logic. That what the power level would have been. Now do you see the flaws?

Exactly, thank you. SSJ2 + SSJ2 + SSJ Kamehameha using your multiplier logic would be > SSJ3 in general yes, but it also would not make sense because of the reasons you just realized. It would make Freeza 50% > Freeza 115%

[Cardle grave]

Wut, I am using the fact the the kk raises the multiplier by 20x making goku power overall 60 million. So Goku is not using the 2.3x multiplier when it converted to 20x

But this is not going to change anything. The kamehameha is still 2.3x of the user.

I am going to look into this further by looking at dazienshuu

[Draken]

Wut, I am using the fact the the kk raises the multiplier by 20x making goku power overall 60 million. So Goku is not using the 2.3x multiplier when it converted to 20x

But this is not going to change anything. The kamehameha is still 2.3x of the user.

I am going to look into this further by looking at dazienshuu

No it's not. It could also be +500 of the user. Or plus 0 of the user and just more potent because it's a concentrated attack.

Once again, if it was a definitive set 2.3x, Freeza 50% > Freeza 115%.

[TheGmGoken]

Wut, I am using the fact the the kk raises the multiplier by 20x making goku power overall 60 million. So Goku is not using the 2.3x multiplier when it converted to 20x

But this is not going to change anything. The kamehameha is still 2.3x of the user.

I am going to look into this further by looking at dazienshuu

Oh. My. Gosh. Just when I thought you got the point. The same thing applies for SSJ. They don't multiply they add on on a fast rate. If it was to multiply then many of the fights would have been shorter then they was actually were. Daizenshuu won't have good info on it. As Ki is barely explained in DB-Dbz. Which is why I told you to go on this thread for a ki explanation for a show where Ki is use similar to Db-dbz's as it's the closer we will get. http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=23777

[Cardle grave]

Wut, I am using the fact the the kk raises the multiplier by 20x making goku power overall 60 million. So Goku is not using the 2.3x multiplier when it converted to 20x

But this is not going to change anything. The kamehameha is still 2.3x of the user.

I am going to look into this further by looking at dazienshuu

No it's not. It could also be +500 of the user. Or plus 0 of the user and just more potent because it's a concentrated attack.

Once again, if it was a definitive set 2.3x, Freeza 50% > Freeza 115%.

Look the whole 20x kamehameha is confusing. Goku could of Converted the kamehameha multiplier form 2.3 to 20x thus making it 60 million not 138 million but still i need to look at it more

I am reading both hold on

[TheGmGoken]

Wut, I am using the fact the the kk raises the multiplier by 20x making goku power overall 60 million. So Goku is not using the 2.3x multiplier when it converted to 20x

But this is not going to change anything. The kamehameha is still 2.3x of the user.

I am going to look into this further by looking at dazienshuu

No it's not. It could also be +500 of the user. Or plus 0 of the user and just more potent because it's a concentrated attack.

Once again, if it was a definitive set 2.3x, Freeza 50% > Freeza 115%.

Look the whole 20x kamehameha is confusing. Goku could of Converted the kamehameha multiplier form 2.3 to 20x thus making it 60 million not 138 million but still i need to look at it more

Ki is barely covered in Db-Dbz for the 5th time. You won't find much on it but what it is and examples. Stuff that I hope you already know. Alll Goku did was use a Kaioken x20(hence him saying "KAIOKEN') charge at Freeza with 3 attacks and did a kamehameha which Freeza blocked. You're making this more complex then it really is. It's not that hard to understand.

[Cardle grave]

Then what now, Where are we going form here.

[TheGmGoken]

Then what now, Where are we going form here.

We? Don't you mean you. But in this case we're in a dead-lock since Akira didnt explain Ki enough.

[Draken]

Then what now, Where are we going form here.

I'm sticking with Majin Buu > SSJ2 Goku, Vegeta, Gohan full strength, SSJ3 Goku > Majin Buu, Broly < SSj2 Goku, Gohan, Goten maybe not at full strength but even so if full strength still weaker than SSJ2 Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and SSj3 Goku > Majin Buu > Broly.

[Cardle grave]

Then what now, Where are we going form here.

I'm sticking with Majin Buu > SSJ2 Goku, Vegeta, Gohan full strength, SSJ3 Goku > Majin Buu, Broly < SSj2 Goku, Gohan, Goten maybe not at full strength but even so if full strength still weaker than SSJ2 Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and SSj3 Goku > Majin Buu > Broly.

Even though that makes no bit of sense but go for it, its your opinion if you think Bullets>>>>Family kamehameha

[Draken]

Then what now, Where are we going form here.

I'm sticking with Majin Buu > SSJ2 Goku, Vegeta, Gohan full strength, SSJ3 Goku > Majin Buu, Broly < SSj2 Goku, Gohan, Goten maybe not at full strength but even so if full strength still weaker than SSJ2 Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and SSj3 Goku > Majin Buu > Broly.

Even though that makes no bit of sense but go for it, its your opinion if you think Bullets>>>>Family kamehameha

Even though that makes no sense, go for it. It is your opinion if you think SSJ2 Goku, Gohan, SSJ Goten <<< SSJ2 Goku, Gohan, Vegeta.

Wait how did we get to bullets again?

[Cardle grave]

Because if you have Buu>>>>Family kamehameha then Bullets is stronger then the kamehameha since you think Buu can tank the kamehameha

[Draken]

Because if you have Buu>>>>Family kamehameha then Bullets is stronger then the kamehameha since you think Buu can tank the kamehameha

We don't know how tanky Buu is because he never tries to be tanky. He knows he can regenerate from the bullets and has fun doing so, mocking his opponents. I mean come on, if you were Majin Buu and could regenerate from smoke, I think I'd rather do that for fun then be boring and let bullets bounce off, wouldn't you think?

What's up with all the ">>>"'s anyways are we really getting back to that old topic of how stupid random multiple >'s are?


Again, if it would have worked on Buu, then why didn't Goku suggest it? When SSJ2 Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta combined wouldn't be enough. Yet from the movie we know that powers weaker than that could kill Broly.

[TheGmGoken]

LOL! You think Buu < Bullets. That's funny. Boo was clearly toying with them.