How strong is Grey Buu?

[Darkprince410]

Pre-RoSaT Gotenks wasn't ever shown to have his ki felt from the Kaioshin realm. And I don't think we can say that not having your ki sensed in that realm means you can't be SS3 tier.

Though it wasn't explicitly shown that his ki could be sensed from Kaioushin's realm, Goku's dialogue when he was wondering why he couldn't sense Buu's ki (from Buu going into Room of Spirit and Time) suggests that he was either able to sense Gotenks' ki beforehand, or expected to be able to sense Gotenks' ki.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Saiga, I usually just put Mr. Boo in the middle of a Super Saiyan 2 and 3 at the most. I don't think he looks decently close, though. He admits like 2 pages in that he can't handle Kid Boo--and the rest of the fight does a good job in demonstrating an immense difference between them.

If you'll forgive me, my rather tentative numbers are:

Spoiler:

Fat Boo: 28,800,000,000
SS3 Goku: 32,000,000,000
Mr Boo: 24,500,000,000
Pure Boo: 30,000,000,000 - 34,000,000,000 (I can't decide whether he's stronger, weaker, or dead even with Goku)

Mr Boo took numerous blows from Pure Boo that he neither regenerated from nor seem to show much injury from, and he landed a few blows of his own. There was also a panel of them trading multiple blows that makes Boo look like a decent enough match for Pure Boo.

I actually like those numbers, as they're not too absurd. I certainly think Mr. Boo's stronger than I originally thought.
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The panel where they were "trading" blows looks like Kid Boo's merely blocking Mr. Boo's attacks with his arms crossed. Overall, way better than Vegeta, but still weak enough to get stomped.

[MDSTSSJ]

Fat Boo have the strength ( contained ) of Super Boo.

Grey Boo have 70% of Ki when Fat Boo split. Grey Boo + Dai KaioShin = Super Boo. Super Boo is the second stronger of all Boo´s but thanks to Dai Kaioshin, Super Boo won consciousness at the expense of losing some power.

Pure Boo is the 100% pure evil one. Pure Boo + South KaioShin is the Buff Boo and the strongest one of all Boo´s.

Fat Boo is stronger than Grey Boo.

Grey Boo is stronger than Mr. Boo.

Pure Boo is stronger than Mr. Boo.

Pure Boo is stronger than Grey Boo but not by much.

[RandomGuy96]

Super Buu doesn't get any power from Dai Kaioshin though. And why would Grey Buu be weaker than Kid Buu and Fat Buu? He has better feats than them.

[RandomGuy96]

Fat Boo: 28,800,000,000
SS3 Goku: 32,000,000,000
Mr Boo: 24,500,000,000
Pure Boo: 30,000,000,000 - 34,000,000,000 (I can't decide whether he's stronger, weaker, or dead even with Goku)

Not bad, but the OCD in me wants you to have Pure Buu at 35,000,000,000 and Mr. Buu and Fat Buu both at 28,000,000,000... that way Fat Buu = Mr.Buu (they seem like the same being) and Pure Buu has a decent lead on Goku that, most importantly, ends with a five. I like when power levels end in fives or zeroes...

Oh, and how does Mr.Buu's power gel with your belief that South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin are both weaker than Gohan? Since Pure Buu is standing right over there when Mr.Buu is pulled out, and that Buu is specifically noted to be his pure original form, then Mr.Buu's power is at most South Kaioshin + Dai Kaioshin.

[MDSTSSJ]

Super Buu doesn't get any power from Dai Kaioshin though. And why would Grey Buu be weaker than Kid Buu and Fat Buu? He has better feats than them.

Thanks to the influence of Dai Kaioshin, Super Boo thinks and speaks.

Better feats doesn´t mean stronger at all.

[Saiga]

I'm pretty sure I've never actually tried to factor in the Kaioshin into Boo's strength.

[RandomGuy96]

But the Kaioshin are the difference between Buff Buu/Super Buu and Pure Buu... kind of important.

Didn't you say that they were all weaker than Gohan going by the sword sequence? That doesn't really fit with Good Buu being so strong, as he should only contain everything that wasn't part of the original Buu, i.e. the two Kaioshin.

[Saiga]

But the Kaioshin are the difference between Buff Buu/Super Buu and Pure Buu... kind of important.

Didn't you say that they were all weaker than Gohan going by the sword sequence? That doesn't really fit with Good Buu being so strong, as he should only contain everything that wasn't part of the original Buu, i.e. the two Kaioshin.

Well for a long time I've just been more or less ignoring them. I think it causes too many problems, and I don't think the Kaioshin's battle powers can fit in there at all. I've tried before by forgetting everything else about the sword and Gohan and all that, but it still doesn't work for me.

[RandomGuy96]

How so? You don't follow SS Gotenks > Fat Buu, so your Super Buu doesn't have to be that much stronger than Goku... you just don't like having South Kaioshin on the same tier as Pure Buu in general or...?

The sword thing appears to have been retconned, going by the implications about South Kaioshin and the power of Good Buu. We also never got an indication that Southy ever tried to pull it in the first place- I cannot stress that enough.

[Saiga]

While I do dislike South being SS3-tier, that wouldn't stop me from putting him there if it made the most sense. I'd just bitch about it endlessly

Even ignoring the sword sequence, the other Kaioshin weren't made out to be much of anything, and Kaioshin talks about Boo like he was stronger than any of the Kaioshin. ...although that could just be retcon speaking, back then Toriyama likely wouldn't have planned the Kaioshin being part of Boo's power or anything like that.

[Hitiro]

How so? You don't follow SS Gotenks > Fat Buu, so your Super Buu doesn't have to be that much stronger than Goku... you just don't like having South Kaioshin on the same tier as Pure Buu in general or...?

The sword thing appears to have been retconned, going by the implications about South Kaioshin and the power of Good Buu. We also never got an indication that Southy ever tried to pull it in the first place- I cannot stress that enough.

Well ki doesn't necessarily indicate strength. It is true that having so much ki reinforces your strength as we have seen throughout the manga but it isn't the defining factor. S. Kaioshin could be SSJ3-Tier in ki only but have strength under SSJ Gohan. East Kaioshin's ki should be quite a bit more than base Gohan, who at the end of training with the Z-Sword was swinging it around in base, Unless Gohan got 50x stronger from swining the Z-Sword around the Kaioshin and Kibito should be able to wield the sword without too much trouble. But as we see in the manga Kibito, which is said should give base Gohan trouble, couldn't even lift the sword.

[Hugo Boss]

Why wasn't Piccolo worried and didn't send the kids into Rosat, when Gray Buu appeared?

Because Gotenks SSJ is stronger than him.

But Gray Buu is the mayority of Super Buu's power, no?

Actually he is Super Buu. Good Buu is just a power-up. Uub also used Good Buu as a power-up and surpassed Goku SSJ3.

[RandomGuy96]

While I do dislike South being SS3-tier, that wouldn't stop me from putting him there if it made the most sense. I'd just bitch about it endlessly

Even ignoring the sword sequence, the other Kaioshin weren't made out to be much of anything, and Kaioshin talks about Boo like he was stronger than any of the Kaioshin. ...although that could just be retcon speaking, back then Toriyama likely wouldn't have planned the Kaioshin being part of Boo's power or anything like that.

The second option is possible.

Anyway, while East does imply that all of the Kaioshin are weaker than Buu, South is heavily implied to be at least close to him. Good Buu's SS3 tier power had to come from SOMEWHERE after all, and the only possible sources are the Kaioshin. Buu also decided to absorb the strongest Kaioshin after just killing the other two, and the anime (yeah, I know) depicts South Kaioshin as pretty powerful. Since you don't follow SS Gotenks > Fatty, you can have South weaker than Buu, but still strong enough to put up a fight (75-80% of Buu + better skill) so Buu deems him worthy of absorbing after beating, and then have Good Buu be slightly stronger than him (80-86% of Buu) as the equivalent of South Kaioshin + Dai Kaioshin.

Just a suggestion. Southy is implied to be close to Buu more than he's implied to be far inferior.

[goku the krump dancer]

Goku at full power is stated to be able to take out Fat Boo and Kid Boo. Thin boo is about %60 of Fat Boo which makes him even less of a challenge for Goku. Goku and Vegeta were banking on that Super Boo would revert back to thin Boo or fat Boo because either scenario would be good because they'd be weaker than the present Boo at the time which was Super Boo.

So I'd say SSJ3 Goku takes out Thin Boo with moderate effort.

Gohan-Boo

Gotenks and Piccolo -Boo

Mostly Piccolo/Buff Boo/ Kid Boo? (Depending on how you look at it)

Regular Super Boo

Kid Boo? (again depending on how you look at it)

Evil Fat Boo

Thin Boo

Good Fat Boo aka Mr. Boo.

[PerfectFreeza]

Good Buu is at least nearing the SSJ3 tier though(his feats against Pure Buu show so), meaning Gray Buu is way stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

[BejitaSama]

It's clearly stated that Pure Evil Buu have the majority of Majin Buu (fat)'s power. So I would say around 60% of Majin Buu (fat).
So it depends on nyour interpretations. I think Majin Buu (fat) is around 2x superior to the best SSJ2, so Pure Evil Buu would be a little bit higher than that :

Majin Bejita / Gokû SSJ2 : 10
Majin Buu (fat) : between 20 and 25
Pure Evil Buu : between 13 and 15
Good Buu : between 7 and 10

[RandomGuy96]

It's clearly stated that Pure Evil Buu have the majority of Majin Buu (fat)'s power. So I would say around 60% of Majin Buu (fat).
So it depends on nyour interpretations. I think Majin Buu (fat) is around 2x superior to the best SSJ2, so Pure Evil Buu would be a little bit higher than that :

Majin Bejita / Gokû SSJ2 : 10
Majin Buu (fat) : between 20 and 25
Pure Evil Buu : between 13 and 15
Good Buu : between 7 and 10

That's actually impossible, since Buu did one last power up before splitting and Good Buu alone is already in the SS3 tier.

[Mjb1985]

I agree, Grey Buu is weaker than Fat Buu, who is weaker than Ssj3 Goku.

[MDSTSSJ]

Good Buu is at least nearing the SSJ3 tier though(his feats against Pure Buu show so), meaning Gray Buu is way stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

You mean Mr. Boo? Mr. Boo = Good Boo is way weaker than SSJ3 Kakarotto. If you refer to Fat Boo ( contained ), that is at least x2 weaker than SSJ3 Goku.

Mr. Boo or Good Boo was almost killed by Pure Boo who is a bit weaker or equal than SSJ3 Goku who later said he could have destroyed Fat Boo who is stronger than Mr. Boo.

Pure Boo is 100 % evil and the worst of all Boo´s.

Gray Boo born thanks to the split of Fat Boo. Gray Boo is 70 or 80 % evil because some of the evil still stays in the Mr. Boo body.

Why Pure Boo became 100 % pure evil again? Because Mr. Boo was entirely removed from his body.

Super Boo dominates the evil part but not in a 100% ( 95 %) thanks to the influence of Dai Kaioshin that also allows Super Boo think and gain consciousness. And besides that, he gain access to some of the Dai Kaioshin powers. If not, how Super Boo is so strong? I think we have to take into account some of the powers of Dai Kaioshin.

Pure Boo absorbs the stronger one and later absorbs the weakest one. The weakest one contained the powers of the strongest one.

Grey Boo ( most part evil ) absorbs the weakest one and transforms in to Super Boo.

New a very possible idea:

Dai and South Kaioshin powers are somehow linked. Before the birth of Pure Boo, they remove Mr. Boo body from Super Boo. Without Mr. Boo, we se the strongest of all Boo´s ( Buff Boo ) and somehow he change to Pure Boo losing the South Kaioshin Powers.

With Mr Boo removed, why the Buff Boo transformation was not successful?

That´s why I think that the powers of the 2 Kaioshin are linked.