To be honest, I'm more interested on getting a multiplier for forms that dont have any (or that I know of). Such as SSJ4, SSJG, the sub forms ASSJ and USSJ (also known as Grades 2 and 3).
Now according to Screwattack, the multiplier for SSJ4 was X4000, though to me that sounds abit overkill but depending on how they found that out, for example they got it from the guys here on Kanzenshuu, id be inclined to believe it. Id personally put it at X1200-155 max.
For Ascended Super Saiyan (Grade 2) id say about X75 or so.
For Ultra Super Saiyan (Grade 3) id place it at X110 since its built purely on physical strength
Not even gonna try figuring out SSJG as that form is stronger than Super Vegito.
Theories on Super Saiyan Multipliers
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Super Saiyan 4 is most likely x40,000 based on the Baby fight.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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After thinking about it, I really don't like SSJ3 being both a 400x multiplier, and all of a Saiyan's hidden power. Anyone else feel the same way?
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Yep. One of the reasons I like to give Gotenks a different one. That and the Majin power up, which according to the Daizenshuu should be stronger than SS3.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Which is more recent, the Super Exciting Guide, or the Daizenshuu that has the "Draws out all of a Saiyan's hidden power" comment?RandomGuy96 wrote:Yep. One of the reasons I like to give Gotenks a different one. That and the Majin power up, which according to the Daizenshuu should be stronger than SS3.
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The SEG is waaaaay more recent.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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That's what I figured. I probably could have just checkedRandomGuy96 wrote:The SEG is waaaaay more recent.
From now on, I'm just gonna go with the x400 multiplier overriding the hidden power thing. I like that a lot more than having them both. Especially since the GT Perfect Files give SSJ4 the exact same definition.
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Well, to each his own. You'd be surprised by how much easier the Buu Saga becomes by giving Gotenks different multipliers.
Anyway, about Gotenks: am I the only one who thinks his Super Saiyan multipliers seem all over the place? It's mostly due to gag feats, but we have stuff like Piccolo calling base Gotenks (pre) incredible after sensing Majin Vegeta, Krillin thinking he has a chance against Fat Buu (again after sensing Vegeta), Gotenks managing to escape Fat Buu (though as I've said a billion times I don't put a lot of stock in that), SS Gotenks actually landing a hit on Super Buu (and no power up was noted for Super Buu after Gotenks turned SS3), Piccolo thinking that base Gotenks could have a chance against someone SS Gotenks (pre) had no chance against, et cetera. What gives?
Now that I think about it, did the SEG even say SS3 = SS2 x 4 always, or did it just show images Goku with the multiplication symbols?
Anyway, about Gotenks: am I the only one who thinks his Super Saiyan multipliers seem all over the place? It's mostly due to gag feats, but we have stuff like Piccolo calling base Gotenks (pre) incredible after sensing Majin Vegeta, Krillin thinking he has a chance against Fat Buu (again after sensing Vegeta), Gotenks managing to escape Fat Buu (though as I've said a billion times I don't put a lot of stock in that), SS Gotenks actually landing a hit on Super Buu (and no power up was noted for Super Buu after Gotenks turned SS3), Piccolo thinking that base Gotenks could have a chance against someone SS Gotenks (pre) had no chance against, et cetera. What gives?
Now that I think about it, did the SEG even say SS3 = SS2 x 4 always, or did it just show images Goku with the multiplication symbols?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.