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Vegetto as a Super Saiyan has a power greater than any Super Saiyan 3.
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The Daizenshuu was approved by Toriyama himself and called accurate, again by Toriyama himself. Kibito IS close to base Gohan, that's never contradicted anywhere. Goten was able to give Gohan a lot of trouble in sparring, so at the very least he's more than 66% of him.Kakashi wrote:The Daizenshuu is wrong because it's flawed and also says Kibio is close to Base Gohan and the Manga never showed the kids were close to the adults but the oppositeRandomGuy96 wrote:According to the manga and Daizenshuu, no they're not.Kakashi wrote:Those are old arguments which were debunked
The adults are far above the kids
Piccolo says the difference while fused is bigger while separated so the difference between Gogeta and Gotenks is even much bigger than the adults and the kids
Not to mention the rival boots
Gogeta is leagues ahead of Gotenks
Also what Old Kaioshin said doesn't make Base Vegetto > SSJ3 Gogeta and it can mean SSJ Gogeta ~ Base Vegetto which is what I have
That can be interpreted a lot of ways.
There is no rival boost.
Not really.
Piccolo says that a gain while separated is bigger while fused so you are wrong
The rival boots comes from Goku and Vegeta
Goku wanted to use SSJ vs Gotenks-Boo
I'm sorry, do you have Toriyama's email? Did he say that your interpretation was god?
What makes Vegetto's boots more special than anyone else's?
He wanted to fuse with Gohan (power level after Z sword: unknown) right AFTER hearing that Potara was stronger than fusion.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Boots? I thought it was boast. Oh well =(.What makes Vegetto's boots more special than anyone else's?
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PerfectFreeza wrote: And it's spelled ''booST'', not ''booTS''.
Those rival boots were made for walking. They are the source of Vegetto's power.RandomGuy96 wrote: What makes Vegetto's boots more special than anyone else's?
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I don't believe in rival boost, but a compatibility boost. Same race, power, etc. RG96 created a pretty good formula for it if you don't go by AXB.
That said I have SSJ Vegetto above SSJ3 Gogeta.
That said I have SSJ Vegetto above SSJ3 Gogeta.
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Even himself?Son Edo wrote:Vegetto as a Super Saiyan has a power greater than any Super Saiyan 3.
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Not even Vegetto is greater than Vegetto.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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What about 2 Vegetto's using the potara to become Double Vegetto?RandomGuy96 wrote:Not even Vegetto is greater than Vegetto.
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How would that look? Like these?dbzfan7 wrote:What about 2 Vegetto's using the potara to become Double Vegetto?RandomGuy96 wrote:Not even Vegetto is greater than Vegetto.
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Roid rage Vegetto 
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Official name: Vegetto (Evil Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed) absorbed).
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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It's also what Vegetto potara fusing with an alternate Vegetto would look like.RandomGuy96 wrote:Official name: Vegetto (Evil Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed) absorbed).
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My head hurtsRandomGuy96 wrote:Official name: Vegetto (Evil Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed) absorbed).
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Out of curiousity, are there any other scenes of Buuhan giving SS Vegetto trouble in the anime? I remember him forcing himself down Vegetto's throat (which makes me wince whenever I see it) and making him use effort to break that universe destroying barrier. Is that it?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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When Buu slid of the beam sword, Vegetto seemed surprised. Maybe that would count?RandomGuy96 wrote:Out of curiousity, are there any other scenes of Buuhan giving SS Vegetto trouble in the anime? I remember him forcing himself down Vegetto's throat (which makes me wince whenever I see it) and making him use effort to break that universe destroying barrier. Is that it?
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When Boo got super pissed and just charge at Vegetto. Vegetto's face was shocked and said " that was close".RandomGuy96 wrote:Out of curiousity, are there any other scenes of Buuhan giving SS Vegetto trouble in the anime? I remember him forcing himself down Vegetto's throat (which makes me wince whenever I see it) and making him use effort to break that universe destroying barrier. Is that it?
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I doubt Super Boo tastes any goodRandomGuy96 wrote:Out of curiousity, are there any other scenes of Buuhan giving SS Vegetto trouble in the anime? I remember him forcing himself down Vegetto's throat (which makes me wince whenever I see it) and making him use effort to break that universe destroying barrier. Is that it?
. Also he technically would have ate his sons and Piccolo .Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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And Fat Boo.dbzfan7 wrote:I doubt Super Boo tastes any goodRandomGuy96 wrote:Out of curiousity, are there any other scenes of Buuhan giving SS Vegetto trouble in the anime? I remember him forcing himself down Vegetto's throat (which makes me wince whenever I see it) and making him use effort to break that universe destroying barrier. Is that it?
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TheGmGoken wrote:And Fat Boo.dbzfan7 wrote:I doubt Super Boo tastes any goodRandomGuy96 wrote:Out of curiousity, are there any other scenes of Buuhan giving SS Vegetto trouble in the anime? I remember him forcing himself down Vegetto's throat (which makes me wince whenever I see it) and making him use effort to break that universe destroying barrier. Is that it?
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No, but I have quotes from the anime & manga.Barunks wrote:Got some clips to play?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yep. In all media (manga, anime, guides, video games).Barunks wrote:Has it ever been officially established that Vegito is stronger that Gogeta?
The Manga/Anime wrote:Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P6.2-6
Context: Elder Kaioshin gives the Potara to Goku
Elder Kaioshin: “Here! Put this Potara on your left ear! [ ] Put the other one on Gohan’s ear. Just by doing that, you two will be able to merge together! Like with Fusion.”
Goku: “Huh! Re-really!?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion! This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.
”Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”
There are also 2 video games (Raging Blast & Ultimate Butoden) that have "Super Vegetto vs SS Gogeta" as a what if in story mode, and in both Vegetto is the winner.Daizenshuu 4 wrote:Potara
The much-valued treasure of the Kaioshin. If two people take one each and fit it on their respective ears, one on the left and one on the right, in an instant they will unite together and power up. The principle is the same as the Fusion technique, but the effect is greater than Fusion. Furthermore, since this union cannot be cancelled, it doesn't have the weakness of running out of time and the two returning to normal. This union is only removed inside the body of Majin Buu.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.