Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

That does make sense. But remember that Fat Boo is SSJ3 tier and Goku can sense him from the Kaioshin realm. Wouldn't you think that he would have felt the power of Fat Boo getting enraged the whole time? It makes no sense for him not to know about it. And most of all, wouldn't that make SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat) weaker than Fat Boo? I mean SSJ Gotenks pre rosat has to be at least >= SSJ3 Goku. If Fat Boo were holding back a power of that magnitude, then what makes Goku certain that Gotenks can win? Also, I can't help but not ignore the quote of Vegeta stating inside Boo's body that if he becomes the Fat Boo again that he would be weaker than he is as Evil Boo. How do you explain that?

We never saw Goku's reaction to angry Fat Buu. For all we know Fat Buu only reached full power in that instance, making him hard to sense since it popped up and left quickly.

Not weaker than the Fat Buu that Goku said he could beat. This is just one of many power ups Fat Buu does after his enemies underestimate him. It's not like Goku has any way of knowing Fat Buu's full strength.

How would Vegeta know? Was he there to witness to split? Alternatively, he'll just have Goku kill Fatty immediately, before he gets angry. Or the above theory. Mostly I'm trying to make sense of the Daiz line, which outright says that Fatty is only a bit weaker than Buff Buu.

Vegeta said he saw it all from the other world and knew about the split with Pure evil boo. Your claim can also explain what Goku's "nasty gamble" was referring to. If Fat boo can get near Evil boo's level, then Pre rosat Gotenks is fucked.

[RandomGuy96]

He saw it, but did he SENSE it? I doubt it.

If he's referring to the split as the basis for why Goku could beat Fat Buu, then he'd be referring to Good Buu, not ths enraged Fat Buu who existed for all of five seconds.

The nasty gamble part was, according to Piccolo, referring to the boys learning fusion in time. Goku had no idea how strong Buu could get.

[PerfectFreeza]

A guy I frequently debate said something interesting about Innocent Boo's power ups.
He said Boo got stronger after he blew the steam out.Could that be true?

[RandomGuy96]

A guy I frequently debate said something interesting about Innocent Boo's power ups.
He said Boo got stronger after he blew the steam out.Could that be true?

That happened when he split and both times he was said to power up. What's the guy's point...?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

He saw it, but did he SENSE it? I doubt it.

If he's referring to the split as the basis for why Goku could beat Fat Buu, then he'd be referring to Good Buu, not ths enraged Fat Buu who existed for all of five seconds.

The nasty gamble part was, according to Piccolo, referring to the boys learning fusion in time. Goku had no idea hkw strong Buu could get.

Piccolo said everything about Boo is greater than before. That includes the point of Fat boo getting angry for the final time. You say he didn't sense Fat boo blowing off steam right before the split which I have no idea why he would ignore that.

[PerfectFreeza]

He is trying to say, that Boo's ki didn't get higher during the split.

[Kamiccolo9]

He saw it, but did he SENSE it? I doubt it.

If he's referring to the split as the basis for why Goku could beat Fat Buu, then he'd be referring to Good Buu, not ths enraged Fat Buu who existed for all of five seconds.

The nasty gamble part was, according to Piccolo, referring to the boys learning fusion in time. Goku had no idea hkw strong Buu could get.

Piccolo said everything about Boo is greater than before. That includes the point of Fat boo getting angry for the final time. You say he didn't sense Fat boo blowing off steam right before the split which I have no idea why he would ignore that.

We don't know what he thought about it. We don't see Piccolo's reaction. Fat Buu was enraged for seconds; Piccolo's gonna be comparing Super Buu to the Fat Buu, who actually fought, or he might also be referring to Gray Buu, who is the one doing the actual transforming. Piccolo never says that Super Buu is stronger than Fat Buu, specifically.

[Axiom]

Nothing says Buu's power raises before he splits - and Vegeta just said that the Fatbuu is weaker than SuperBuu. EVEN IF FatBuu was as strong as Evil Buu, Goku claims he can beat him. You'd have to overly creative just to make any theory work in the opposite - meaning Goku - Kidbuu > EvilBuu - Fatbuu

[Draken]

Nothing says Buu's power raises before he splits - and Vegeta just said that the Fatbuu is weaker than SuperBuu. EVEN IF FatBuu was as strong as Evil Buu, Goku claims he can beat him. You'd have to overly creative just to make any theory work in the opposite - meaning Goku - Kidbuu > EvilBuu - Fatbuu

Why the fuck do you insist on bringing in Goku > Kid Buu > Super Buu into every debate? You've been told (twice, iirc) already to stop.

Fat Buu gets mad = he gets stronger, that was established. Fat Buu before split = hugely insanely mega awesome angry.

[Axiom]

Nothing says Buu's power raises before he splits - and Vegeta just said that the Fatbuu is weaker than SuperBuu. EVEN IF FatBuu was as strong as Evil Buu, Goku claims he can beat him. You'd have to overly creative just to make any theory work in the opposite - meaning Goku - Kidbuu > EvilBuu - Fatbuu

Why the fuck do you insist on bringing in Goku > Kid Buu > Super Buu into every debate? You've been told (twice, iirc) already to stop.

Fat Buu gets mad = he gets stronger, that was established. Fat Buu before split = hugely insanely mega awesome angry.

Enough. Again, if a moderator wants to do their job and correct me, they are free to do so. As for you, mind your own business,I'm positive that it's against the rules to instigate and moderate other members.

For everyone else - Again, nothing about a power increase is stated from anyone, including the narrator. IF there was some magic increase that no one was aware of, then it would mean Goku is not only stronger than Fatbuu, but Evilbuu as well. Vegeta doesn't correct Goku when he claims to be able to Beat FatBuu, and as far as we know, only Vegeta has felt and seen the Ki of all of them.

[Draken]

Nothing says Buu's power raises before he splits - and Vegeta just said that the Fatbuu is weaker than SuperBuu. EVEN IF FatBuu was as strong as Evil Buu, Goku claims he can beat him. You'd have to overly creative just to make any theory work in the opposite - meaning Goku - Kidbuu > EvilBuu - Fatbuu

Why the fuck do you insist on bringing in Goku > Kid Buu > Super Buu into every debate? You've been told (twice, iirc) already to stop.

Fat Buu gets mad = he gets stronger, that was established. Fat Buu before split = hugely insanely mega awesome angry.

Enough. Again, if a moderator wants to do their job and correct me, they are free to do so. As for you, mind your own business,I'm positive that it's against the rules to instigate and moderate other members.

For everyone else - Again, nothing about a power increase is stated from anyone, including the narrator. IF there was some magic increase that no one was aware of, then it would mean Goku is not only stronger than Fatbuu, but Evilbuu as well. Vegeta doesn't correct Goku when he claims to be able to Beat FatBuu, and as far as we know, only Vegeta has felt and seen the Ki of all of them.

They have. Numerous times.

Goku could defeat the Fat Buu HE fought, he never fought enraged Fat Buu, he fought a happy calmed down Fat Buu who was enjoying a fun fight. When did Vegeta ever say he felt all of their ki?

[Axiom]

They have. Numerous times.

Goku could defeat the Fat Buu HE fought, he never fought enraged Fat Buu, he fought a happy calmed down Fat Buu who was enjoying a fun fight. When did Vegeta ever say he felt all of their ki?

He mentioned it inside of Buu's body when he tore out the pods. And again, mind your own business.

[Kamiccolo9]

They have. Numerous times.

Goku could defeat the Fat Buu HE fought, he never fought enraged Fat Buu, he fought a happy calmed down Fat Buu who was enjoying a fun fight. When did Vegeta ever say he felt all of their ki?

He mentioned it inside of Buu's body when he tore out the pods. And again, mind your own business.

Quote please?

[Axiom]

[Kamiccolo9]

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P7.3-6
Context: Vegeta grabs good Boo’s pod and wonders what will happen if he pulls it out
Vegeta: “This’ll be fun…Will you turn back into this fatso? Or will you become that scrawny guy? …Either way, it seems that your power will doubtlessly fall below what it is now.”
Boo: “Sto-stop it! Do-don’t touch that! Hands off!”
Vegeta: “Kukkukku…You seem even more panicked than I expected…Apparently it will be quite unfavorable for you…”
Boo: “Th-that’s the only one you mustn’t tear out…! I-I’ll stop being me!”
Goku: “’I’ll stop being me’…?”
Vegeta: “That sounds interesting…Did you really think I’d listen to you?”

He's talking about Mr. Buu here. He says "this fatso." Mr. Buu was weaker than Full Power Fat Buu, and it seems that's who he's referring to, as he directly compares him to Gray Buu.
And that says nothing about Vegeta being able to sense their power.

[Axiom]

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P7.3-6
Context: Vegeta grabs good Boo’s pod and wonders what will happen if he pulls it out
Vegeta: “This’ll be fun…Will you turn back into this fatso? Or will you become that scrawny guy? …Either way, it seems that your power will doubtlessly fall below what it is now.”
Boo: “Sto-stop it! Do-don’t touch that! Hands off!”
Vegeta: “Kukkukku…You seem even more panicked than I expected…Apparently it will be quite unfavorable for you…”
Boo: “Th-that’s the only one you mustn’t tear out…! I-I’ll stop being me!”
Goku: “’I’ll stop being me’…?”
Vegeta: “That sounds interesting…Did you really think I’d listen to you?”

You don't know if he's talking about Mr. Buu or Fat Buu here. He just says "this fatso," which applies to both. Mr. Buu was weaker than Full Power Fat Buu, and it seems that's who he's referring to, as he directly compares him to Gray Buu.
And that says nothing about Vegeta being able to sense their power.

Doesn't matter, he also doesn't correct Goku when Goku claimed to be able to beat FatBuu - and then goes on to say Goku is stronger than he imagined.

[Kamiccolo9]

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P7.3-6
Context: Vegeta grabs good Boo’s pod and wonders what will happen if he pulls it out
Vegeta: “This’ll be fun…Will you turn back into this fatso? Or will you become that scrawny guy? …Either way, it seems that your power will doubtlessly fall below what it is now.”
Boo: “Sto-stop it! Do-don’t touch that! Hands off!”
Vegeta: “Kukkukku…You seem even more panicked than I expected…Apparently it will be quite unfavorable for you…”
Boo: “Th-that’s the only one you mustn’t tear out…! I-I’ll stop being me!”
Goku: “’I’ll stop being me’…?”
Vegeta: “That sounds interesting…Did you really think I’d listen to you?”

You don't know if he's talking about Mr. Buu or Fat Buu here. He just says "this fatso," which applies to both. Mr. Buu was weaker than Full Power Fat Buu, and it seems that's who he's referring to, as he directly compares him to Gray Buu.
And that says nothing about Vegeta being able to sense their power.

Doesn't matter, he also doesn't correct Goku when Goku claimed to be able to beat FatBuu - and then goes on to say Goku is stronger than he imagined.

That just shows that he didn't sense Goku's power earlier. So why would he have sensed Buu's?
And of course it matters. He's talking about Mr. Buu, not Fat Buu. There's a difference.

[Axiom]

That just shows that he didn't sense Goku's power earlier. So why would he have sensed Buu's?
And of course it matters. He's talking about Mr. Buu, not Fat Buu. There's a difference.

Wait - he sensed and knew of SSJ3 Goku, Sensed and knew of Skinny Buu, and NOW forgets/doesn't know about SSJ3? As I've always said before, Goku wasn't full power when he fought FatBuu. Twisting things even further than you already have just makes even less sense.

Wait - How would Vegeta know that Buu was weaker if he never sensed his power? It doesn't make any sense!

[Kamiccolo9]

That just shows that he didn't sense Goku's power earlier. So why would he have sensed Buu's?
And of course it matters. He's talking about Mr. Buu, not Fat Buu. There's a difference.

Wait - he sensed and knew of SSJ3 Goku, Sensed and knew of Skinny Buu, and NOW forgets/doesn't know about SSJ3? As I've always said before, Goku wasn't full power when he fought FatBuu. Twisting things even further than you already have just makes even less sense.

He saw Goku. Nothing ever says he sensed him. He saw Gray Buu, nothing ever says he sensed him.
And I'm twisting things? Goku says flat out that he can't beat Super Buu! How much more blatant can you get?

[Draken]

That just shows that he didn't sense Goku's power earlier. So why would he have sensed Buu's?
And of course it matters. He's talking about Mr. Buu, not Fat Buu. There's a difference.

Wait - he sensed and knew of SSJ3 Goku, Sensed and knew of Skinny Buu, and NOW forgets/doesn't know about SSJ3? As I've always said before, Goku wasn't full power when he fought FatBuu. Twisting things even further than you already have just makes even less sense.

Wait - How would Vegeta know that Buu was weaker if he never sensed his power? It doesn't make any sense!

I take it you're also of the opinion that SSJ3 can be heavily suppressed?

Of course you do.