The old art style is better than the new art style

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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:22 pm

Can we get more old school and new school comparison?
On a side note. Does anyone think Goku head looks extremely wrong and awkward(Moving like a fucking broken robot) on this screen shot of Ultimate Tenkaichi
If possible please provide high quality clips(UNlike what I did). Also I think the old art is MUCH more detailed and have better colors IMO. However the new animation is brighter and cleaner.

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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by Linkthoy » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:28 am

Overall, for me its a tie for both. Each has its pros and cons for me.
Series Run Animation and Style:
The animation at time is a little weird (though that might be the different animation teams).
While the coloration itself is good, some of the choices of colors are kinda eh.
While it depends on who's drawing it, most character are drawn really well.
New Animation and Style:
I like the some little shininess on specific parts, like on Goku's hair is this screenshot:
The use of manga colors, like a brighter orange on Goku's gi, pale yellow Super Saiyan hair, and the like.
I would say that at least this comparison, I like the newer one if only because Gohan looks a little too old in the older one.

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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by Dr. Machismo » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:16 am

Nah, I prefer the new art style.
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:41 am

I like them both equally, so I'm the best. 8)
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:45 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I like them both equally, so I'm the best. 8)
"Silly human. Law, segregation, sexism, and you say something is equal. Pssh. Nothing is equal and I ain't going to let a punk kid say otherwise. Don't come here with that nonsense with your 30$ haircut, the old one is better. " ~ That is what Android 13 Funimation counterpart would had said had he saw your comment. But I respect your opinion.

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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:49 am

Has anyone else noticed Android 13 is the truck driver from the Vegeta and 18 fight?
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:10 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Has anyone else noticed Android 13 is the truck driver from the Vegeta and 18 fight?
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He cut his hair and grow an android mustached. Damn bastard even got a new hat.

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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by Blade » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:12 am

Toei's line-art these days definitely divides opinion, and as far as my own goes, I believe that their latest work on One Piece, Toriko and Dragonball lacks the fluidity, quality and diversity of the likes of Studio Pierrot.

Like has been previously mentioned, it's perhaps slightly unfair to judge the modern Dragonball art-style from the 'Dragon Ball SSSS' Project output, as it's relatively low budget stuff that was rather rapidly assembled. Battle of Gods, and to some extent the crossover special (as it was created by Toei's TV animation department) are much better sources from which to make judgements. In regard to TV animation at least, Toei's output today is of a noticeably poorer quality than it was 3 or 4 years ago.
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:19 am

I still say they go back to the animation used for the Budokai 2 and 3 openings. They would serve perfectly as a happy medium between the original animation and the new stuff seen in BOG and EoB.
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:47 am

The Toriko crossover only had one talented animator working on the project, Shida Naotoshi. While that does make it a good example of how few talented animators work on Toei Animation shows these days it is hardly the best example of how good the new models could look.
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by Elton Stryker » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:11 pm

Old Style = Natural
New Style in OVAS = Disney Style
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by Blade » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:26 pm

JulieYBM wrote:The Toriko crossover only had one talented animator working on the project, Shida Naotoshi. While that does make it a good example of how few talented animators work on Toei Animation shows these days it is hardly the best example of how good the new models could look.
Oh no, make no mistake - I think the animation in the crossover special sucked, but it's a good example of modern TV standard animation for Toei: rushed and under-budgeted.
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by hulkty » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:27 pm

Honestly, I think it just depends on the screenshot.
Those examples for Bardock were MUCH better with the old style, I agree.

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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:30 pm

Hmm. The captions on that last pic don't exactly do a good job of providing an unbiased viewpoint, do they?
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by jjgp1112 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:21 pm

They used the WORST possible examples for DB/Z in the second pic.
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:27 pm

Yeah, not to mention that there's nineteen different animation supervisors for Dragon Ball Z alone. NINETEEN. Yamamuro Tadayoshi is the main animation supervisor for most modern Dragon Ball animation.
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:30 pm

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Gotta say, Maeda and Aoshima seem to have the best looking animation in this comparison. I personally cant stand Uchiyama's animation, especially on some of his work with SSJ Vegeta.
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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by kei17 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:46 pm

That's a very misleading comparison because that shot of Maeda actually is Masaki Satou's art entirely untouched.

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Re: The old art style is better than the new art style

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:53 pm

Strange, considering this image came from the animation guide section on the main Kanzenshuu site.
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