Scenes where you've disliked your favourite character

[Godo]

I didn't like how Piccolo reacted against Kaioshin at all.
It was clearly not due to strength alone, since he had felt SSJ2 tier power before that, but also due to Kami inside him influencing him (the reaction is in itself pretty Kami-like).
Although his reaction made sense, I disliked Piccolo at that point.

[dbzfan7]

Also I'll add everyone who complained about storming the Red Ribbon Base. What exactly was the threat. They move faster than the eye can see, One Kamehameha from Roshi would destroy the entire base, Bullets can't kill them, and everyone is one shot material.

They had missiles and fighting robots and all sorts of war machines. Even Goku couldn't avoid getting hit by one rocket, but fortunately he is really tough, especially after training with Karin.

But even then, Goku was lucky... If Blue or other soldier with abilities as troublesome as him was still there, and another android like #8 (but one willing to fight) was there, and all of them aided Black and his robot suit agaisnt Goku... things probably wouldn't end up well for Goku.

Krilin and Roshi were weaker than Goku by this point and they were never as reckless as Goku, so its seems to me that their reaction was reasonable.

One Kamehameha from Roshi would wipe out the entire base in an instant. Also there was only one special robot. Sure there were missiles, but they are fast enough to dodge em. I don't recall them thinking about special soldiers when they we're talking about raiding the base.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I guess I'm too much a fanboy because I can't think of a single moment in time where Vegeta pissed me off .

[Insertclevername]

When Gohan screamed in the most insufferable fashion to stop Angela from "exposing his secret identity" to Videl. What a spaz.

[KentalSSJ6]

When Gohan screamed in the most insufferable fashion to stop Angela from "exposing his secret identity" to Videl. What a spaz.

Can't blame him, id probably do the same thing. Then again..if I could go Super Saiyan id show it off as much as possible.

[rereboy]

One Kamehameha from Roshi would wipe out the entire base in an instant. Also there was only one special robot. Sure there were missiles, but they are fast enough to dodge em. I don't recall them thinking about special soldiers when they we're talking about raiding the base.

Blue, just one soldier from RR had already almost killed them all with his powers and a bomb when he tied them up back on Roshi's island. Remember that? They know RR has soldiers like that.

Besides, they know that RR had lots and lots of bombs and weapons, many of which could kill them if they hit. And they aren't fast enough to dodge everything... even Goku, who had already surpassed them, took at least one rocket in the face that he couldn't dodge (thankfully without getting hurt since the rocket wasn't powerful enough).

Add to that all the shit that they might have that they don't even know about and they would be fools not to be concerned and apprehensive about storming the place.

Like I said, even Goku could have easily died during his raid if RR had more soldiers with troublesome abilities like Blue or an android like #8 (but willing to fight) aiding Black and his mecha. Thankfully they did not, only average soldiers with regular weapons and Black's mecha which, thankfully, fought Goku alone.

And yes, Roshi could have probably destroyed the place from afar with his Kamehameha. But that's different than storming the place. Much different. And they wanted to rescue Goku, not blow him up with the entire base, so they would have to storm the place.

[dbzfan7]

One Kamehameha from Roshi would wipe out the entire base in an instant. Also there was only one special robot. Sure there were missiles, but they are fast enough to dodge em. I don't recall them thinking about special soldiers when they we're talking about raiding the base.

Blue, just one soldier from RR had already almost killed them all with his powers and a bomb when he tied them up back on Roshi's island. Remember that? They know RR has soldiers like that.

Besides, they know that RR had lots and lots of bombs and weapons, many of which could kill them if they hit. And they aren't fast enough to dodge everything... even Goku, who had already surpassed them, took at least one rocket in the face that he couldn't dodge (thankfully without getting hurt since the rocket wasn't powerful enough).

Add to that all the shit that they might have that they don't even know about and they would be fools not to be concerned and apprehensive about storming the place.

Like I said, even Goku could have easily died during his raid if RR had more soldiers with troublesome abilities like Blue or an android like #8 (but willing to fight) aiding Black and his mecha. Thankfully they did not, only average soldiers with regular weapons and Black's mecha which, thankfully, fought Goku alone.

And yes, Roshi could have probably destroyed the place from afar with his Kamehameha. But that's different than storming the place. Much different. And they wanted to rescue Goku, not blow him up with the entire base, so they would have to storm the place.

But they don't have soldiers like that. Silver and white were weak. Blue had on special power, yellow was weak, Tao Pai Pai they could never expect as he is a freelancer. So really they don't have much. I can see them having trouble getting passed all the missles up front which with there combined effort I believe they could pull off, and once inside they would wreck everyone. I doubt they knew the RR had several people like Blue or robots like 8.

Roshi at any point could have done that at any givin time period which makes them even less of threat.

[KentalSSJ6]

Id have to say another moment I didn't like was Goku showing off in front of Pikkon during their first match. It just seemed out of character for him to be bragging about himself. Its not like when he was taunting Freeza, who killed his best friend, his rival, and nearly his son. Pikkon was there for a friendly competition and Goku is just standing there talking about how good he is.

[rereboy]

But they don't have soldiers like that. Silver and white were weak. Blue had on special power, yellow was weak, Tao Pai Pai they could never expect as he is a freelancer. So really they don't have much. I can see them having trouble getting passed all the missles up front which with there combined effort I believe they could pull off, and once inside they would wreck everyone. I doubt they knew the RR had several people like Blue or robots like 8.

Roshi at any point could have done that at any givin time period which makes them even less of threat.

And how would Roshi and Krillin know exactly what kind of soldiers they have besides Blue? After knowing they have someone as troublesome as Blue, why would they assume that there's no one else in the army that is stronger than him or at least as troublesome than him? .

Logically, they fear the worst case scenario and what they MIGHT encounter, since they don't really know what kind of opponents they will find. And the worst case scenario in this case would be RR having MANY soldiers as strong or as troublesome as Blue or even more troublesome, besides all their advanced weapons that could probably kill them on their own if they got hit by them.

You criticized their apprehension in storming their base and yet you forget that their knowledge of the RR army, their soldiers, weapons and power is severely limited, and what they do know, which is that they have Blue as a soldier and that they might have many more as troublesome as him or even stronger over there besides all their weapons, is way more than enough to give them pause.

Goku was fortunate because he encountered a best case scenario when he stormed the place. He didn't find at their base any soldier who was actually strong, they were all much weaker than Blue. And even Black fought him alone with a mecha which in all probability was nowhere near as powerful as #8. Hence, why he had no trouble. Imagine if he had to fight 5 soldiers as troublesome as Blue, 20 sargeants Metallics, an android as powerful as #8 and Black's mecha, all pretty much at the same time. Yeah, Goku would probably be dead. And such a scenario would be entirely possible, even with knowledge that we, as the reader, had of RR. Roshi and Krillin only could guess and naturally they were assuming the worst.

[thatdbzguy]

I can't think of a single time where I didn't like any of my favorite characters, let alone one.

They may do stupid/dickish things at times, but they still retain their likability for me.

[dbzfan7]

And how would Roshi and Krillin know exactly what kind of soldiers they have besides Blue? After knowing they have someone as troublesome as Blue, why would they assume that there's no one else in the army that is stronger than him or at least as troublesome than him? .

Logically, they fear the worst case scenario and what they MIGHT encounter, since they don't really know what kind of opponents they will find. And the worst case scenario in this case would be RR having MANY soldiers as strong or as troublesome as Blue or even more troublesome, besides all their advanced weapons that could probably kill them on their own if they got hit by them.

You criticized their apprehension in storming their base and yet you forget that their knowledge of the RR army, their soldiers, weapons and power is severely limited, and what they do know, which is that they have Blue as a soldier and that they might have many more as troublesome as him or even stronger over there besides all their weapons, is way more than enough to give them pause.

Goku was fortunate because he encountered a best case scenario when he stormed the place. He didn't find at their base any soldier who was actually strong, they were all much weaker than Blue. And even Black fought him alone with a mecha which in all probability was nowhere near as powerful as #8. Hence, why he had no trouble. Imagine if he had to fight 5 soldiers as troublesome as Blue, 20 sargeants Metallics, an android as powerful as #8 and Black's mecha, all pretty much at the same time. Yeah, Goku would probably be dead. And such a scenario would be entirely possible, even with knowledge that we, as the reader, had of RR. Roshi and Krillin only could guess and naturally they were assuming the worst.

I'm pretty sure they have heard of the red ribbon army before and I'm pretty sure what they feared was the firepower and stamina it would take to raid the whole fortress. Roshi even mentions he wouldn't have the stamina to do what Goku did. They also don't know about Metalic, 8, or blacks mecha so they can't factor that in.

[rereboy]

I'm pretty sure they have heard of the red ribbon army before and I'm pretty sure what they feared was the firepower and stamina it would take to raid the whole fortress. Roshi even mentions he wouldn't have the stamina to do what Goku did. They also don't know about Metalic, 8, or blacks mecha so they can't factor that in.

Those are concerns that add to those that I mentioned and give further validity and reason to their apprehension.

As for Metallic and the others, they didn't have to know about them in particular. They feared RR's advanced weapons in general, which all those guys kind of are. I mentioned those guys to you to make you see that, even though Roshi and Krillin didn't even know about them, they were right to fear that kind of stuff. Even Goku should have been much more cautious in storming the place, since he could very well encounter dozens of weapons like that at their headquarters as far as he knew.

[dbzfan7]

I'm pretty sure they have heard of the red ribbon army before and I'm pretty sure what they feared was the firepower and stamina it would take to raid the whole fortress. Roshi even mentions he wouldn't have the stamina to do what Goku did. They also don't know about Metalic, 8, or blacks mecha so they can't factor that in.

Those are concerns that add to those that I mentioned and give further validity and reason to their apprehension.

As for Metallic and the others, they didn't have to know about them in particular. They feared RR's advanced weapons in general, which all those guys kind of are. I mentioned those guys to you to make you see that, even though Roshi and Krillin didn't even know about them, they were right to fear that kind of stuff. Even Goku should have been much more cautious in storming the place, since he could very well encounter dozens of weapons like that at their headquarters as far as he knew.

I still don't see how one massive Kamehameha from Roshi couldn't have ended the RRA. Muten Roshi thought beating the RRA was impossible. Yet that one max power kamehameha would end them. I still believe that a combined assault from Krillin, Roshi, and Yamcha would have also worked.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm pretty sure they have heard of the red ribbon army before and I'm pretty sure what they feared was the firepower and stamina it would take to raid the whole fortress. Roshi even mentions he wouldn't have the stamina to do what Goku did. They also don't know about Metalic, 8, or blacks mecha so they can't factor that in.

Those are concerns that add to those that I mentioned and give further validity and reason to their apprehension.

As for Metallic and the others, they didn't have to know about them in particular. They feared RR's advanced weapons in general, which all those guys kind of are. I mentioned those guys to you to make you see that, even though Roshi and Krillin didn't even know about them, they were right to fear that kind of stuff. Even Goku should have been much more cautious in storming the place, since he could very well encounter dozens of weapons like that at their headquarters as far as he knew.

I still don't see how one massive Kamehameha from Roshi couldn't have ended the RRA. Muten Roshi thought beating the RRA was impossible. Yet that one attack would end them. I still believe that a combined assault from Krillin, Roshi, and Yamcha would have also worked.

Maybe Toriyama wanted the fans to know that regular humans can still do some damage to the gang.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Beating the RRA would not be as easy as you are all saying. For one thing, they had bases and operations all across the world. And this was back before the heroes could even fly, so getting everywhere to try to stop them was completely impractical. Especially since they could suffer any number of losses but still "win" if they managed to collect all the Dragonballs.

They also had some strong fighters, like Buyon, Tao (even though he was hired as a mercenary), General Blue, various robots...

IIRC Goku even had a little bit of trouble with officer black's mecha, and this was after Goku got training from Karin and fighting Tao, so that mecha would probably have wrecked Krillin or Yamcha at the time.

The RRA was a credible threat.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Beating the RRA would not be as easy as you are all saying. For one thing, they had bases and operations all across the world. And this was back before the heroes could even fly, so getting everywhere to try to stop them was completely impractical. Especially since they could suffer any number of losses but still "win" if they managed to collect all the Dragonballs.

They also had some strong fighters, like Buyon, Tao (even though he was hired as a mercenary), General Blue, various robots...

IIRC Goku even had a little bit of trouble with officer black's mecha, and this was after Goku got training from Karin and fighting Tao, so that mecha would probably have wrecked Krillin or Yamcha at the time.

The RRA was a credible threat.

[rereboy]

I'm pretty sure they have heard of the red ribbon army before and I'm pretty sure what they feared was the firepower and stamina it would take to raid the whole fortress. Roshi even mentions he wouldn't have the stamina to do what Goku did. They also don't know about Metalic, 8, or blacks mecha so they can't factor that in.

Those are concerns that add to those that I mentioned and give further validity and reason to their apprehension.

As for Metallic and the others, they didn't have to know about them in particular. They feared RR's advanced weapons in general, which all those guys kind of are. I mentioned those guys to you to make you see that, even though Roshi and Krillin didn't even know about them, they were right to fear that kind of stuff. Even Goku should have been much more cautious in storming the place, since he could very well encounter dozens of weapons like that at their headquarters as far as he knew.

I still don't see how one massive Kamehameha from Roshi couldn't have ended the RRA. Muten Roshi thought beating the RRA was impossible. Yet that one max power kamehameha would end them. I still believe that a combined assault from Krillin, Roshi, and Yamcha would have also worked.

And blowing Goku together with the base..? Like I said, storming the place to assist Goku is different than just attacking it from afar.

Also, are you forgetting that its almost impossible to get near their base without being noticed? Bulma sent a scout drone to the base, and the drone was noticed and attacked miles before it reached the base. The only reason why the drone was actually able to get near the base was because Bulma is a genius and her drone was even faster Goku's magic cloud. A surprise attack from afar would be very hard to actually accomplish if the RR army wasn't being distracted by something else.

Also, Roshi didn't state it was impossible. He just didn't think Goku would succeed to just walk inside their headquarters and defeat all their soldiers and weapons, since he had serious doubts that even himself would be able to do such a thing, even with assistance. He didn't know that Goku had become stronger (stronger than Tao Pai Pai) and he was assuming that RR headquarters was more powerful than it actually was, since he probably assumed that they might have many officers like Blue or worse and incredible weapons, when they only actually had average soldiers with regular weapons, and one strong mecha.

This could have easily not been the case, since they might have at headquarters several replicas of the dangers of the RR that Goku had already encountered (other androids like #8 willing to fight, other robots like Metallic, maybe many of them, creatures like Buyon, other troublesome officers, more hiper-guns like the one White had or even more powerful, etc) but Goku lucked out and, like I said, only encountered a best case scenario.

[ThePrinceOfSaiyans]

My favourite character is Vegeta.

I cant say a bad word about him. I love every moment of him. Perhaps letting Cell absorb 18 wasn't too smart but he had his reasons?

[Michsi]

I didn't like how Piccolo reacted against Kaioshin at all.
It was clearly not due to strength alone, since he had felt SSJ2 tier power before that, but also due to Kami inside him influencing him (the reaction is in itself pretty Kami-like).
Although his reaction made sense, I disliked Piccolo at that point.

Me too. While I can't say for certain that it wasn't because of the difference in power as well , I still disliked how he simply backed out. Especially when you think that the Kaioshin didn't end up being the hot shot the earlier chapters hinted at.

[dbzfan7]

And blowing Goku together with the base..? Like I said, storming the place to assist Goku is different than just attacking it from afar.

Also, are you forgetting that its almost impossible to get near their base without being noticed? Bulma sent a scout drone to the base, and the drone was noticed and attacked miles before it reached the base. The only reason why the drone was actually able to get near the base was because Bulma is a genius and her drone was even faster Goku's magic cloud. A surprise attack from afar would be very hard to actually accomplish if the RR army wasn't being distracted by something else.

Also, Roshi didn't state it was impossible. He just didn't think Goku would succeed to just walk inside their headquarters and defeat all their soldiers and weapons, since he had serious doubts that even himself would be able to do such a thing, even with assistance. He didn't know that Goku had become stronger (stronger than Tao Pai Pai) and he was assuming that RR headquarters was more powerful than it actually was, since he probably assumed that they might have many officers like Blue or worse and incredible weapons, when they only actually had average soldiers with regular weapons, and one strong mecha.

This could have easily not been the case, since they might have at headquarters several replicas of the dangers of the RR that Goku had already encountered (other androids like #8 willing to fight, other robots like Metallic, maybe many of them, creatures like Buyon, other troublesome officers, more hiper-guns like the one White had or even more powerful, etc) but Goku lucked out and, like I said, only encountered a best case scenario.

You seem to not understand that when I mean Roshi could just blow up the whole base, I mean at any point in the story he could have.

The drone has no way to really defend itself, the others can defend themselves.

Roshi thought it was out of the question to storm the base. If he said it was mad for Goku to do it, then that goes for everyone else. So he pretty much thought it couldn't be done. Yet he contains one attack that could end the entire army in seconds.

They don't know who those people are except for blue. I recall Goku got hit by a sniper rifle and was okay.