Androids 19 & 20 stronger than Freeza?
Re: Androids 19 And 20 > Freeza?
I don't think there's enough evidence for the Androids being weak enough to be at the level where I could accept Piccolo's gains. I don't think I can even accept Piccolo being 25,000,000 at that stage.
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Re: Androids 19 And 20 > Freeza?
The initial #19 & #20? If so, then no, we don't know that they're stronger than base Saiyans.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: It all depends where you put #19 & #20, since all we know is that they are stronger than the base Saiyans
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Re: Androids 19 And 20 > Freeza?
So, I assume you have Sick SS Goku below base Goku?hleV wrote:The initial #19 & #20? If so, then no, we don't know that they're stronger than base Saiyans.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: It all depends where you put #19 & #20, since all we know is that they are stronger than the base Saiyans
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Androids 19 And 20 > Freeza?
Sick SS Goku was owning #19 before #19 absorbed his Kamehameha.
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Re: Androids 19 And 20 > Freeza?
I don't see base Goku surviving from sick SS Goku's hits. I don't see sick SS Goku to be that weak, especially after Tenshinhan's comment.hleV wrote:Sick SS Goku was owning #19 before #19 absorbed his Kamehameha.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Androids 19 And 20 > Freeza?
Well, Gero has a device like scouter that can read powerlevels also and he tought #19 was capable of absorbing Goku's energy and adding to his own before #19 would run out of energy, so initially the difference in battle power is not that great when we compare SS Goku's standing power and #19 at base. Then, you have Tenshinhan quotes comparing Yadrat SS Goku and Android Saga SS Goku. IMO, there are lots of hints that suggests these androids at base were already stronger than Freeza.
Android #19 (Full Power) > Android Saga SS Goku (Standing power) > Android #19 (At base) > Yadrat Goku (In general) > Freeza (In general)
Android #19 (Full Power) > Android Saga SS Goku (Standing power) > Android #19 (At base) > Yadrat Goku (In general) > Freeza (In general)
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Re: Androids 19 And 20 > Freeza?
There's no doubts that the power Mecha Freezer is using against Trunks is much weaker than what a weakened Freezer showed against Goku.hleV wrote:Mecha Freeza being weaker than Namek Freeza is out of question. He may not have powered up to 100% against Trunks, but his maximum is definitely higher. If you don't think it is, you're interpreting it incorrectly. In fact, Freeza may not have intended to power up to 100%, which tires him out, but rather fight at 70% of his power with the help of Cold.
It wasn't fighting at "70%" of his power if he was stronger than before, at best he would fight at 15-20% and that's way too low.
Ten shin han would be surprised even by normal base Goku's power I think. That being said, even if sick SSJ is a bit stronger than base Goku, it's about Freezer we're talking, someone who had much more strenght than that.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't see base Goku surviving from sick SS Goku's hits. I don't see sick SS Goku to be that weak, especially after Tenshinhan's comment.