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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Kakarot88 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:45 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:The funimation dub is the only thing that said Goku could beat Boocollo...but the Japanese version does not say that...like hlev said...why bother mentioning Gohan if he could beat him now.

Though I see this thread blowing up real soon...there's a big CODE ORANGE...though it's not so bad yet so who knows.
It won't "blow up" so long as people remain respectful and do not result to Juvenile tactics and circular reasoning, with appropriate recognition of other's points of view.
I disagree with your above statement because of these lines.
Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P10.4-5
Context: after Gotenks-absorbed Boo's time limit runs out and Gotenks inside him turns back into Goten and Trunks
Goku: “Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…”


"I'm a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own..."
To arrive at your conclusion I must assume your reading of Goku's words is as follows
I'm disappointed that I won't get to fight because your strength has dropped so much that Gohan and I no longer need to fuse because now Gohan and ONLY Goahn can beat you! And despite me being Son Goku and loving to fight stronger opponents I am still for some reason disapointed at your strength because now I find myself in a nebulous situation whereby I am too weak to fight you and fused you would be nothing at all so I'll let my son fight you because I'm no match for you and so best not even try so well shucks that disappoints me. Oh well at least my son and only my son can beat you!"
My reading:
"I'm disapointed, you've gotten a lot weaker, hell even Gohan can bet you at this rate."
Again none of it matters cuz of how Toriyama decided to write the ending...Goku is Numba One!
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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:13 pm

Oh no I respect your opinion...you're cool when it comes to this topic...others though....take it too far.

I see it as Goku wasn't really needed after all. He's disappointed because they went through all the trouble of bringing him back to life and the potara, just for Boo to defuse. Then there's the fact that the plan was to turn Boo back into the fat one as said by Goku, and the fact that they said only fusion would beat Super Boo....size was never mentioned until later.

Also the fact that if Gotenks wasn't at least stronger than Majin Vegeta on his debut...then Goku was going to get his sons killed after he was so confident they could beat Boo that they wouldn't need the ROSAT to prepare, and Majin Vegeta=SSJ2 Goku.
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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:20 pm

Or "I'm disappointed. There is no need for me to merge with Gohan & get an incredible power-up to fight you. Now Gohan alone can beat you, since he doesn't need my help, and I won't be able to fight with you, since I'm not a match for you."

Which seems to be the only optional interpretation, based on later evidence:
  • Goku said that he & Vegeta didn't stand a chance against Evil Boo, except if they were to merge.
  • After Gohan Boo reverted to Evil Boo, he said "We are almost there", and after Evil Boo reverted to Pure Boo he said "We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something", which means that their goal was to weaken Boo so that they will be able to manage something.
Vegeta wanted to use the Genki Dama not because Gohan & Gotenks wouldn't be strong enough, it was because he wanted the Earthlings to take responsibility for once and save their asses with their own power instead of the help of others.

And no, just because Gohan gave his power doesn't mean that the Genki Dama was stronger than him. What they were donating was genki, which is a part of ki (according to Toriyama, ki is composed by things like genki (energy), yuuki (bravery), and shouki (ones true character). Kaioshin couldn't teleport because he had donated all of his genki, meaning that his ki was unusable because of the lack of genki. Besides, Gohan wasn't powered-up into his Ultimate state, and Goten & Trunks didn't turn into Super Saiyans or SS3 Gotenks, meaning that when it comes to genki, battle powers don't matter.
Kakarot88 wrote:Again none of it matters cuz of how Toriyama decided to write the ending...Goku is Numba One!
Vegeta wasn't talking about who the strongest in the universe is, his monologue is all about his rivalry with Goku. He always believed that he was the only one that deserved to be #1, because he was the Saiyan Prince, a super-elite that managed to surpass the King, the strongest Saiyan, in his childhood years, while Goku was a low-class warrior. But now, he finally accepted that Goku is a fighting genius above him, and the superior one from the 2. Meaning that between Goku & Vegeta, Goku is the #1, not Vegeta.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Zantetsuken » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:13 pm

Kakarot88 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:The funimation dub is the only thing that said Goku could beat Boocollo...but the Japanese version does not say that...like hlev said...why bother mentioning Gohan if he could beat him now.

Though I see this thread blowing up real soon...there's a big CODE ORANGE...though it's not so bad yet so who knows.
It won't "blow up" so long as people remain respectful and do not result to Juvenile tactics and circular reasoning, with appropriate recognition of other's points of view.
I disagree with your above statement because of these lines.
Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P10.4-5
Context: after Gotenks-absorbed Boo's time limit runs out and Gotenks inside him turns back into Goten and Trunks
Goku: “Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…”


"I'm a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own..."
To arrive at your conclusion I must assume your reading of Goku's words is as follows
I'm disappointed that I won't get to fight because your strength has dropped so much that Gohan and I no longer need to fuse because now Gohan and ONLY Goahn can beat you! And despite me being Son Goku and loving to fight stronger opponents I am still for some reason disapointed at your strength because now I find myself in a nebulous situation whereby I am too weak to fight you and fused you would be nothing at all so I'll let my son fight you because I'm no match for you and so best not even try so well shucks that disappoints me. Oh well at least my son and only my son can beat you!"
My reading:
"I'm disapointed, you've gotten a lot weaker, hell even Gohan can bet you at this rate."
Again none of it matters cuz of how Toriyama decided to write the ending...Goku is Numba One!
I LOL'D at this. And of course I agree. Honestly I don't even care that much, I know what I believe and nothing short of them coming out and stating Gohan is stronger will make me believe otherwise.

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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:19 pm

Zantetsuken wrote: I LOL'D at this. And of course I agree. Honestly I don't even care that much, I know what I believe and nothing short of them coming out and stating Gohan is stronger will make me believe otherwise.
If you're not open for discussing other viewpoints, why even bother posting?
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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Zantetsuken » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:22 pm

We did it, this way we can manage something - Oh wait he's getting stronger.

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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Zantetsuken » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:23 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Zantetsuken wrote: I LOL'D at this. And of course I agree. Honestly I don't even care that much, I know what I believe and nothing short of them coming out and stating Gohan is stronger will make me believe otherwise.
If you're not open for discussing other viewpoints, why even bother posting?
I'm not discussing anything. I'm TELLING you what I believe and at no time was I disrespectful about it. So how about you mind your own business and police yourself? ;)

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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:35 pm

Zantetsuken wrote:We did it, this way we can manage something - Oh wait he's getting stronger.
It happened the other way around.

Gohan Boo -- Evil Boo - Nice, we are getting close! But we still don't stand a chance against him.
Evil Boo --> S. Kaioshin Boo - WTF?! He is getting stronger?
S. Kaioshin Boo --> Pure Boo - Wait a minute... there we are! We can manage something now! I can kill him with SS3 at full power!

These were the reactions.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:54 pm

Zantetsuken wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Zantetsuken wrote: I LOL'D at this. And of course I agree. Honestly I don't even care that much, I know what I believe and nothing short of them coming out and stating Gohan is stronger will make me believe otherwise.
If you're not open for discussing other viewpoints, why even bother posting?
I'm not discussing anything. I'm TELLING you what I believe and at no time was I disrespectful about it. So how about you mind your own business and police yourself? ;)
This is a public forum, so asking me to "mind my own business" doesn't really make much sense, since by posting here, you are opening yourself up to comments and criticism. And, as I said, if you're not willing to engage in discussion about it, why should anyone care what you believe? You're just saying "I think Goku is strongest, and nothing can convince me otherwise!" Well, good for you. But if you don't care what other people have to say about this subject, why should we care what you think? The point of a forum is discussion, not stating beliefs without being willing to deal with people disagreeing with you.
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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Zantetsuken » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:56 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Zantetsuken wrote:We did it, this way we can manage something - Oh wait he's getting stronger.
It happened the other way around.

Gohan Boo -- Evil Boo - Nice, we are getting close! But we still don't stand a chance against him.
Evil Boo --> S. Kaioshin Boo - WTF?! He is getting stronger?
S. Kaioshin Boo --> Pure Boo - Wait a minute... there we are! We can manage something now! I can kill him with SS3 at full power!

These were the reactions.
I don't remember that being the case at all. And I don't know what this S. Kaioshinn Buu is, I've never seen him before. I remember him getting more powerful and then him getting physically smaller.
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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Zantetsuken » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:58 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:This is a public forum, so asking me to "mind my own business" doesn't really make much sense, since by posting here, you are opening yourself up to comments and criticism. And, as I said, if you're not willing to engage in discussion about it, why should anyone care what you believe? You're just saying "I think Goku is strongest, and nothing can convince me otherwise!" Well, good for you. But if you don't care what other people have to say about this subject, why should we care what you think? The point of a forum is discussion, not stating beliefs without being willing to deal with people disagreeing with you.
Hey. Mind your business and stop talking me. ;)

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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:08 pm

Zantetsuken wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:This is a public forum, so asking me to "mind my own business" doesn't really make much sense, since by posting here, you are opening yourself up to comments and criticism. And, as I said, if you're not willing to engage in discussion about it, why should anyone care what you believe? You're just saying "I think Goku is strongest, and nothing can convince me otherwise!" Well, good for you. But if you don't care what other people have to say about this subject, why should we care what you think? The point of a forum is discussion, not stating beliefs without being willing to deal with people disagreeing with you.
Hey. Mind your business and stop talking me. ;)
Again, public forum. You don't have a monopoly on the topic. If I (or anyone else) sees a problem with something you post, then we can bring it up. I'm not telling you to do anything; I'm just advising you that if you are not willing to accept others' viewpoints, then why should anyone listen to you? The "and nothing can convince me otherwise" quote you made earlier is confrontational, and does not invite discussion, which goes against the purpose of a forum.

I'm just offering advice. Take it or leave it, but don't get mad because I called you out on this.
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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Zantetsuken » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:11 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Zantetsuken wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:This is a public forum, so asking me to "mind my own business" doesn't really make much sense, since by posting here, you are opening yourself up to comments and criticism. And, as I said, if you're not willing to engage in discussion about it, why should anyone care what you believe? You're just saying "I think Goku is strongest, and nothing can convince me otherwise!" Well, good for you. But if you don't care what other people have to say about this subject, why should we care what you think? The point of a forum is discussion, not stating beliefs without being willing to deal with people disagreeing with you.
Hey. Mind your business and stop talking me. ;)
Again, public forum. You don't have a monopoly on the topic. If I (or anyone else) sees a problem with something you post, then we can bring it up. I'm not telling you to do anything; I'm just advising you that if you are not willing to accept others' viewpoints, then why should anyone listen to you? The "and nothing can convince me otherwise" quote you made earlier is confrontational, and does not invite discussion, which goes against the purpose of a forum.

I'm just offering advice. Take it or leave it, but don't get mad because I called you out on this.
Hey, there is a topic that your ignoring to talk to me, I'm not even reading what your posting at this point.
Police someone else who cares.

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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

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Zantetsuken wrote:I don't remember that being the case at all.
I can confirm that it's true.
Zantetsuken wrote:And I don't know what this S. Kaioshinn Buu is, I've never seen him before. I remember him getting more powerful and then him getting physically smaller.
It's South Kaioshin Boo - a form of Pure Boo with South Kaioshin absorbed (the bulky one). Both Dai Kaioshin & (a few seconds later) South Kaioshin powers were transfered to Mr. Boo, so Pure Boo no longer had the power of South Kaioshin. This is when Goku & Vegeta realized that they've made it - they powered Boo down so that SS3 Goku can now kill him.

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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:20 pm

Zantetsuken wrote: Hey, there is a topic that your ignoring to talk to me, I'm not even reading what your posting at this point.
Police someone else who cares.
I'm not "policing" anyone. At no point have I told you to do anything, nor have I threatened you with any kind of reprisals (as if I could, anyway.) You are the one who seems to be getting angry here; I'm just trying to give advice to a new member. If you have a problem with that, well, that's your problem. Just don't respond. But "Police someone who cares" and "I'm not even reading what your posting" are deliberately antagonistic.

And as for on topic, South Kaioshin Buu is the really bulked-up Buu that forms briefly when Mr. Buu is ripped out. The Old Kaioshin goes on to say that this Buu is the one that Pure Buu became after absorbing South Kaioshin.

Edit: HleV beat me to it.
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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Zantetsuken » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:22 pm

hleV wrote:
Zantetsuken wrote:I don't remember that being the case at all.
I can confirm that it's true.
Zantetsuken wrote:And I don't know what this S. Kaioshinn Buu is, I've never seen him before. I remember him getting more powerful and then him getting physically smaller.
It's South Kaioshin Boo - a form of Pure Boo with South Kaioshin absorbed (the bulky one). Both Dai Kaioshin & (a few seconds later) South Kaioshin powers were transfered to Mr. Boo, so Pure Boo no longer had the power of South Kaioshin. This is when Goku & Vegeta realized that they've made it - they powered Boo down so that SS3 Goku can now kill him.
Yeah that never happened.

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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:23 pm

Zantetsuken wrote:I don't remember that being the case at all. And I don't know what this S. Kaioshinn Buu is, I've never seen him before. I remember him getting more powerful and then him getting physically smaller.
The S. Kaioshin Boo is the huge Boo. Pure Boo absorbed South Kaioshin, and transformed into that form. Then he absorbed the Dai Kaioshin, and transformed into Fat Boo, and got weaker.
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”


When Evil Boo turned into S. Kaioshin Boo, Goku & Vegeta noticed that his ki was increasing, and they started getting scared.
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P1.3
Context: evil Boo continues to revert to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “…H-hey…He’s changed into an awfully bulky guy…”


And then, Boo transformed again, this time into Pure Boo:
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P2.3-7, P3.3
Context: after reverting to his South Kaioshin form, Boo continues to change
Vegeta: “…Look…He intends to perform another transformation…”
[ ]
Goku: “…I wish he’d cut that out…”
Kaioshin: “Th-this can’t be…it’s impossible…He’s cha-changing back…”
*Boo changes back into his pure form*
Kaioshin: “…I…I knew it…”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
Note: "He’s shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Boo’s body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Boo's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here.

Goku got scared when he heard that Boo was transforming again, fearing that he would get even stronger. However, it turns out that he didn't get stronger, since they start mocking him & believed that they had a chance, unlike before against Evil Boo. And even though they admitted that they underestimated Pure Boo, they still believed that they could kill him with Super Saiyan 3.
Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P13.1
Context: still talking about how they’re no match for Boo
Goku: “…But there is one way we can win!”
Vegeta: “You want to say Fusion, right? Well who cares about that?!”
Goku: “Huh? You know about it?”
Vegeta: “I saw it from the afterlife…You’ve got to be joking! You think I’d perform those ugly poses…?! Anyway, I thought I told you that I’m not going to merge with you a second time.”

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P2.4-5
Context: after evil Boo appears inside his own body
Vegeta: “Da…damn it…! Th-this could be bad…”
Goku: “Di-didn’t I tell your to wear your Potara?! Th-this is why! If we could just go outside and merge, then this kind of guy would be an easy victory!”


Against Evil Boo, Fusion or Potara was their only hope. S. Kaioshin Boo was even stronger. But Pure Boo could be handled without Fusion or Potara.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Zantetsuken » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:46 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Zantetsuken wrote:I don't remember that being the case at all. And I don't know what this S. Kaioshinn Buu is, I've never seen him before. I remember him getting more powerful and then him getting physically smaller.
The S. Kaioshin Boo is the huge Boo. Pure Boo absorbed South Kaioshin, and transformed into that form. Then he absorbed the Dai Kaioshin, and transformed into Fat Boo, and got weaker.
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”


When Evil Boo turned into S. Kaioshin Boo, Goku & Vegeta noticed that his ki was increasing, and they started getting scared.
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P1.3
Context: evil Boo continues to revert to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “…H-hey…He’s changed into an awfully bulky guy…”


And then, Boo transformed again, this time into Pure Boo:
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P2.3-7, P3.3
Context: after reverting to his South Kaioshin form, Boo continues to change
Vegeta: “…Look…He intends to perform another transformation…”
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Goku: “…I wish he’d cut that out…”
Kaioshin: “Th-this can’t be…it’s impossible…He’s cha-changing back…”
*Boo changes back into his pure form*
Kaioshin: “…I…I knew it…”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
Note: "He’s shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Boo’s body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Boo's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here.

Goku got scared when he heard that Boo was transforming again, fearing that he would get even stronger. However, it turns out that he didn't get stronger, since they start mocking him & believed that they had a chance, unlike before against Evil Boo. And even though they admitted that they underestimated Pure Boo, they still believed that they could kill him with Super Saiyan 3.
Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P13.1
Context: still talking about how they’re no match for Boo
Goku: “…But there is one way we can win!”
Vegeta: “You want to say Fusion, right? Well who cares about that?!”
Goku: “Huh? You know about it?”
Vegeta: “I saw it from the afterlife…You’ve got to be joking! You think I’d perform those ugly poses…?! Anyway, I thought I told you that I’m not going to merge with you a second time.”

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P2.4-5
Context: after evil Boo appears inside his own body
Vegeta: “Da…damn it…! Th-this could be bad…”
Goku: “Di-didn’t I tell your to wear your Potara?! Th-this is why! If we could just go outside and merge, then this kind of guy would be an easy victory!”


Against Evil Boo, Fusion or Potara was their only hope. S. Kaioshin Boo was even stronger. But Pure Boo could be handled without Fusion or Potara.



Again, where in the media does it mention this South Kaioshinn Buu. He doesn't exist.
I've watched the anime, I've read (own) the manga, I've seen the media - He's not even a playable character in the games. It's a stupid fan theory that people use to justify whatever conclusion they want.

We know that the final Buu was stronger or more threatening than the rest - he's said to power up and NEVER ONCE did it mention his power go down. SHOW me a statement that says otherwise.
We KNOW that he's dangerous - Vegeta becomes arrogant and Goku agrees, while the Kaioshinn foreshadows he's one of the worst Buus (while implying again) that his power has actually increased.
FYI, Porta was recommend as a way to beat him - even more so than SuperBuu. So there goes that theory.

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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:51 pm

Zantetsuken wrote:
Again, where in the media does it mention this South Kaioshinn Buu. He doesn't exist.
I've watched the anime, I've read (own) the manga, I've seen the media - He's not even a playable character in the games. It's a stupid fan theory that people use to justify whatever conclusion they want.

We know that the final Buu was stronger or more threatening than the rest - he's said to power up and NEVER ONCE did it mention his power go down. SHOW me a statement that says otherwise.
We KNOW that he's dangerous - Vegeta becomes arrogant and Goku agrees, while the Kaioshinn foreshadows he's one of the worst Buus (while implying again) that his power has actually increased.
FYI, Porta was recommend as a way to beat him - even more so than SuperBuu. So there goes that theory.
From the strength checker.
---South Kaioshin-absorbed--- [#BO3#BOO#SKS]

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P1.3
Context: evil Boo continues to revert to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “…H-hey…He’s changed into an awfully bulky guy…”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.3-4
Context: Kaioshin explains Boo's history
Kaioshin: “…First, two [Kaioshins] were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo…..”
Elder Kaioshin: …And he become that huge Boo from before?“
Kaioshin: “…Yes……”
As for pictures, here's one from the anime,
and here's one from the manga
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Re: Battle of Gods bio for Gohan

Post by Zantetsuken » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:53 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Zantetsuken wrote:
Again, where in the media does it mention this South Kaioshinn Buu. He doesn't exist.
I've watched the anime, I've read (own) the manga, I've seen the media - He's not even a playable character in the games. It's a stupid fan theory that people use to justify whatever conclusion they want.

We know that the final Buu was stronger or more threatening than the rest - he's said to power up and NEVER ONCE did it mention his power go down. SHOW me a statement that says otherwise.
We KNOW that he's dangerous - Vegeta becomes arrogant and Goku agrees, while the Kaioshinn foreshadows he's one of the worst Buus (while implying again) that his power has actually increased.
FYI, Porta was recommend as a way to beat him - even more so than SuperBuu. So there goes that theory.
From the strength checker.
---South Kaioshin-absorbed--- [#BO3#BOO#SKS]

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P1.3
Context: evil Boo continues to revert to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “…H-hey…He’s changed into an awfully bulky guy…”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.3-4
Context: Kaioshin explains Boo's history
Kaioshin: “…First, two [Kaioshins] were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo…..”
Elder Kaioshin: …And he become that huge Boo from before?“
Kaioshin: “…Yes……”
As for pictures, here's one from the anime,
and here's one from the manga
Looks like SuperBuu to me.

Hey Look, it's South Kaioshinn absorbed Cell :roll:
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