Can King Cold transform?

[RandomGuy96]

Eh, the Dragon Books also say Pure Boo is the strongest Boo, so I'm not sure how much I can trust their judgment here.

Well, in the anime that's kinda-sorta-not-really true. So perhaps the transformation note only applies to anime King Cold, who's far stronger than canon King Cold given what he says about Freeza.

[RandomGuy96]

Well, here's something I recently thought about. Is it possible that King Cold is already in his 'final' form? There's some distinct differences between Cold and second form Freeza, most prominently those pink lines along Freeza's arms and legs. They make the form look unnatural. Cold doesn't have these, he has regular purple skin similar to Cooler.

Cooler is rather interesting to discuss here. He looks a lot more like King Cold than Freeza does; smooth, purple skin, lack of those crystal things anywhere but his head, different texture between the "dome" and the rest of the face (making it look like a helmet), red lines underneath his eyes, hard white parts that look like armor on parts of his legs and arms, and a dark blue shade for his crystal-like parts as opposed to Freeza's purple. I feel like it should be noted that these two are both older than Freeza.

Only two things are kind of off here: one, Cold does actually have a few of those pink lines along those parts of his arms. Two, he of course has horns, though I think, like the "chest armor", that's just another feature Freeza's species gains as they get older. Anyway, if you took off the horns and the armor, wouldn't Cold look a lot like true form Cooler?





(not the best pictures, but just for a quick general comparison)

So I guess a younger Cold would look like this:

[Kaboom]

If something came out and said that was his true form, I probably wouldn't be surprised. But there's been some pretty tight consistency with how the "true forms" look between Freeza, Coola, and even Kuriza over the years, and so some parts of Cold (mainly the spikes and all the stripey parts) don't really fit that motif. Then again, other newer Freeza-race designs like Chilled and the characters in Heroes have exclusively had 1st-form Freeza-like designs. So it's all kind of up in the air.

I think I still find my fanon explanation most comfortable: Cold's power is portioned out differently among his suppression forms (of which he may only have the one we saw him in), but his maximum in his true form is still less than Freeza's anyway.

[RandomGuy96]

Well, Cooler was designed by Toriyama, right? And his movie was released a few days after Trunks killed King Cold. I just thought it might be notable; they look alike and are both older than Freeza. Freeza looks very little like his father and brother. I don't know if Toriyama was doing this intentionally, but I doubt that Cold has any more transformations either way; this IS Dragon Ball after all. When has someone ever NOT been able to reach a transformation they had?

[Saiga]

The unseen Oozaru of Raditz and Nappa?

[KentalSSJ6]

The unseen Oozaru of Raditz and Nappa?

Didnt every single Saiyan get a Oozaru form in BT3?

[Saiga]

The unseen Oozaru of Raditz and Nappa?

Didnt every single Saiyan get a Oozaru form in BT3?

Well, yeah. But we didn't see them in the manga or anime.

[Kid Buu]

King Cold could have transformed and beat Trunks easily. He allowed himself to be killed so he could be with his son in the afterlife, he's that great of a father.

[KentalSSJ6]

King Cold could have transformed and beat Trunks easily. He allowed himself to be killed so he could be with his son in the afterlife, he's that great of a father.

Again, another reason we could have gotten the Goku VS Freeza and Cold fight animated. Could have been a great way to show Cold transform. Its not like Freeza would be able to do anything to Goku at that point anyway.

[RandomGuy96]

The unseen Oozaru of Raditz and Nappa?

Didnt every single Saiyan get a Oozaru form in BT3?

Well, yeah. But we didn't see them in the manga or anime.

Well, I'm kind of counting video games in here. I figure if he really did have this form, we'd see it SOMEWHERE. We'd receive some mention or hint of it in the manga. Yet we don't...

I don't really count the Ozaru forms, because for every saiyan it'd look the same- and we know every saiyan has it- whereas Cold obviously wouldn't be identical to Freeza in their respective final forms, if he has a 'final form' at all. I really do think that the form we see him in is his true form, and the horns are just something his species gets as they get older. He looks rather similar to Cooler without them. The only questionable thing is the stripey parts on his forearm armor.

[Saiga]

Oh, right. Well, in Cold's case those involved in producing games and other spin-offs might not even know themselves what Cold's deal is. That or it's just not as easy as designing an Oozaru or Super Saiyan 3 form for someone who hasn't shown it. But then, we've had some more creative what-ifs, so it shouldn't be unreasonable for someone to create a transformation for him... so I think I might go with my first thought.

[RandomGuy96]

If something came out and said that was his true form, I probably wouldn't be surprised. But there's been some pretty tight consistency with how the "true forms" look between Freeza, Coola, and even Kuriza over the years, and so some parts of Cold (mainly the spikes and all the stripey parts) don't really fit that motif. Then again, other newer Freeza-race designs like Chilled and the characters in Heroes have exclusively had 1st-form Freeza-like designs. So it's all kind of up in the air.

Just to clarify: do you think Chilled could have transformed as well? He has the "spikey and stripey parts".

[Kaboom]

Just to clarify: do you think Chilled could have transformed as well? He has the "spikey and stripey parts".

Beats me. I remember something from Toriyama saying that Freeza's grandfather was the first super-powerful mutant in the family or something to that effect, so depending on how long ago Chilled was around, things may have worked differently then.

[RandomGuy96]

It would be interesting if you could find that. Toriyama's hardly said anything about Freeza's species.

Me, I just see Chilled as further proof Freeza's transformations aren't the norm. He has horns and stripes, like Cold and Freeza's repressed forms, but he doesn't appear able to transform. Kuriza from that one gag manga can, but he's the son of Freeza, so the smooth looking "true form" he, Freeza, and Cooler have is probably just a mutation in this generation. Didn't Toriyama describe Freeza as a "hybrid" anyway? I mean yeah, the Dragon Books suggest that everyone of Freeza's species can transform, but these are the same sources that say Pure Buu is stronger than Buuhan. I think that Freeza modeled his first and second suppressed forms on his ancestor and father respectively. Makes me wonder what he based his third form on.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, I managed to remember one specific phrase from it, and found it in an old Herms thread. I guess everyone can chew on this as they please:

Origin of Freeza’s clan? (roughly Age 550~Age 650?)
--A spontaneous mutation results in a descendant of the space pirate Chilled being born as one of the first of a new hybrid species with tremendous power. In time, the mutant’s son Cold and Cold’s son Freeza use their power to take control of many planets, gathering talented warriors from throughout the universe into a mercenary army under their rule.

[Ref: In the first issue of Viz’s Shonen Jump, released in January 2003, Toriyama says of Freeza’s species that “there aren't many of them, but perhaps they are a new hybrid species that came into existence from an accidental spontaneous mutation in our grandfathers' time.” My suspicion is that “our grandfathers’ time” is some typo or mistranslation and that Toriyama was talking about Freeza’s grandfather, because what relevance do “our” grandfathers have to the question? But there’s no way to know for sure. Still, I’m stubbornly going with what I think is right, though it’s difficult to date when Freeza’s grandfather’s time would be. How old is Freeza? He’s first mentioned in the Daizenshuu 7 timeline in 731, but already seems to have established his land shark business by then, and he looks the same when destroying Planet Vegeta in 737 as he does during the Namek arc in 762, though this is probably due to character design laziness more than anything (and his species might age in ways unnoticeable to us). Freeza’s interest in eternal life could suggest he’s getting on in years. I’m arbitrarily assuming Freeza’s race has an average lifespan not too different from Earthlings, placing the birth of Freeza’s grandfather roughly 100~200 years before Age 731. The explanation of how Freeza started up is from SEG: Character Volume. Chilled is from Episode of Bardock. If we assume Freeza’s race can live hundreds of years, it’s possible Chilled himself is Freeza’s grandfather and the original mutant.]

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Since Chilled is simply called an ancestor of Cold and not his father, I guess that Chilled is at least Cold's grandfather.

Me, I just see Chilled as further proof Freeza's transformations aren't the norm.

Same here. It's also interesting that Chilled & Coola are both designed by Toriyama. Coola's true form was made similar to Freeza's (and Kuriza's) true form, but since they weren't planning to have Chilled transforming, then why didn't Toriyama make Chilled's true form similar to Freeza's, Coola's, and Kuriza's true forms?

[Kamiccolo9]

Since Chilled is simply called an ancestor of Cold and not his father, I guess that Chilled is at least Cold's grandchild.

Me, I just see Chilled as further proof Freeza's transformations aren't the norm.

Same here.

I think you mean grandfather

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Since Chilled is simply called an ancestor of Cold and not his father, I guess that Chilled is at least Cold's grandchild.

Me, I just see Chilled as further proof Freeza's transformations aren't the norm.

Same here.

I think you mean grandfather

W-What are you talking about, are you editing my posts in the quotes?!

[Kamiccolo9]

W-What are you talking about, are you editing my posts in the quotes?!

Ah, I see what you did there. Crafty, this one is.

[dbgtFO]

No, I don't think he can transform, as I don't see any reason for it.
With the example of Chilled it gives me the impression, that perhaps Freeza and Cold are the only ones who have the transforming ability, whereas Chilled and King Cold are stuck in the equivalents of first form Freeza and second form Freeza respectively.

Maybe transforming is theoretically possible for every member of Freeza's race, it might just be that only Freeza and Coola learn how to do it with Coola going even as far as a Fifth form.