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And I'll just quote what the mod who locked that topic said.Kakashi wrote: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8433898/1/
Wow. It's almost like he's talking about all the posts you make here, isn't it?I've seen this before and it was junked last time before I got a chance to read a 1/4 of it. This is the same argument that isn't going to go anywhere so I'm locking it. Please don't make another one either. We have plenty of these around already anyway.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
No, he wanted to try Fusion with Gohan in general. The movies show that Gohan can power-up into Ultimate like he does with Super Saiyan, and the manga hints this.Kakashi wrote:He also wanted to use fusion with Ultimate Gohan.
The kids only managed this once, and the anime has many times weaker fighters managing something against much stronger fighters: Base Goku, Trunks, and Vegeta could fight with #13, #14, and #15 respectively, while they only managed to defeat them as Super Saiyans without much ease, base Goku could fight with Paikuhan, base Goku could fight with SS Broli, who could tank hits from SS Vegeta, etc, etc.Kakashi wrote:The kids attacked him straightly. Dunno what you are talking about
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
This is based on two tenets:Zantetsuken wrote:For me, M8 Broli is beyond SSJ, almost SSJ2 level making him stronger than Normal Cell.
M10 Broli is obviously above a SSJ2 judging by the way he easily trashes Gohan.
I just wish the expanded on him a bit more...
That was not me posting it and the mod talked about the amount of times this post was made there. If someone posts something useful but some idiot denies it so it must be wrong? You didn't even bother checking it. Lol bias at its finestKamiccolo9 wrote:And I'll just quote what the mod who locked that topic said.Kakashi wrote: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8433898/1/Wow. It's almost like he's talking about all the posts you make here, isn't it?I've seen this before and it was junked last time before I got a chance to read a 1/4 of it. This is the same argument that isn't going to go anywhere so I'm locking it. Please don't make another one either. We have plenty of these around already anyway.
You just mentioned various drama effects. That's not the same thing. Ultimate Gohan doesn't have abase state and you mentioned non canonDBZGTKOSDH wrote:No, he wanted to try Fusion with Gohan in general. The movies show that Gohan can power-up into Ultimate like he does with Super Saiyan, and the manga hints this.Kakashi wrote:He also wanted to use fusion with Ultimate Gohan.
The kids only managed this once, and the anime has many times weaker fighters managing something against much stronger fighters: Base Goku, Trunks, and Vegeta could fight with #13, #14, and #15 respectively, while they only managed to defeat them as Super Saiyans without much ease, base Goku could fight with Paikuhan, base Goku could fight with SS Broli, who could tank hits from SS Vegeta, etc, etc.Kakashi wrote:The kids attacked him straightly. Dunno what you are talking about
... What?Kakashi wrote:You just mentioned various drama effects. That's not the same thing.
Manga shows that it does have a base state, with Daizenshuu, M13, and BoG supporting this.Kakashi wrote:Ultimate Gohan doesn't have abase state and you mentioned non canon
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
I don't care if you're the guy who posted it or not. That's beside the point. The point is that there, just as it is here, there are people who don't agree with your viewpoint. Get that through your head. I'm not saying your wrong, and I never have, only that it is not a fact. Honestly, it's not that hard of a concept to grasp.Kakashi wrote:That was not me posting it and the mod talked about the amount of times this post was made there. If someone posts something useful but some idiot denies it so it must be wrong? You didn't even bother checking it. Lol bias at its finestKamiccolo9 wrote:And I'll just quote what the mod who locked that topic said.Kakashi wrote: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8433898/1/Wow. It's almost like he's talking about all the posts you make here, isn't it?I've seen this before and it was junked last time before I got a chance to read a 1/4 of it. This is the same argument that isn't going to go anywhere so I'm locking it. Please don't make another one either. We have plenty of these around already anyway.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I'm not sure about the Daizenshuu, but the manga/anime and BoG only shows him doing a regular power-up, while movie 13 portrays it like a literal transformation not unlike when Old Kai first told instructed him to power up like a SSJ.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Manga shows that it does have a base state, with Daizenshuu, M13, and BoG supporting this.
Seems fair enough. Though SSJ2 Vegeta is weaker than SSj2 Kid Gohan. Well I think that because of how everyone mention how Gohan as a kid was the shit in DBZ. Also because Piccolo could't tell the differnece between Majin Vegeta and Kid Gohan. Which means the gap can't be huge.KentalSSJ6 wrote:I personally go with the following.
Movie 8 Broly < SSJ2 Gohan, Perfect Cell, Super Perfect Cell.
Movie 10 Broly < SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta.
Ditto. Neither of them have very impressive feats:KentalSSJ6 wrote:I personally go with the following.
Movie 8 Broly < SSJ2 Gohan, Perfect Cell, Super Perfect Cell.
Movie 10 Broly < SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Except when Majin Vegeta witnessed Goku go SSJ2, he clearly states Goku's SSJ2 surpassed Cell Saga Gohan's SSJ2 and Vegeta fought evenly with Goku the entire time.TheGmGoken wrote:Seems fair enough. Though SSJ2 Vegeta is weaker than SSj2 Kid Gohan. Well I think that because of how everyone mention how Gohan as a kid was the shit in DBZ. Also because Piccolo could't tell the differnece between Majin Vegeta and Kid Gohan. Which means the gap can't be huge.KentalSSJ6 wrote:I personally go with the following.
Movie 8 Broly < SSJ2 Gohan, Perfect Cell, Super Perfect Cell.
Movie 10 Broly < SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I meant regular Vegeta not Majin Vegeta. Aka Pre Majin Vegeta I have weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. SSj2 Vegeta got his ASS KICKED by Pure Boo in the manga. He didn't even land at hit. Vegeta is just durable.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Except when Majin Vegeta witnessed Goku go SSJ2, he clearly states Goku's SSJ2 surpassed Cell Saga Gohan's SSJ2 and Vegeta fought evenly with Goku the entire time.TheGmGoken wrote:Seems fair enough. Though SSJ2 Vegeta is weaker than SSj2 Kid Gohan. Well I think that because of how everyone mention how Gohan as a kid was the shit in DBZ. Also because Piccolo could't tell the differnece between Majin Vegeta and Kid Gohan. Which means the gap can't be huge.KentalSSJ6 wrote:I personally go with the following.
Movie 8 Broly < SSJ2 Gohan, Perfect Cell, Super Perfect Cell.
Movie 10 Broly < SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta.
SSJ2 Vegeta also put up a hell of a fight against Kid Buu so Goku could charge the Spirit Bomb.
