I keep imagining his nucleus just attaching to his lower body and regenerating from there.hleV wrote:Well what about if Cell gets cut in half and his upper half is destroyed except for the nucleous in his head? Would his nucleous only regenerate the upper half and then merge with the lower one? We know that Cell's nucleous is able to regenerate the whole body, but we also know that his lower half is able to regenerate the upper half. This is just fucked up.
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It's more improved, but it's shown to work the same way.RandomGuy96 wrote:Cell isn't like the Namekians. His regeneration is obviously quite different, even if the ability first originates from them.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Nope. Piccolo, the strongest Namekian in history, can't regenerate if his head is destroyed by his own admission. Cell regenerated with a destroyed head twice.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It's more improved, but it's shown to work the same way.RandomGuy96 wrote:Cell isn't like the Namekians. His regeneration is obviously quite different, even if the ability first originates from them.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Like I said, it's improved, but works the same way. It regrows parts, it doesn't heal wounds.RandomGuy96 wrote:Nope. Piccolo, the strongest Namekian in history, can't regenerate if his head is destroyed by his own admission. Cell regenerated with a destroyed head twice.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It's more improved, but it's shown to work the same way.RandomGuy96 wrote:Cell isn't like the Namekians. His regeneration is obviously quite different, even if the ability first originates from them.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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How does it not heal wounds?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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It does heal wounds, but only by regrowing missing limbs (or whole new body). Namekians & Cell are never shown to regenerate wounds like holes, or scratches, or bruises.RandomGuy96 wrote:How does it not heal wounds?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread
it doesn't heal wounds
???It does heal wounds
Cell regenerates from a hole in the chest. So does Piccolo. Both regenerate after being blown to pieces.Namekians & Cell are never shown to regenerate wounds like holes, or scratches, or bruises.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread
My point was that it doesn't regenerate any wounds, only by regrowing parts of the body, or even the whole body.???
When?RandomGuy96 wrote:Cell regenerates from a hole in the chest. So does Piccolo.
Both regenerate after being blown to pieces.
I wrote:It does heal wounds, but only by regrowing missing limbs (or whole new body)
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread
Gohan punches a hole in Cell and Cell shoots a hole through Piccolo.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread
What? When did that happen?RandomGuy96 wrote:Gohan punches a hole in Cell
No, Piccolo lost the left side of his body, he didn't have a hole.Cell shoots a hole through Piccolo.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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He's thinking of Bojack.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What? When did that happen?RandomGuy96 wrote:Gohan punches a hole in Cell
This is what happen when Gohan punched Cell.
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Fine, Freeza's Death Beam.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:No, Piccolo lost the left side of his body, he didn't have a hole.Cell shoots a hole through Piccolo.
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Didn't Dende heal that not Piccolo himself.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Fine, Freeza's Death Beam.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:No, Piccolo lost the left side of his body, he didn't have a hole.Cell shoots a hole through Piccolo.
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I dunno. Admittedly, been a long time since I watched it. Just assuming that Piccolo healed the hole so he wouldn't die, then Dende did his magic touch to heal him from being mostly dead and removing all his blood and scuffs.TheGmGoken wrote:Didn't Dende heal that not Piccolo himself.
Honestly, I just don't see the issue here. Even if he did and we're never shown him healing from something similar in the manga, how can Piccolo not heal a simple hole? I mean, he can heal from being shattered in the Buu Arc, but a tiny hole shot through him would be outside of his regeneration ability? I don't buy it. The Daizenshu don't state anything about only being able to regrow from completely severed sections either, they mention being able to return the body structure to normal. No specific limitations other than having their head in one piece.
Regeneration
Characteristics
A technique that regenerates one's own body. It's the special ability of the Namekians. As long as their head remains, they have the ability to regenerate from any condition. Cell inherited this ability, and could always regenerate as long as the nucleus in his head remained intact. In contrast to this, Majin Buu could always completely restore himself, even if he just a single piece of flesh remained, just so long as he wasn't totally annihilated. Each time Cell regenerated, he bragged about having Piccolo's cells inside him.
Regeneration
As long as their head is intact, they can return to normal.
Namekians can regenerate their body structure, though this consumes a considerable amount strength. According to one theory, it seems that as long as their head remains they can regenerate all of their bodies' structure, returning a hand or leg to normal. There are also examples of them cutting off arms injured in battle, then regenerating them.
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Piccolo didn't regenerate from Freeza's Death Beam, and Piccolo Daimao would have survived if he could have regenerated. Piccolo couldn't even regenerate his broken arm, and he had to tear it off to regrow a new one. The Namekians & Cell are only shown to regenerate only by regrowing back missing parts of their body.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Nope. I forgot about one. Piccolo healed the holes from #20's eye beams through his chest.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Piccolo didn't regenerate from Freeza's Death Beam, and Piccolo Daimao would have survived if he could have regenerated. Piccolo couldn't even regenerate his broken arm, and he had to tear it off to regrow a new one. The Namekians & Cell are only shown to regenerate only by regrowing back missing parts of their body.
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We don't know if he was really wounded from that attack.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Nope. I forgot about one. Piccolo healed the holes from #20's eye beams through his chest.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Piccolo didn't regenerate from Freeza's Death Beam, and Piccolo Daimao would have survived if he could have regenerated. Piccolo couldn't even regenerate his broken arm, and he had to tear it off to regrow a new one. The Namekians & Cell are only shown to regenerate only by regrowing back missing parts of their body.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Plothole Reconciliation Thread
#20's eye lasers didn't pierce Piccolo's body, only the clothes.
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And if Namekians can really regenerate holes, then we have a plot hole as big as the hole in Piccolo Daimao's body.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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There was blood in the manga.hleV wrote:#20's eye lasers didn't pierce Piccolo's body, only the clothes.