Toonami will air the Cooler Movie on May 24

[B]

Wait, it's not gonna be the original dub? Lame as hell. I've already accepted it for the cheese that is; you're not gonna clean up the bad script and acting with the original score.

[OmegaRockman]

Judging from that little bit in the promo they just may use the Kikuchi score. They might end up using it simply because they don't wanna have to give fifteen thousand rock bands royalties.

[TheBalishChannel]

Didn't NickToons air this movie with the American soundtrack, though? I mean, they advertised the event with a chopped version of the DVD Singles' cover, so how could it not have the American soundtrack?

[TheGmGoken]

Didn't NickToons air this movie with the American soundtrack, though? I mean, they advertised the event with a chopped version of the DVD Singles' cover, so how could it not have the American soundtrack?

Maybe they felt like people should watch with original soundtrack. Or it's cheaper

[Hellspawn28]

If the movie is using the Japanese music then I will be watching it. If they use the lame early 2000's metal crap then I'm turning it off.

[TheBalishChannel]

Didn't NickToons air this movie with the American soundtrack, though? I mean, they advertised the event with a chopped version of the DVD Singles' cover, so how could it not have the American soundtrack?

Maybe they felt like people should watch with original soundtrack. Or it's cheaper

If NickToons was able to air every movie with the American soundtrack without a problem, I'm sure Cartoon Network would be able to do the same. If they felt as though more should be exposed to the Japanese soundtrack, then they just don't know their audience at all. The reason this broadcast is so special is because it's the first time the franchise has been aired on this network in almost 10 years (not including the April 1st event). My only guess as to why the movie is being broadcast with the Japanese score this time around is because they sold their original Toonami masters to NickToons. I'm really hoping that they just used the Japanese track for the promo because it's mostly silent and therefore can put their classic Toonami promo beat in there without clashing music tracks in the background.

[dbboxkaifan]

So I was watching Attack on Titan and a Promo came up DBZ Coolers Revenge is going to be airing on Adult Swim next Saturday/Sunday night starting at 12am! It brings up a few questions how is this possible if Nicktoons and Toonzai own the Broadcast/Cable rights? Does Anyone think that Adult Swim/Toonami have bought back the rights or is their some complicated loophole that allows them to air Z on Toonami. I am really hoping they bought the rights back Kai Buu Saga on Toonami would be Awesome!!! I will link to youtube video as soon as it gets posted by someone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAU13qmD9VE

Whoa, this is pretty awesome to be hearing the original soundtrack even if it's just for a slight moment (0:19-0:21) and for the US viewers I hope they enjoy it because it's how Dragon Ball was intended to be seen with.

Also considering it's the HD era and that there's the Double Features on Blu-ray they could use those for HD airings, but I dunno how thing work there.

[ChibiGoku]

Didn't NickToons air this movie with the American soundtrack, though? I mean, they advertised the event with a chopped version of the DVD Singles' cover, so how could it not have the American soundtrack?

Maybe they felt like people should watch with original soundtrack. Or it's cheaper

If NickToons was able to air every movie with the American soundtrack without a problem, I'm sure Cartoon Network would be able to do the same. If they felt as though more should be exposed to the Japanese soundtrack, then they just don't know their audience at all. The reason this broadcast is so special is because it's the first time the franchise has been aired on this network in almost 10 years (not including the April 1st event). My only guess as to why the movie is being broadcast with the Japanese score this time around is because they sold their original Toonami masters to NickToons. I'm really hoping that they just used the Japanese track for the promo because it's mostly silent and therefore can put their classic Toonami promo beat in there without clashing music tracks in the background.

Let me explain this a bit more detail: There are legality issues with airing the "Real Band Music", as well as the "Faulconer" score, period. The version, from what I understand, prepared for Nicktoons was what aired on Toonami years ago and had the "band" music replaced with the Faulconer score all the way through, as the rights to the music going from video release to TV is a whole 'nother issue. The Faulconer score, although they were able to clear it for the Nicktoons airing (I'm guessing agreeing to pay royalties for what is collected upon broadcast), FUNimation would have had to gone in and remixed the soundtrack for the uncut version with Faulconer's score, and honestly, it would've costed more money than it would be worth. At this point, it makes more sense to just air with the original music that the Japanese version, as it's cheaper and there are less legality issues behind this.

I also want to point out if FUNimation were to air Dragon Ball Z on Toonami from start to finish, it's also more likely the Kikuchi score would be used from the get go, as FUNimation would have to pay Faulconer Productions (sp?) royalties for every episode that airs with his music, and I would imagine that would get pretty expensive fast. I also have doubts the score for the first 65 or so episodes would be used as well, given it wouldn't make sense to go from that to Kikuchi's score later on.

[Super Sayian Prime]

IIRC, Toonami doesn't control (most of) what gets edited. The shows are edited to comply with the FCC standards before being sent to Toonami for airing.

The FCC does not regulate cable networks. Any edits done for Cartoon Network, Nicktoons, etc. are on the channel's own standards and practices.

[TheBalishChannel]

The version, from what I understand, prepared for Nicktoons was what aired on Toonami years ago and had the "band" music replaced with the Faulconer score all the way through, as the rights to the music going from video release to TV is a whole 'nother issue. The Faulconer score, although they were able to clear it for the Nicktoons airing (I'm guessing agreeing to pay royalties for what is collected upon broadcast), FUNimation would have had to gone in and remixed the soundtrack for the uncut version with Faulconer's score, and honestly, it would've costed more money than it would be worth.

The NickToons airing of "Cooler's Revenge" included the "real band music" in full. Bruce Faulconer's pieces did not replace them, and wouldn't ever. Bruce Faulconer's work only appeared in the specials, not the movies. You can watch an official stream of the NickToons broadcast on their website to confirm this: http://nicktoons.nick.com/videos/clip/d ... -full.html

I appreciate your enthusiasm but it actually makes less sense that they would air it with the Japanese soundtrack in particular, as it's pretty much a slap in the face to the fans who watched it on Toonami originally. The official announcement by FUNimation themselves used a chopped version of the 2002 DVD Cover render for it's heading.

[ChibiGoku]

The version, from what I understand, prepared for Nicktoons was what aired on Toonami years ago and had the "band" music replaced with the Faulconer score all the way through, as the rights to the music going from video release to TV is a whole 'nother issue. The Faulconer score, although they were able to clear it for the Nicktoons airing (I'm guessing agreeing to pay royalties for what is collected upon broadcast), FUNimation would have had to gone in and remixed the soundtrack for the uncut version with Faulconer's score, and honestly, it would've costed more money than it would be worth.

The NickToons airing of "Cooler's Revenge" included the "real band music" in full. Bruce Faulconer's pieces did not replace them, and wouldn't ever. Bruce Faulconer's work only appeared in the specials, not the movies. You can watch an official stream of the NickToons broadcast on their website to confirm this: http://nicktoons.nick.com/videos/clip/d ... -full.html

Odd, I had heard from others, otherwise. But it would appear that is the case, which makes it further more curious. I hadn't personally seen the Nicktoons airing, so I had to rely on information supplied by others, so I apologize for that. That does change the possibility of a couple things...

I appreciate your enthusiasm but it actually makes less sense that they would air it with the Japanese soundtrack in particular, as it's pretty much a slap in the face to the fans who watched it on Toonami originally. The official announcement by FUNimation themselves used a chopped version of the 2002 DVD Cover render for it's heading.

I still believe the royalties still has to come into play whenever they air it with the music, so that should still be a thing. But given they were able to clear it with the real band music on Nicktoons, is curious. The only other thing I could think of is maybe FUNimation wants to move away from the "Altered" music track and use the original music, as they have for all Dragon Ball related material in recent years. Which if that's the case, the edited version probably still continued to use the dub music, because that's how they were produced...

Either way, I don't see why you're getting so bent out of shape of the original soundtrack being used. The movie was originally produced with the Japanese score in mind and we're actually getting an airing with the original music intact. If anything, that should be exciting in itself.

To me, I feel the "real band music" is horribly out of place with the age of the footage and feels too "overpowering" to the point that it seems to drown out everything, based off what I skimmed through of the movie. I feel it's a good thing we're moving away from replacement score, especially on television.

[Kaboom]

I appreciate your enthusiasm but it actually makes less sense that they would air it with the Japanese soundtrack in particular, as it's pretty much a slap in the face to the fans who watched it on Toonami originally.

GOOD. Sometimes nothing short of a slap in the face is enough to wake someone up, and that needs to happen when it comes to the music of DBZ. Replacement music is a bad and archaic dubbing practice, and the sooner Dragon Ball in the West leaves that type of thing behind for good, the better. If playing one of the movies with its original intended score is one of the first small steps towards getting rid of the alternate scores entirely, then any and every fan with even an ounce of appreciation for the source material should welcome it. Fans of the old Levy/Faulconer/Menza/Whoever scores need to be weened off of them ASAP so Dragon Ball can move on from its misguided past over here.

*dramatically drops mic, walks off stage*

[Hellspawn28]

I hope for the Japanese soundtrack. I don't think people will care that much since it's DBZ and a casual DBZ fan will watch it just because it's DBZ. Kai does well because you have older casual DBZ fans that tune in and watch it because it's DBZ. I think Coola Returns does well on Toonami next week, I think it could help Kai come on Toonami. DBZ has not been on Toonami since Movie 12 and 13 aired. That was seven or eight years ago, so it been a while.

[TheBalishChannel]

I don't see why you're getting so bent out of shape of the original soundtrack being used. The movie was originally produced with the Japanese score in mind and we're actually getting an airing with the original music intact. If anything, that should be exciting in itself.

I'm not getting "bent out of shape" over the whole thing but I do find it extremely disappointing regardless considering I just signed a two-year contract with my cable provider in anticipation for this one event alone, believe it or not. Well, in truth, my other incentives were to record the edited versions of Dragon Ball GT on NickToons and Vortexx's version of Dragon Ball Z Kai, but the Toonami event is what pushed me over the edge. It's a combination of, "I can't wait to watch the show/movie as I did nearly 10 years ago" and "there's bound to be some cool bumpers and advertisements I can record before or during the airing." I feel as though Movie 5, more than any of the other movies, definitely benefits with the American soundtrack intact. One instance I specifically recall being superior is when Gohan is climbing Korin's tower while the song, "Stay and Drown" by Finger Eleven kicks in; it really enhances the panning shot and scope of the scene itself. The soundtrack keeps you pumped which is, in my opinion, how Dragon Ball Z is supposed to make you feel while watching it. It's an action-packed show with lots of fighting and blasts/explosions.

I'm not disrespecting the Kikuchi score by any means; I prefer his work on some of the movies (mainly Bojack Unbound). In general though, I prefer the way the show was handled by FUNimation when I was younger. FUNimation has turned into a completely different company in the past decade and it's almost depressing going back and putting in an old Dragon Ball Z VHS tape and seeing their old advertisements for their other shows they had the license to like Cyboars, Chuck E. Cheese, and The Morris Brothers. It's like they are going out of their way to try to pretend like most of that never even happened, which includes all of their creative decisions with the Dragon Ball franchise. Hell, if you read through their "20th Anniversary Timeline" on their website which was just launched two days ago, you'll see that they consider "Shinobi: Heart Under Blade" as their first ever live action production, when it was actually "Chuck E. Cheese in the Galaxy 5000," which was released 8 years before.

[jjgp1112]

If they were supposedly trying to move away from the dub soundtrack then it wouldn't even be on the Blu-Rays. This is probably just a royalty thing, as mentioned before. Plus, the audio mix on the Cooler's Revenge soundtrack is fucked up on the double feature release, as pretty much every song sans Change and Stay & Down is placed a few seconds off, and some of the effects like the cool underwater filter for The Game by Disturbed are gone.

[GarrettCRW]

I don't see why missing the "old" Funimation would be viewed as a positive-they started out as sloppy and barely professional, and kind of lucked into the massive success of DBZ on Cartoon Network. It's a miracle, frankly, that Funimation behaves with a modicum of professionalism, even if they frankly abuse the fanbase for their "one that started it all".

[TheBalishChannel]

I don't see why missing the "old" Funimation would be viewed as a positive-they started out as sloppy and barely professional, and kind of lucked into the massive success of DBZ on Cartoon Network. It's a miracle, frankly, that Funimation behaves with a modicum of professionalism, even if they frankly abuse the fanbase for their "one that started it all".

The only thing I could absolutely despise FUNimation for back in the day was how they pretty much killed the quality of Dragon Ball Z once they started dubbing it in-house. Today though, they just seem to be cranking out dub after dub simply because they are now well respected among many for retaining the authenticity of the original Japanese versions per respective dub. I can't stand how they actually listen to the demands of those who want such vulgar and offensive shows like, "High School DxD" and "Senran Kagura Burst" to be "localized." I'm fine with staying close to the source material, but if Dragon Ball Z Kai showed me anything it's that you need at least some westernization in order to make it appeal to the audience you're trying to capture. I don't want to shit up this thread or open a new can of worms but I'm just explaining why I'm so frustrated at the fact that they are refusing to air the movie as it was initially broadcast on Toonami 12 years ago.

[Gaffer Tape]

I can't say I'm sure about these accusations of royalties in this context. I'm not saying I'm an expert, but it just doesn't make sense to me based on evidence I've seen in throughout my life. To take an example, there's a show I loved called The Wonder Years. I grew up watching it. To anyone who doesn't know it's a show that takes place in the late '60s-early '70s and uses A LOT of music from the time period. I mean, there are so many famous songs in every single episode. Its soundtrack really helped capture the feel of the time period, but, at the same time, it's caused a major problem. The show has never been released to DVD because of the royalties involved in doing so, and they refuse to release the show without the music. You may think that's proving the point, but the fact of the matter is, the show has been almost continuously rerun on a multitude of networks for over twenty years now. And the music is always intact. Do you honestly think if they had to pay to use the music every single time it aired that this show would ever see the light of day again? Would any media project EVER use licensed music?

From what I understand, once it's paid for a certain use, it's done. Hell, even actors in television shows usually only receive residuals for the first two times their show is rerun from what I've read. The problem with especially older shows being released to DVD is that the original contract only stipulated use for television broadcast, not for any home video releases. So in order to use it for that new purpose, they have to renegotiate, which is often complicated and costly. As a result, there are a lot of shows (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show, Happy Days, and That '70s Show immediately come to mind) that ultimately replace music when they are put on home video.

But while every contract is different, and I'm certainly not privy to what FUNimation did, it seems to me that if it's aired with that music before, it certainly could be again, and if it's not, it's because they're choosing not to.

[bleed0range]

I don't really see what the big deal is whether they air it with the original Japanese or not. Most DBZ fans likely have this already on DVD or Blu-ray or have seen it a thousand times before. Just the fact that it's airing on Toonami is cool because it means Toonami/CN is willing to reacquire rights to air DBZ. Airing a different version, if anything, might be interesting to those who watched it like what 12 years ago? If they haven't seen the movie in that long by buying it themselves then how upset will they really be about it? I could really care less for myself if Toonami re-airs all of DBZ. I own it all anyway. I care more for the fact that it's cool they are doing it and it may grab the attention of those who are not already hardcore fans. And I think the original Japanese is a cool way to introduce people to it. It's my preferred version anyway.

For me to get truly excited, they'd have to be airing BOG on Toonami in Japanese with subtitles or something (or finally dubbed). But that ain't happening. Not for a long time.

[Mewzard]

For me to get truly excited, they'd have to be airing BOG on Toonami in Japanese with subtitles or something (or finally dubbed). But that ain't happening. Not for a long time.

Subbed will never happened. The Toonami guys straight up said ratings drop when the subs appear (which might explain why they stopped showing even OP subs on Adult Swim's anime block years ago).

Dubbed? That's another issue. Toonami would probably kill to be the first TV airing of a new DBZ movie. But first, it needs to be dubbed (which given Fox, has some issues), and they would probably want a theatrical release and later DVD/Blu Ray release before the TV release.

It could very well happen, but it's a wait on the dub (any English release is stuck on the issue of Fox).