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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Fionordequester » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:08 pm

Possible theory...someone wishes for the universe to be destroyed? Or perhaps they wish they could live forever...and do...but everyone else dies around them...so we end up with an immortal being who becomes twisted into a villain by his own rage and despair?
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Chuquita » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:41 pm

Gonstead wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Re: that other franchise
I would watch Puella Magi Gokû Magica in a heartbeat. X3


OT:
What if it isn't a wish for power, but a wish to seal or remove the power of those who could be stronger than the villain? Or would that be too much like the destron gas in the Playdia OVA?
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As people said, I don't think that would be possible. It would be counted in the same vain as trying to make Android 18 completely human, at least to me.
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The dragon balls limits make it difficult to think up what they could possibly be used for to create a situation as awful as Future Trunks' world. Plus there's already so many things that've already been done, but if whatever it is really impressed Torishima, it must be something unique; I just have no idea what it could be. T_T

I hope some hints appear soon.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:45 am

"The worst wish in history"? Hmmmm...

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Gonstead » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:39 am

Chuquita wrote:
Gonstead wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Re: that other franchise
I would watch Puella Magi Gokû Magica in a heartbeat. X3


OT:
What if it isn't a wish for power, but a wish to seal or remove the power of those who could be stronger than the villain? Or would that be too much like the destron gas in the Playdia OVA?
Vegeta pulls a Sayaka.
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OT:
As people said, I don't think that would be possible. It would be counted in the same vain as trying to make Android 18 completely human, at least to me.
Re: Vegeta pulling a Sayaka
Yes. X3

*Is so imagination-casting Lunch as Mami and Chi-Chi as Homura.*

Also


The dragon balls limits make it difficult to think up what they could possibly be used for to create a situation as awful as Future Trunks' world. Plus there's already so many things that've already been done, but if whatever it is really impressed Torishima, it must be something unique; I just have no idea what it could be. T_T

I hope some hints appear soon.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Daimakku » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:41 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Oolong wishes for two pairs of panties this time.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Blade » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:05 am

I wonder if this will turn out to be another Pilaf wish gone wrong, or a Toriyama take on the Shadow Dragon idea...
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:31 am

Goku may wish to have his SSJG power removed from him, if that possible that is. The Dragonballs have been shown to be able to restore energy, but how that translated to godly Ki remains unknown. So he may have it wished away only for the villain to arrive shortly after.
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Post by Low Tone G » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:58 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Goku may wish to have his SSJG power removed from him, if that possible that is. The Dragonballs have been shown to be able to restore energy, but how that translated to godly Ki remains unknown. So he may have it wished away only for the villain to arrive shortly after.
Why would he wish for such a thing? It's true that he was disappointed because he couldn't reach the form on his own, but it turned out that he is enough good warrior to keep the Godly state, I think that fact really made him enthusiastic, not to mention that he wants Beerus to fight him once again, and without SSJ God power he doesn't stand a chance, not even a fusion with Vegeta wouldn't be enough, and also, Goku is against the fusion, just like Vegeta.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:04 pm

What if they pull off a Star Trek '09 and restart the timeline. They can fix up the screw ups that happen in the series.
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Post by UpFromTheSkies » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:26 pm

I think the wish, whatever it is, is going to force Goku to make a self sacrificing teleport like he did with Cell. That would give Vegeta room to stand in the spotlight, just as Toriyama said he wanted to happen in the next movie.

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Zidiane » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:49 pm

Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.

The Goku on the poster doesn't look quite right to me. He looks, I don't know, just different. What if there's an alternate universe where there's an Alternate Goku, and he wishes with his Dragonballs to visit another universe? Could even see alternate versions of all the characters with such a wish.

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Post by Luke Groundwalker » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:07 am

It's hard to say, it could be anything. Here's one people haven't proposed:

What if the wish is to wish Goku out of existence? Basically, the whole universe changes into a universe where Goku was never born, leading to a very large alternate path. However this doesn't take place in the main universe, but rather in one of the other universes. Someone from that universe, perhaps a descendant of Vegeta, goes to the original universe to ask for help as the God of their universe reigns in dominion with his evil malice.

Either that or perhaps the wish would be that Goku never got bumped on the head, leading to a universe where Goku is not only evil but Freeza has full control over Earth as his own colonized kingdom alongside many other planets he's conquered. But of course the god of destruction will bump his head in and take care of things. This could lead to interesting fights like Goku vs. Evil Goku for example and Beers vs. Freeza (in this universe, Freeza is basically god-like in power after getting dominion over the entire galaxy).

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by budokaifanatic007 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:37 am

Luke Groundwalker wrote:It's hard to say, it could be anything. Here's one people haven't proposed:

What if the wish is to wish Goku out of existence? Basically, the whole universe changes into a universe where Goku was never born, leading to a very large alternate path. However this doesn't take place in the main universe, but rather in one of the other universes. Someone from that universe, perhaps a descendant of Vegeta, goes to the original universe to ask for help as the God of their universe reigns in dominion with his evil malice.

Either that or perhaps the wish would be that Goku never got bumped on the head, leading to a universe where Goku is not only evil but Freeza has full control over Earth as his own colonized kingdom alongside many other planets he's conquered. But of course the god of destruction will bump his head in and take care of things. This could lead to interesting fights like Goku vs. Evil Goku for example and Beers vs. Freeza (in this universe, Freeza is basically god-like in power after getting dominion over the entire galaxy).
That would be very cool .Good goku vs Evil goku sounds awesome but how would frieza keep up with beers?
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Zidiane » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:06 am

Luke Groundwalker wrote:Here's one people haven't proposed:

What if the wish is to wish Goku out of existence?
Both "Goku never being born" and "Goku disappearing" have been suggested in this thread already, actually.
Fizzer wrote:The "most evil" wish sounds like it's [...] up in the region of Goku never being born.
UpFromTheSkies wrote:Pilaf finds the Dragon Balls again and when Goku arrives to stop him he wishes for Goku to disappear.

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Luke Groundwalker » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:55 am

budokaifanatic007 wrote:That would be very cool .Good goku vs Evil goku sounds awesome but how would Freeza keep up with beers?
Well he probably wouldn't, but I would imagine a setting where Freeza rules the galaxy would be a setting where Freeza is more powerful than normal by some means. Afterall him conquering Earth could lead to him having guys like Dr. Gero and Babidi working for him for example. There's just so many possibilities that it could lead to. The reason why I suggested the Beers vs. Freeza fight is because Beers said in Battle of Gods he was going to probably kill Freeza if someone else didn't already, so in an alternate setting he'd probably go after Freeza for being a dangerous personality.

Post BoG Goku vs. Evil Goku wouldn't be much of a match either. But then again, shonen anime throws stuff like that out of the way most of the time.

Anyway, enough of my fanfiction idea. Would be interesting but might be too complicated for AT to handle, or to be specific, he probably doesn't want to put much effort into building a continuity like that and wants to focus more on comedy.

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:51 am

Worst wish in history hmmmmmmmmm
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Blade » Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:50 am

I hope it's something sort of comedic, that ends up having somehow dire consequences.

Like they have an extra wish to use up, and Goku, feeling peckish and wishes for a huge plate of Nachos - but unfortunately a cataclysmic event occurs or some big bad arrives shortly afterwards, and the Dragonballs are needed to put things right - only Goku squandered the last wish.

I don't mean anything as specific as the silly example I gave, but you get the idea - it would just be cool for the 'worst wish' to lead to a bad situation in a non-causal sort of way if you know what I mean. I just think maybe it would be a bit ham fisted for someone to make a stupid wish like "I want the world to explode" or "I want a bad guy to appear".

An interesting theory someone had the other day in a conversation with me was the idea of an accidental wish like Pilaf's in GT, along the lines of "I wish you weren't always around" or something in relation to Goku, causing a 'what-if' timeline being created of how the world would have turned out without his past interventions.
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Post by TrunksTrevelyan0064 » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:05 pm

Mr Satan wishes to actually be the strongest person around. That could be good or bad.
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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by Retan » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:30 pm

Puar wishes to fight Goku one more time and finally loses in a fight, so he turns into a bomb in pure rage, and blows up the earth. ....THE END

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Re: Worst Wish In History - Theories

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:35 pm

Cetra wrote:Access to all universes, cutting rifts through the verses and so messing with the natural harmony.
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