Gohan's Intelligence

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:31 am

When Gohan fought Cell, he was consumed by power, and turned into a little version of Vegeta; he was reveling in it. It wasn't about stupidity, it was that he became somewhat morally corrupt for that small period of time, with all that power he wasn't prepared to have.

Against Buu, he didn't kill him right away because, if you recall, he sensed Dende was still alive, and like Vegito had hope that the others were still alive, somewhere down there.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:45 am

Not killing Buu, didn't have anything to with whether or not Dende needed to stay alive. He was actually being cocky and making him pay for the things he did. Although, even if not the smartest thing to do, I quite enjoyed.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:01 am

mAcChaos wrote:Against Buu, he didn't kill him right away because, if you recall, he sensed Dende was still alive, and like Vegito had hope that the others were still alive, somewhere down there.

That is stupid. If Dende was still alive, everyone could easily be revived. Every second that he didn't kill Buu increased the chances that the planet would be destroyed and Dende would be killed.

Gohan-kun · Post by **Gohan-kun** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:45 am

He's nine.

4 with Raditz.
Year for the Saiyans. 5.
Its never stated how long they were at namek. A year goes by since Namek blew up: 6.
3 years for the Artificial humans: 9.

Sorry to get off topic

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:53 am

I have to agree with 11 for this reason

4 with raditz

5 with Vegeta/Nappa/Freeza

6 when the last few are revived and Namekians are taken to New Namek

1 year after THAT Trunks shows up - he's 7 then

3 years later Androids show up, he's 10

1 year of training later, Cell Games.

Post by **TripleRach** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:24 am

I say he was 9 or 10. The numbers add up to 10 (or possibly a little under 10, since it was only eight months between Nameck's explosion and Nameckians leaving Earth). But he is referred to as being 16 when he starts high school in the manga, and the battle with Cell was seven years ago. The only way that works is if he's very close to 17 at that point, and ROSAT doesn't count.

Professor Daravon · Post by **Professor Daravon** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:47 am

Zackarotto wrote:
Professor Daravon wrote:Born 11 May 767.
Do you mean 757? Just using logic, here. It doesn't work right with your other numbers.

Yeah, 757. Typo.

Professor Daravon · Post by **Professor Daravon** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:56 am

TripleRach wrote:I say he was 9 or 10. The numbers add up to 10 (or possibly a little under 10, since it was only eight months between Nameck's explosion and Nameckians leaving Earth). But he is referred to as being 16 when he starts high school in the manga, and the battle with Cell was seven years ago. The only way that works is if he's very close to 17 at that point, and ROSAT doesn't count.

The Buu saga starts 7 April 774. Thus, it's roughly seven years since Cell, but actually not quite. Also, Gohan's birthday hasn't yet come up this year. If we don't consider the Room of Spirit and Time, he's 16, a month away from turning 17 (or 17, a month away from 18 if you do count the room). So that still meshes with my numbers, provided Toriyama wasn't considering the room (and with his forgetfulness, he probably wasn't).

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 2:11 pm

Doesn't the Daizenshuu get specific dates wrong on several occasions? Not that I don't find them interesting, but I wouldn't hold them up as an example of exact time.

Mochi · Post by **Mochi** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:28 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:
Mochi wrote:
Jerseymilk wrote:Well, even if you include the "year" that Gohan spent in the Room of Spirit and Time, that would only make him ten in my opinion, since his birthday coming around a few days later, was just coincidental timing. It had hardly been an "additional year". And if you then take it from just the manga and not the anime, it would still be ten since, the birthday celebration is just filler for the anime.
I didn't know he was that young. I can't like him the same way anymore, or my friends are gonna call me a pedophile.
They wouldn't call you a pedophile for liking him when he's around 16 or 17 in the Buu saga, which is the point where I assume you like him from.

I meant when he fought Cell... I told myself, "I'll switch to teen Gohan when I turn 16". O_o But I'm just gonna switch now.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:10 pm

TripleRach wrote:I say he was 9 or 10. The numbers add up to 10 (or possibly a little under 10, since it was only eight months between Nameck's explosion and Nameckians leaving Earth). But he is referred to as being 16 when he starts high school in the manga, and the battle with Cell was seven years ago. The only way that works is if he's very close to 17 at that point, and ROSAT doesn't count.

I agree with Rach. I've personally never paid that much attention to thr ROSAT.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:15 pm

Mochi wrote:I meant when he fought Cell... I told myself, "I'll switch to teen Gohan when I turn 16". O_o But I'm just gonna switch now.

Uhm... yeah. You can also feel free to imagine your own state in between.

You know what? Get a picture of him, stick it to a tree, and throw knives at it. You need to be able to defeat any opponent, emotionwise.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:33 pm

Oooh you're a good trainer Zacko!

Gohan-kun · Post by **Gohan-kun** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:06 pm

Look, he's 9 during the Cell saga. Toriyama states he is 16 at the beginning of the Saiyaman arc. 7 years between Cell and Boo. 16-7=9

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:15 pm

I'm not trying to argue against the evidence. I'm just saying that I don't think you necessarily have to pay attention to the years tacked on from the ROSAT. I just don't think they're that big of a deal, since it's in it's own separate dimension anyway.

Professor Daravon · Post by **Professor Daravon** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:29 pm

Gohan-kun wrote:Look, he's 9 during the Cell saga. Toriyama states he is 16 at the beginning of the Saiyaman arc. 7 years between Cell and Boo. 16-7=9

But Toriyama _doesn't_ state how old he is during the Cell Game, as far as I know. However, dates are given for a number of different things in the Daizenshuu, and these dates indicate that Gohan would be 10 or 11 (depending on whether you count the Room of Spirit and Time) during the Cell Game; and, as I already explained, these dates can also work with Toriyama's statement that Gohan is 16 at the beginning of the Buu saga, as long as the seven years between Cell and Buu were, in actuality, six years and eleven months. Since most people probably wouldn't bother to make the distinction between seven years or six years and eleven months, it doesn't seem like too great a leap.

PsyLiam wrote:Doesn't the Daizenshuu get specific dates wrong on several occasions? Not that I don't find them interesting, but I wouldn't hold them up as an example of exact time.

Maybe, although I'm not aware of any specific examples right off hand (except that thirteen months pass between Goku's death and his resurrection, but that might be a plothole, not a Daizenshuu mistake). If there's nothing in the manga that contradicts these specific dates -- and as far as I'm aware, there's not, since these dates can still mesh with Gohan's being 16 at the start of the Buu saga -- then I don't think there's any particularly compelling reason to disregard them.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:32 pm

Doesn't Dayspring's Daizenshuu have this information? Where is that lad? Humpf! He's never around when you need him!

Well nevertheless, Daravon's answer still makes sense anyway.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:36 pm

He's been gone so long that I've almost caught up to him in posts. But yes, thank you Final Fantasy Tactics guru for that explanation.

Gohan-kun · Post by **Gohan-kun** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:24 pm

But Toriyama _doesn't_ state how old he is during the Cell Game, as far as I know.

He doesn't have to. Its stated 7 years happened in between the Boo and Cell sagas. Its stated Gohan is 16 during the beginning of the Boo saga. That means he's 9 (physically 10).

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:57 pm

I think what we have hear is a case of Toriyama-itus. Where he wasnt keeping up with ages he himself gave, and time between stuff, and he said 7 years later and gave an age without actually paying exact attention.

But if we MUST have a nitpicking what if it HAS been seven years and he was 10/11

Its possible that Gohan hasn't had his birthday yet. Want an example? Its been 23 years since I was born. But I'm 22 years old, not 23. Because my birthday is in June.

Its been 7 years since the Cellk games, yes, but thats not to the exact day its to the year, so Gohans birthday hasnt come yet is all.