Question about Toei's marketing motives

[Freeza Soldier #156]

It's funny. Growing up didn't make me feel like I should be ashamed of liking things like Dragon Ball, it taught me that I shouldn't be worried about childish things like being ashamed of those things.

[Hellspawn28]

In High School, I try not to talk about DBZ because most people I knew view DBZ as a fade and was surprise that it still had a fan base. I seen people on the Internet that view the same.

[Chuquita]

As you get older, you really just stop worrying about things you used to worry about when you were younger. It just doesn't matter like that anymore; other stuff takes priority and the scope of what's important changes as you have more experience.

Dragon Ball Z did air on Toonami back in the day. So did Hamtaro, but so did Gundam, Powerpuff Girls, Tenchi Muyo, Yu Yu Hakusho, Samurai Jack, SuperFriends, etc. The age range in the block aimed at was kids. Arguably a wide age group of kids, but still kids and teens.

[EXBadguy]

So it's either....

The one who dresses up in a Superman or Batman costume needs to grow up and do grown man shit

or...

The one who is ashamed for liking something aimed for kids need to "grow up" and go on about their business.

Damn, yall are the opposite, but it's okay, opinions differ. I for one choose option 1. Though I'll never be ashamed of liking DB.

[MarcFBR]

The one who is ashamed for liking something aimed for kids need to "grow up" and be proud.

I don't think I ever said be proud.

Why would you be proud because you like a TV show?

Though I'll never be ashamed of liking DB.

And just come on and be honest, this entire thread is basically you being ashamed about it.

[EXBadguy]

I don't think I ever said be proud.

Why would you be proud because you like a TV show?.

Perhaps I'll rephrase it. I question that myself.

And just come on and be honest, this entire thread is basically you being ashamed about it.

I was talking about BoG, not DB in general. The reason why sometimes I feel ashamed of liking BoG cuz of the amount of dislike it received outside this community and constantly comparing it to other anime movies, saying "this one's better", pretending it was the worst anime movie yet.

[MarcFBR]

I was talking about BoG, not DB in general. The reason why sometimes I feel ashamed of liking BoG cuz of the amount of dislike it received outside this community and constantly comparing it to other anime movies, saying "this one's better", pretending it was the worst anime movie yet.

You realize outside of 'this community' most anime fans see DBZ as a whole as childish and not worth their time right?

[EXBadguy]

I was talking about BoG, not DB in general. The reason why sometimes I feel ashamed of liking BoG cuz of the amount of dislike it received outside this community and constantly comparing it to other anime movies, saying "this one's better", pretending it was the worst anime movie yet.

You realize outside of 'this community' most anime fans see DBZ as a whole as childish and not worth their time right?

I know that, but even some of the DBZ fans outside this community didn't like BoG at all. Heck, I bet you know that too, don't you?

[MarcFBR]

I know that, but even some of the DBZ fans outside this community didn't like BoG at all. Heck, I bet you know that too, don't you?

Then why are you so concerned that people outside 'this community' see BoG as immature and don't like it when they don't like DBZ in the first place?

[EXBadguy]

I know that, but even some of the DBZ fans outside this community didn't like BoG at all. Heck, I bet you know that too, don't you?

Then why are you so concerned that people outside 'this community' see BoG as immature and don't like it when they don't like DBZ in the first place?

BTW, what I mean by "this community" is Kanzenshuu. I'm talking about some DBZ fans outside Kanzenshuu talking crap about it. It didn't even get critically acclaimed like the other anime movies did.

But you're right, maybe I should stop worrying about those people. I'll admit, half of me was pissed off about those angels in FnF cuz I wanted this franchise to be more respected by the anime community like other shounen anime like One Piece and HxH.

[Theophrastus]

And just come on and be honest, this entire thread is basically you being ashamed about it.

I was talking about BoG, not DB in general. The reason why sometimes I feel ashamed of liking BoG cuz of the amount of dislike it received outside this community and constantly comparing it to other anime movies, saying "this one's better", pretending it was the worst anime movie yet.

As long as you aren't harming anyone else, there's no reason to be ashamed of liking something just because a group of people happen to vocally dislike that thing.

As an example, One Piece is my favorite currently running series and probably in my top 5 favorite series ever. There's a not-insignificant amount of people online who very plainly say that they think the series is awful for reasons x, y, and z. Their comments might make me view the series with a slightly more critical eye than I otherwise would, acknowledging the parts of it that others don't like, but those people's dislike of it isn't going to stop me from reading/watching the series myself and enjoying it for my own reasons.

[MarcFBR]

BTW, what I mean by "this community" is Kanzenshuu. I'm talking about some DBZ fans outside Kanzenshuu talking crap about it. It didn't even get critically acclaimed like the other anime movies did.

...critically acclaimed?

Most of the movies are not what I would call great (I haven't rewatched them in awhile, but my recollection suggests that 'not great' is in fact a compliment to the films as a whole.)

All of the movies that existed from the shows run aired during short multi-feature festivals where you paid a cheap price to see a few things for kids.

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[Kid Buu]

I was talking about BoG, not DB in general. The reason why sometimes I feel ashamed of liking BoG cuz of the amount of dislike it received outside this community and constantly comparing it to other anime movies, saying "this one's better", pretending it was the worst anime movie yet.

You realize outside of 'this community' most anime fans see DBZ as a whole as childish and not worth their time right?

And to add this, anime is niche in general. Whole lot of cinema buffs probably won't show anime if they wanted to show a historic Japanese film.

[Rocketman]

Dragon Ball's always been an action/comedy/adventure show targeted towards kids. Even though the FUNimation "reversioning" tried to make the tone "darker" in places, even their dub was still aimed at the kids' TV market, and was a big success there too.

Except there's basically nothing lighthearted about the Saiyan/Namek/Android/Cell arcs, sure.

I don't get why people wanna pretend like Dragonball is a big ol' hugbox.

[EXBadguy]

Except there's basically nothing lighthearted about the Saiyan/Namek/Android/Cell arcs, sure.

I don't get why people wanna pretend like Dragonball is a big ol' hugbox.

Right?

[Akumaito Beam]

Except there's basically nothing lighthearted about the Saiyan/Namek/Android/Cell arcs, sure.

The entire series is lighthearted. It's about giant muscle men fighting aliens and robots until they stop moving sometimes doing so by firing laser beams that they shoot out of their hands. I don't even really think that's an oversimplification. It's a child's ultimate power fantasy. That's what I like about the series. I don't want to watch characters who are as deep as puddles whine and bitch about their sob story for episodes. A 4 year old witnesses everyone he knows and loves be repeatedly murdered and he comes out of it psychologically smelling like roses. The moon has been blown up on multiple occasions and the only person it inconveniences is the angry midget who can't transform into a giant ape anymore (also a man-wolf I suppose). Death means literally nothing. For every Dodoria killing a kid there's a Ginyu Force. For every Spopovitch kicking the shit out of a girl there's a Majin Boo. For every crushed robot head there's an Android 19 and an "Ultimate Super Saiyan". Dragon Ball is undoubtedly goofy as shit.

[Rocketman]

The Ginyu Force, Majin Buu and #19 aren't lighthearted, though?



LOL LOL LOL

[Akumaito Beam]

*Snip*

Yes, the giant foppish dude with busted up teeth and his ass crack out in the open dancing around is super serious. You're right. I forgot.

[Super SaiyaJon]

I feel like a lot of people miss the part where the Ginyu force is trying to brutally murder the main characters.

Do people just forget the part where Guldo is preparing to impale Krillin and Gohan with a tree? Or the part where Ginyu punches a hole in his own chest? So funny, right?

In my opinion, Dragonball isn't mostly gag humor (sans the first couple arcs). It's not a lighthearted story.

Quick side-note: I'm tired of the "death is an inconvenience" nonsense. For most of the story, death was still incredibly permanent after being wished back once.

[Akumaito Beam]

I feel like a lot of people miss the part where the Ginyu force is trying to brutally murder the main characters.

Do people just forget the part where Guldo is preparing to impale Krillin and Gohan with a tree? Or the part where Ginyu punches a hole in his own chest? So funny, right?

Are you really trying to argue that the Ginyu Force wasn't at least partially humorous? The bad guys have been trying to murder the good guys in this series since day 1. I don't understand how that makes the show "dark". Most every children's action cartoon runs on that premise.