"Revival of F" Powere differences Theory?

[Dayspring]

Has no one considered that maybe he couldn't really train himself in his mecha state? What with him being 70% machine and all?

If that's the case, it should be stated in the new movie.

Why? He's no longer a cyborg so it's no longer relevant.

[singsing]

so everybody here believes that piccolo went from 1 million to over 150 million in 3 years but they cant believe that freeza could get stronger by training?

Well, it took Piccolo 3 years instead of 4 months, he has a good training partner, and has been established to make huge growths by training. And no one knows how much stronger Piccolo got. Even if it was 150 times in 3 years, that's still not enough for Freeza to even dent Beerus.

Freeza's not training so as to be able to fight Beerus, but rather to be stronger than Boo so he can kill Goku and Trunks. The manga explains he's a prodigy who never trained once in his life, so he intends to go all out during those four months. If a Namekkian can increase his Battle Power by 150,000,000 in 3 years, then Freeza exceeding that amount in 4 months becomes very plausible (it's only 9x bigger gain/month). Now remember that his final form is roughly 240x stronger than his first form. That puts him well above SSJ3 Goku. Now add the strength of his new transformation that will be introduced in the new film.

Except the manga doesn't explain that he's a prodigy who never trained once in his life. Quite the contrary. He says he's tussled with his dad before and the mere fact that he could go hand to hand with Goku, who's a martial arts master, means he knows more than just being stronger than his opponents. Now remember that his First Form isn't actually his First Form, but a form he created to control his power, and his natural power level is hi Final Form.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

He was talking about Toyotaro's Revival of F manga, not the original by Toriyama.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If a Namekkian can increase his Battle Power by 150,000,000 in 3 years

I don't think Piccolo became that strong after his training. He is much stronger than the Earthlings, base Saiyans, and Artificial Humans #19 & #20, but also much weaker than the Super Saiyans as well IMO.

[Hitiro]

I don't think Piccolo became that strong after his training. He is much stronger than the Earthlings, base Saiyans, and Artificial Humans #19 & #20, but also much weaker than the Super Saiyans as well IMO.

Yeah. If the androids were only 2x stronger than the base Saiyan's and Piccolo was 2x stronger than them, then the SSJ's are still 12.5x stronger than Piccolo.

[Darkprince410]

Except the manga doesn't explain that he's a prodigy who never trained once in his life. Quite the contrary. He says he's tussled with his dad before and the mere fact that he could go hand to hand with Goku, who's a martial arts master, means he knows more than just being stronger than his opponents. Now remember that his First Form isn't actually his First Form, but a form he created to control his power, and his natural power level is hi Final Form.

The context of him and his father is never established though. All that's said in the original manga is:

“I didn’t think you’d be this good…You’re the first person besides my parent who’s got dust on me…This might be the first time in my life I’ve been so excited…”

Which leaves it open to interpretation as to what exactly transpired. For all we know, Freeza might have lashed out at his father at some point and Cold just put him in his place, or Cold may have had Freeza just attack him to see where his son was in terms of strength (since they can't gauge such high battle powers with devices) and then struck him down, like what Vegeta and Trunks did at the beginning of the Buu Saga. Just because some sort of confrontation is implied doesn't mean that it was training related in the slightest.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Except the manga doesn't explain that he's a prodigy who never trained once in his life. Quite the contrary. He says he's tussled with his dad before and the mere fact that he could go hand to hand with Goku, who's a martial arts master, means he knows more than just being stronger than his opponents. Now remember that his First Form isn't actually his First Form, but a form he created to control his power, and his natural power level is hi Final Form.

The context of him and his father is never established though. All that's said in the original manga is:

“I didn’t think you’d be this good…You’re the first person besides my parent who’s got dust on me…This might be the first time in my life I’ve been so excited…”

Which leaves it open to interpretation as to what exactly transpired. For all we know, Freeza might have lashed out at his father at some point and Cold just put him in his place, or Cold may have had Freeza just attack him to see where his son was in terms of strength (since they can't gauge such high battle powers with devices) and then struck him down, like what Vegeta and Trunks did at the beginning of the Buu Saga. Just because some sort of confrontation is implied doesn't mean that it was training related in the slightest.

Also, Cold getting dust on Freeza in the past doesn't mean that Freeza was weaker than him in his full power. Goku got dust on Freeza while Freeza was using around 2.5% of his power.

[rereboy]

Why? He's no longer a cyborg so it's no longer relevant.

Because it would take 3 or 4 seconds and it would explain a continuity issue introduced by the plot of the movie.

Its the same thing for Gohan's Ultimate form, for example... The writers should bother to waste one or two lines that would take 5 seconds to give an explanation for it, like "the ritual wears off with time". And yet they fail to do so in the entire run of DBGT and in BOG.