Is Kid Boo stronger than Super Boo?

[The Monkey King]

Super Buu is stronger:

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Goku: 'We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.;

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: 'Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in'

Seems pretty clear for me and I'd rather take this than using stretched logic and guesses in order to say Kid Buu is stronger.

[Confidence Matters]

Everyone in here worships Herms and SaiyaJedi's translations but the fact of the matter is that 1) their translations aren't 100% perfect neither, and 2) they might be more accurate, but they are NOT official and thus invalid.

Herms or SaiyaJedi should go back and verify that ALL lines 100% accurate, and then get their translations published Officially by the heads of dragon ball.

THEN you may cite Herms'/SaiyaJedi's manga translations.

If you were writing a college paper on Dragon Ball, citing Herms would be like citing Wikipedia (even if this wikipedia link/article might be more accurate, despite having its flaws here and there) and citing VizBig would be like citing an official scientific article done by a certified scientist (who has been wrong in the past here and there) from an official university's website.

Herms lines aren't in stores, VizBig edition lines are.

End of.

[Duo]

Everyone in here worships Herms and SaiyaJedi's translations but the fact of the matter is that 1) their translations aren't 100% perfect neither, and 2) they might be more accurate, but they are NOT official and thus invalid.

Herms or SaiyaJedi should go back and verify that ALL lines 100% accurate, and then get their translations published Officially by the heads of dragon ball.

THEN you may cite Herms'/SaiyaJedi's manga translations.

If you were writing a college paper on Dragon Ball, citing Herms would be like citing Wikipedia (even if this wikipedia link/article might be more accurate, despite having its flaws here and there) and citing VizBig would be like citing an official scientific article done by a certified scientist (who has been wrong in the past here and there) from an official university's website.

Herms lines aren't in stores, VizBig edition lines are.

End of.

Good to know that secondary fact-checking is meaningless to you. I think we can all safely disregard your posts from here on out.

Nobody ever claimed Herms or SaiyanJedi are perfect. It's when you have a consensus from several folks fluent in Japanese that you can safely move away from a translation even if it's "official".

The FUNImation dub of DBZ is official too. I guess we have to start calling Bardock a brilliant scientist!

[KentalSSJ6]

Everyone in here worships Herms and SaiyaJedi's translations but the fact of the matter is that 1) their translations aren't 100% perfect neither, and 2) they might be more accurate, but they are NOT official and thus invalid.

Herms or SaiyaJedi should go back and verify that ALL lines 100% accurate, and then get their translations published Officially by the heads of dragon ball.

THEN you may cite Herms'/SaiyaJedi's manga translations.

If you were writing a college paper on Dragon Ball, citing Herms would be like citing Wikipedia (even if this wikipedia link/article might be more accurate, despite having its flaws here and there) and citing VizBig would be like citing an official scientific article done by a certified scientist (who has been wrong in the past here and there) from an official university's website.

Herms lines aren't in stores, VizBig edition lines are.

End of.

VIZ also has Goku yelling that Oozaru Vegeta killed his Grandpa. Whats your point?

[Confidence Matters]

"Bruh". Just because an officially licensed adaptation went with one interpretation of "Akira's" vague writing, and "Akira" did not voice any concerns over this, it does not logically follow that said interpretation of "Akira's" vague writing is the one that "Akira" had in mind when drawing the manga roughly 20 years ago.

What is being debated is what "Akira" had in mind when drawing the manga roughly 20 years ago. There's no point in bringing an adaptation of the source material into the discussion, official or otherwise, when it does nothing to help us figure out what "Akira" himself had in mind when drawing the manga roughly 20 years ago.

Am I making any sense here?

No one knows wtf Akira was thinking when he wrote the manga 20 years ago.

Herms lines are also an interpretation of the original source material, so your point about nothing else being relevant is moot.

The best logical, boring conclusion here is that based on the original manga, it is impossible to say which is stronger between Kid Boo and Super Boo. Akira was simply too vague, especially with the line regarding absorption or absorptions taming/restricting/weakening Kid Boo. This is a crucial line that determines if Kid Boo is stronger than Buff Boo or not, which would determine if Kid Boo was stronger than Super Boo or not. With it being that vague, we don't know if Southern Kai changed Boo's power/personality at all. At least, no one rational will argue against this.

As for the lines where Goku thinks he can take on Kid Boo, you don't need to read/understand the dialog to understand that he was extremely cocky/arrogant based on his facial expression when he first assessed Kid Boo, like Vegeta. You don't need to read/understand the dialog to see that Kid Boo was toying around and Goku was going all out and yet Goku was severely outclassed, or to see that when Kid Boo first spawned, he held back a great deal of power when he launched that weak ki blast that Vegeta SSJ1 was able to easily deflect. You don't need to read any dialog to see that IF Goku was indeed superior, Kid Boo would have resorted to ABSORPTION - of either Vegeta or Goku SSJ3 - if he was in ANY real danger, like he has ALWAYS done when up against a more powerful opponent. Thus Goku was not ever going to do anything to Kid Boo, so ANY line about Goku being capable of killing Kid Boo are Goku being overconfident due to SSJ3's affecting his rationality.

And we can agree that in ALL other works/adaptations, Kid Boo is proven to be stronger. In the anime, in the VizBig translations, etc.

Good to know that secondary fact-checking is meaningless to you.

Good luck SeCoNDarY FacT-cHecKinG with an unofficial source that simply has not been validated yet, and has its fair share of errors too.

Nobody ever claimed Herms or SaiyanJedi are perfect. It's when you have a consensus from several folks fluent in Japanese that you can safely move away from a translation even if it's "official".

Appealing to popularity is a logical fallacy. Secondly, the original manga line regarding absorption[s] taming/weakening/restricting Kid Boo is inconclusive and vague. Thus, the next official line that is correct by default is VizBig's line. Herms' line is the president, VizBig is the VP here. If the President cannot deliver or dies, VP steps in.

The FUNImation dub of DBZ is official too. I guess we have to start calling Bardock a brilliant scientist!

And I guess we'll have to call this a brilliant strawman!

The VizBig edition of the DBZ manga takes precedence over the funimation dub. Also, where was this line even from, any official canon or what? In any rate, it isn't in the VizBig ed. of the manga, nor in the original manga, nor in any of the Herms translations neither.

VIZ also has Goku yelling that Oozaru Vegeta killed his Grandpa. Whats your point?

Source?

[rereboy]

It is beyond proven Kid Boo was holding back his power when he reverted back;

- Kid Boo launched a weak ki blast that Vegeta was able to easily react to & deflect while in SSJ1 (not even a full powered SSJ1 ki blast). If Kid Boo decided to launch a blast at Earth while not holding back a lot, well.. we saw what happened. This is proof beyond any doubt Kid Boo had a HEAVILY suppressed power level.

If a character using an attack weaker than the strongest attack that character is capable is proof that said character is holding back, then every character in every fight is holding back because no fighter only uses his strongest attacks in every fight. So, no.

- Kid Boo shows up on the Kai planet and FALLS ASLEEP, IN TOTAL DISREGARD OF THE WARRIORS.

Goku wasn't powered up at the time and was just arguing with Vegeta, which bored Buu. Immediately after Goku used SSJ3, Kid Buu responded, put up his serious face and got ready.

- Kid Boo was having fun fighting Goku (who went ALL OUT) and was virtually unscathed during their fight, despite eating Goku's most fiercest attacks (2 full powered kamehameha's). After he respawns from tanking the kamehameha, he starts to dance and have the time of his life.

Because Goku's attacks weren't at a level that could actually kill Kid Buu and everything beneath that level, Kid Buu just regenerates instantly. Like Goku says, Goku needs to accumulate power for a minute to launch such an attack but since that's all he needed to do, he is still convinced that he can beat him.

- Kid Boo without absolutely any influence within him PUNCHES Mr Satan square in the face and (the H-word) not only lives, but isn't even KO'd or hardly freakin scratched.

Besides that being a semi-gag scene (as it's obvious from Mr. Satan reaction), the last time Kid Buu tried to attack Mr. Satan it had hurt immensely because of Good Buu. Kid Buu's "punch" was a light tap to see if after spitting out Good Buu he could attack Mr. Satan without hurting. After he sees he can, he goes in for the kill but Good Buu stops him.

What more evidence does anyone need that Kid Boo was never at full power?

How about someone stating that Kid Buu is holding back or that Kid Buu is suppressing is power, like it happens every single time in every other instance where a character is suppressing his power? How about Goku changing his mind about being able to win and stating that there's no way that they can win, just like he did regarding Super Buu? None of that happens.

False, they STILL believe they need a plan in order to defeat Kid Boo, meaning they WERE NOT considering taking him head-on. It is until Kid Boo spawns out of nowhere that they decide to fight - BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE, and because it is the proud, honorable thing to do.

No, they destroyed the potara earings before Kid Buu showed up. When Goku talked about Super Buu, he categorically stated that there was no way they could win without fusion. But regarding Kid Buu, they are both confident that they will manage it without fusion.

It is contradicted, MORE than a minute passed and Goku reverted back to normal. Meaning Goku was NEVER going to finish Kid Boo off on his own, EVER.

Goku didn't know that it was that hard to hold SSJ3 as a living person, which caught him by surprise. That's the only reason. There's nothing contradicting the fact that Goku would be able to do it if it wasn't for that unseen disadvantage.

He was alive when he transformed to fight Bootenks for a moment. He knew. He was also SSJ3 against Fat Boo, so at the very least, seeing how tired it made him when he was dead, he had THAT as a reference. That reference was brutal enough to know its limits.

What are you trying to argue here? It's shown and stated by Goku that he didn't expect SSJ3 to be so hard to hold. Literally. You are twisting logic to go against what Goku directly states.

It is OFFICIALLY stated in the manga the souls Boo ate tamed/weakened him. Thus, without those souls within him restricting him, he is more powerful. Super Boo was restricted, Kid Boo was not. Super Boo minus Good Boo equals more powerful. Super Boo minus Good Boo results in Kid Boo.

That's a common error that has already been explained. In the original manga, nowhere does it say that both Kaioshins weaken them because plurals in Japanese work differently from English and it could be either singular or plural in that sentence. Viz's translation, because of that issue, chose to translate as plural but they could just as easily translate it as singular.

Actual conclusion: Kid Boo > Super Boo

If you say so.

[Duo]

@ConfidenceMatters: That is not an appeal to popularity. That line of logic means that science is a popularity contest.

The FUNImation dub of DBZ is official too. I guess we have to start calling Bardock a brilliant scientist!

And I guess we'll have to call this a brilliant strawman!

The VizBig edition of the DBZ manga takes precedence over the funimation dub. Also, where was this line even from, any official canon or what? In any rate, it isn't in the VizBig ed. of the manga, nor in the original manga, nor in any of the Herms translations neither.

Not a strawman at all. I have not begun engaging in an argument that is different from this one, nor have I mischaracterized your points in the least. Throwing around terms like "fallacy" and "logic" and "strawman" is a haphazard practice if you're not quite sure what those terms mean.

Why does Viz take precedence over Funimation? (And why do you keep referring to VizBig? They have at least 4 versions of the manga out with the same translation. Differentiating is totally irrelevant to this). The line about Bardock came from a bad translation in FUNImation's Dub. But since that is an "official" version, that means it has to be treated as accurate, based on your logic. There is nothing about being "official" that makes a translation or dub more objectively correct than any other. A translation is good if it is objectively good, and that is all there is to it.

[Confidence Matters]

If a character using an attack weaker than the strongest attack that character is capable is proof that said character is holding back, then every character in every fight is holding back because no fighter only uses his strongest attacks in every fight. So, no.

You make zero sense. Show me ANY instance of this happening in the manga.

Goku wasn't powered up at the time and was just arguing with Vegeta, which bored Buu.

Bullshit. Kid Boo falls asleep BEFORE they do Rock-Scissors-Paper. In fact, he falls asleep as soon as he shows up on the Kai planet.

Immediately after Goku used SSJ3, Kid Buu responded, put up his serious face and got ready.

Except the only reason Kid Boo woke up was because rocks kept slapping him on his face. And then he started making Monkey noises and faces, probably mocking Goku because Goku looks like a monkey in SSJ3.

Because Goku's attacks weren't at a level that could actually kill Kid Buu and everything beneath that level, Kid Buu just regenerates instantly. Like Goku says, Goku needs to accumulate power for a minute to launch such an attack but since that's all he needed to do, he is still convinced that he can beat him.

Goku was not capable of doing that. That's what none of you get. I'm pretty sure if Goku was capable of gathering ki into an attack with enough time, he'd be able to kill anyone, even freakin Boohan. Spirit Bomb, anyone? Of course he can sit there and gather a shit-ton of ki in a certain amount of time. The point is he couldn't, and never was going to do so on his own. JUST like it played out in the manga.

Besides that being a semi-gag scene (as it's obvious from Mr. Satan reaction), the last time Kid Buu tried to attack Mr. Satan it had hurt immensely because of Good Buu. Kid Buu's "punch" was a light tap to see if after spitting out Good Buu he could attack Mr. Satan without hurting. After he sees he can, he goes in for the kill but Good Buu stops him.

Fan-fiction, none of this is stated anywhere. Fact is he punched Mr Satan and Satan lived, which is clearly an indication of Kid Boo holding back an immense deal of power. The fact that anyone argues against this hysterically funny to me.

How about someone stating that Kid Buu is holding back or that Kid Buu is suppressing is power, like it happens every single time in every other instance where a character is suppressing his power? How about Goku changing his mind about being able to win and stating that there's no way that they can win, just like he did regarding Super Buu? None of that happens.

Feats trump dialog 99.9% of the time. Dialog can be up for interpretation - feats are simply not. If Goku for example says he can lift the sun on his pinky, and then attempts to do so and fails, which is the truth?

Feats prove Kid Boo was holding back.

Also, Vegeta admits Kid Boo is stronger than he ever imagined... which means Kid Boo's level had risen from when he first spawned on earth. Another clear indicator that Kid Boo was at a suppressed level on earth.

As for Goku continuing to think he can beat Kid Boo - once again, SSJ3 irrationality and overconfidence. Feats proved he cannot beat Kid Boo - not even damage him a single degree. If Goku would have turned SSJ3 against Super Boo, no doubt he would have thought he could beat Super Boo by gathering his energy for 1 whole minute too.

No, they destroyed the potara earings before Kid Buu showed up.

Doesn't matter, Elder Kai felt that was idiotic, and the reasoning behind it was that Kid Boo was on his own and thus they should be too, because of honor & saiyan pride. Concrete proof that it wasn't because Kid Boo was easier.

And right after they destroyed it, Goku said they were going to come up with A PLAN to defeat Kid Boo. That is a change of mind right there, since he went from thinking Kid Boo was manageable to still trying to come up with a plan to avoid head-to-head combat, like he did with Super Boo.

When Goku talked about Super Buu, he categorically stated that there was no way they could win without fusion. But regarding Kid Buu, they are both confident that they will manage it without fusion.

Once again, they weren't confident against Kid Boo at all - they are STILL relying on a plan to stop Kid Boo - the only difference now was that Kid Boo was on his own and thus they felt (due to honor & saiyan pride, not because Boo is now weaker) that they should fight on their own too.

Goku didn't know that it was that hard to hold SSJ3 as a living person, which caught him by surprise. That's the only reason. There's nothing contradicting the fact that Goku would be able to do it if it wasn't for that unseen disadvantage.

At that point in the manga Goku had experienced that form TWICE before already. Once dead, and once alive against Bootenks. He already knew. He just overestimated his abilities to look cool in front of Vegeta, he freakin says this himself lol READ THE MANGA

What are you trying to argue here? It's shown and stated by Goku that he didn't expect SSJ3 to be so hard to hold. Literally. You are twisting logic to go against what Goku directly states.

Nope - Goku transformed into SSJ3 against Bootenks, so he already knew SSJ3's effect on the living body.

That's a common error that has already been explained. In the original manga, nowhere does it say that both Kaioshins weaken them because plurals in Japanese work differently from English and it could be either singular or plural in that sentence. Viz's translation, because of that issue, chose to translate as plural but they could just as easily translate it as singular.

They didn't, they made it plural.

According to the original manga, Kid Boo vs Super Boo is inconclusive because AT is vague as all hell. According to everything else, Kid Boo > Super Boo.

[Darkprince410]

Nope - Goku transformed into SSJ3 against Bootenks, so he already knew SSJ3's effect on the living body.

For a grand total of maybe a few seconds, and even then he didn't use it in a battle situation, as Gotenks' fusion wore off before either of them even threw a punch.

Goku: “Da-dammit…When I was dead, it was no problem at all…It seems that in the end, becoming a Super Saiyan 3 with a living body eats up an excessive amount of ki…”

His statement here makes it pretty clear that he didn't expect it to be this bad with a living body, which means that his brief transformation against Gotenks Buu didn't give him any real indicator on how bad it drained ki. Why would he say that at that particular moment if he already knew, as you claim, exactly how bad the drain was?

They didn't, they made it plural.

They chose to pluralize "souls" when the word soul wasn't even used in the original text whatsoever for what Rou Kaioushin said. All he said in the original was that Buu was that he was "completed", and then went on to specify that he meant that Buu had returned to his original form. At no point is the word soul (or souls, for that matter) shown in Rou's dialogue, which means they added that in without any context. Thus, just some random addition that ends up being inaccurate compared to the original.

[Confidence Matters]

@ConfidenceMatters: That is not an appeal to popularity. That line of logic means that science is a popularity contest.

The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:

1)Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
2)Therefore X is true.

This is literally your argument in regards to why Herms lines are better than the VizBig edition of the manga.

You talk about secondary fact-checking, yet I guarantee you that you don't know fluent japanese, much less how to translate japanese to english coherently, and that you have not checked the ENTIRE original DBZ manga and then checked to see if Herms' lines are 100% accurate yourself. Nor have you compared the original jap manga to the VizBig edition of the manga to see if they're incorrect.

You're going by what others are saying.

Why I'm going with the VIZBIG Ed. of the manga?

IT'S AN OFFICIAL RELEASE OF THE MANGA. NOT FAN-MADE. OFFICIAL.

Not a strawman at all.

It is because you're attributing a DUB error to the VizBig edition of the manga in order to discredit VizBig as a whole. VizBig editions of the manga, it's the manga, takes precedence over anything FUNI has ever said ever.

Why does Viz take precedence over Funimation?

Same exact same reason why the original manga takes precedence over the original anime lol.

The line about Bardock came from a bad translation in FUNImation's Dub. But since that is an "official" version,

of a non-canon material

that means it has to be treated as accurate, based on your logic.

Accurate in whatever timeline Bardock is a scientific genius. Which is in whatever BS non-canon material that has zero to do with the original manga. That's irrelevant.

This is official lines (VizBig ed) versus fan-translations (Herms).

There is nothing about being "official" that makes a translation or dub more objectively correct than any other. A translation is good if it is objectively good, and that is all there is to it.

Yeahhh, as if you'd know if Herms' lines are 100% accurate or not. The only way you know is because others who have claimed to know jap and claim to be competent in translating from jap to eng "verify" Herms' line.

Once again:

1)Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
2)Therefore X is true.

That is a fallacy. Which you are committing by arguing that Herms' lines are more accurate than VizBig ed. lines.

BTW how many people co-signed/verified Herms' lines? And who has verified them? This should all be cited in Herms' thread to further validate his lines

[Faustus]

Yo, Confidence Matters.

Much as I am sympathetic to your view (if only because it makes for better storytelling on the whole and shrinks the idiot ball Vegeta's carrying when he suggests trying the Genki-dama rather than bringing in Gohan and Gotenks, who in your scenario might not be guaranteed a win either), I'd suggest you dial down the scoffing "Lol"s and "Read your mango"s. Don't mean to mini-mod, but this thread is swiftly becoming unpleasant to read through, and you'll be a lot more persuasive if you adapt your attitude.

[Confidence Matters]

For a grand total of maybe a few seconds, and even then he didn't use it in a battle situation, as Gotenks' fusion wore off before either of them even threw a punch.

Time spent in the SSJ3 form in each situation is speculation. For all we know the fight between Kid Boo and Goku could have been as long or shorter than when he transformed into SSJ3 against Bootenks.

Goku: “Da-dammit…When I was dead, it was no problem at all…It seems that in the end, becoming a Super Saiyan 3 with a living body eats up an excessive amount of ki…”

His statement here makes it pretty clear that he didn't expect it to be this bad with a living body, which means that his brief transformation against Gotenks Buu didn't give him any real indicator on how bad it drained ki. Why would he say that at that particular moment if he already knew, as you claim, exactly how bad the drain was?

In either case it doesn't matter because Goku told Piccolo that he couldn't beat Fat Boo, even if he went all out, while it is established Fat Boo is much weaker than Kid Boo.

When later telling Vegeta that he could have beaten Fat Boo, that was Goku clearly attempted to look cool in front of Vegeta as he later admits.

So, since you're a critical thinker, which was more likely the case - BASE Goku (most rational & humble) lying to Piccolo, or SSJ Goku (definitely less rational and humble than Base Goku) who was stated to have been showing off to Vegeta in order to impress him lying to Vegeta?

Also, Goku had zero reason to lie to Piccolo IN PRIVATE. The kids already knew Goku was leaving to heaven forever, they knew Vegeta was dead, and Gohan was "dead" - they were earth's only hope - regardless of what Goku's ability to beat Fat Boo or not. Piccolo didn't need to tell them "not even Goku could have killed Boo", so Goku "lying" makes no sense. Not only that, Fat Boo was now even more rampant and dangerous than ever without Babidi, and was going on a rampage killing the population. NOT only that, Piccolo knew that even if Goku killed Boo, the Kid NEEDED to learn fusion anyhow for the future.

All of this already instilled the heavy dread on Piccolo and the kids to rely on the fusion and give it their 1100%.

So Goku definitely for sure didn't lie to Piccolo when he said he couldn't beat Fat Boo.

Meanwhile, once again, Goku during that entire exchange with Vegeta on Kai's planet prior to taking a break after fighting Kid Boo for a while was stated to be showing off to impress Vegeta.

Kid Boo > Fat Boo > SSJ3 Goku

They chose to pluralize "souls" when the word soul wasn't even used in the original text whatsoever for what Rou Kaioushin said.

And what is it that the original one said? Literally nothing, because it is vague and inconclusive (absorption[s]). Thus the VizBig line takes precedence in this case.

And the VizBig lines says BOTH souls tamed/weakened Boo, thus Kid > Buff Boo > Super Boo

Thus, Kid Boo > Buff Boo > Super Boo > Fat Boo > SSJ3 Goku

All he said in the original was that Buu was that he was "completed", and then went on to specify that he meant that Buu had returned to his original form. At no point is the word soul (or souls, for that matter) shown in Rou's dialogue, which means they added that in without any context.

No context, are you serious right now lol. The entire context was that Kibito was explaining Boo's history. Which including absorbing souls.

[Confidence Matters]

Yo, Confidence Matters.

Much as I am sympathetic to your view (if only because it makes for better storytelling on the whole and shrinks the idiot ball Vegeta's carrying when he suggests trying the Genki-dama rather than bringing in Gohan and Gotenks, who in your scenario might not be guaranteed a win either), I'd suggest you dial down the scoffing "Lol"s and "Read your mango"s. Don't mean to mini-mod, but this thread is swiftly becoming unpleasant to read through, and you'll be a lot more persuasive if you adapt your attitude.

That's another fun fact and I'm glad you brought it up - The spirit bomb had energy from Mystic Gohan, Goku, and the rest of the Z cast - and Goku said it still wasn't enough.

If it were against Super Boo, Mystic Gohan's energy as well as Goku's, Goten's, Trunks', Piccolo's, etc. would have been MORE than enough to obliterate Super Boo and anyone weaker.

Also, the fact that Goku thinks Vegeta's idea was to bring Gohan into the battle AS WELL AS Gotenks SSJ3 to JOIN them both (Goku SSJ3 + Vegeta SSJ2) clearly indicates Kid Boo was way stronger than Super Boo.

Why the hell would Goku think Vegeta would think that if that wasn't the case?

[Lord Beerus]

And the VizBig lines says BOTH souls tamed/weakened Boo, thus Kid > Buff Boo > Super Boo

If you tame something, it's not weakened. It just subdued or not as dangerous as it could be. That's like saying if you tame a lion, it's bite and claws are no longer as sharp and dangerous as it used to be. The only thing tamed about Kid Boo was his nature, not his power.

Kid Boo > Buff Boo > Super Boo > Fat Boo > SSJ3 Goku

What?

SSJ3 Goku was using Fat Boo as punching bag and he later stated he could have obliterated him but wanted to leave it up to Goten and Trunks to save the world. Goku outright stated he did not want to fight Super Boo as Super Boo would destroy him. SSJ3 Goku also states during his battle against Kid Boo that he could destroy him at full power but the SSJ3 transformation proved to taxing on his mortal body and he could muster up enough ki to go full power on Kid Boo.

[Cetra]

Goku does say more than just once in the entire storyline how strong an opponent is, while not even fully talking about all of his own options and power ups so I say this is not as obvious as people think. Especially when power comparison and how people get stronger and by much in Dragon Ball is a totally messy topic in general.

Also, Boo's power was not even really thought about anyway. Word of God says probably not even Boo knows his power. Now we bring in all incarnations and we can agree on turning around and walk away from this topic because in the end it is no use.

[rereboy]

The spirit bomb had energy from Mystic Gohan, Goku, and the rest of the Z cast - and Goku said it still wasn't enough.

That's another common mistake. As stated by Toriyama in SEG: Story Guide, Ki consists of many components, for example genki ( vitality), yuuki (bravery), shouki (being in your right mind) and others, even though they are all essential to the person.

The Genki dama only collects genki, so it only collects one type and one fraction of the Ki of a person.

As for the rest of your responses to me, just from the very first one, I can already tell it's not worthwhile since you seem to have completely missed my point. Not to mention your other responses on this topic to other users and your general tone... So, I'll just say what I said before: if you say so...

[Confidence Matters]

If you tame something, it's not weakened. It just subdued or not as dangerous as it could be. That's like saying if you tame a lion, it's bite and claws are no longer as sharp and dangerous as it used to be. The only thing tamed about Kid Boo was his nature, not his power.

There you have it folks, by your logic, since Kid Boo = Buff Boo = Fat Boo, then Super Boo is both stronger than Fat Boo (thus stronger than Buff Boo & Kid Boo......) AND weaker than Buff Boo (and thus weaker than Fat Boo & Kid Boo)

BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

SSJ3 Goku was using Fat Boo as punching bag and he later stated he could have obliterated him but wanted to leave it up to Goten and Trunks to save the world. Goku outright stated he did not want to fight Super Boo as Super Boo would destroy him. SSJ3 Goku also states during his battle against Kid Boo that he could destroy him at full power but the SSJ3 transformation proved to taxing on his mortal body and he could muster up enough ki to go full power on Kid Boo.

Yet Goku did exactly zero damage to Fat Boo. Not a single degree. If Goku was superior, Fat Boo would have resorted to absorption.


Look man. At this point, after all the post up ahead of you and rebuttals to literally everything you've said that you just ignored, this is futile. I've seen you post, and nothing good can come from engaging in this argument with you, no offense. Especially considering you're just going to ignore what I've said, and especially considering you think Pikkon can actually beat Ledgic.

[rereboy]

Yeah, that's what is happening here...

[Confidence Matters]

That's another common mistake. As stated by Toriyama in SEG: Story Guide, Ki consists of many components, for example genki ( vitality), yuuki (bravery), shouki (being in your right mind) and others, even though they are all essential to the person.

The Genki dama only collects genki, so it only collects one type and one fraction of the Ki of a person.

I know this, I'm the one who originally proposed the fact that since Kid Boo is PURE of heart/character, and Super Boo is not, then his level is higher despite being the same being with the same genki / yuuki. The only difference between Kid Boo, Buff Boo, Fat Boo and Super Boo is Shouki. Buff & Fat Boo are Kid Boo with less Shouki (due to the kais making Boo's heart none-Pure evil). That's why Kid Boo is stronger than Buff Boo - his Shouki is much higher since he is 100% PURE evil.

As for the rest of your responses to me, just from the very first one, I can already tell it's not worthwhile since you seem to have completely missed my point. Not to mention your other responses on this topic to other users and your general tone... So, I'll just say what I said before: if you say so...

Nah, you KNOW you cannot rebuttal what I said.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

What's funny is that the VizBig lines don't even say both of them weakened him. Old Kaioshin deduces that both of them tamed him, and Kaioshin tells us that he's lost the "soul" that he gained. That's a reference to Dai Kaioshin. Before that, he says Boo was an uncontrollable failure that Bibbidi couldn't control until he absorbed the Dai Kaioshin. That alone is enough to prove South Kaioshin never tamed or weakened him one bit.

Kid Boo is considered a more fair opponent to fight now that he's no longer merged. Super Boo is considered an opponent that they can't fight without being merged. Kid Boo destroyed Vegeta and played with Mr. Boo, but he couldn't do the same to Goku. Why? Because they're around the same level.