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by Akira » Wed May 20, 2015 8:50 pm
Hey guys, although we can't say for sure specifically how much power Goku or Freeza was ramping up to -exactly- prior to the 50% Freeza point of the fight, this is a point in the series where between the manga and the daizenshuu, we do have exact battle powers for their maximums and Goku's base starting point after exiting the healing tank. While I personally don't care much for trying to debate things on some sort of numerical value anytime after the Freeza arc, they are still officially in play at the point of the series you are trying to discuss here. Between Freeza stating percentages, and Goku's Kaioken being an exact multiplier, you can draw some fairly set in stone conclusions.
We know that Freeza was nearly completely suppressed at the beginning of the fight because he was merely toying with Piccolo, Vegeta and the others prior to Goku's arrival. We also know that Freeza tried to toy with Goku as well, and their very first exchange ended up with Goku appearing to have the upper hand. The numbers listed below are not saying that Freeza was specifically at any of these exact percentages, but simply to illustrate how much of his power he was probably incrementally showing up until Goku showed his max, which was a comparatively mere 3 million. Anything after that, Goku, trying to conserve as much of his power as he could, had to be using the Kaioken in extremely small bursts to keep up.
We saw during the fight with the Ginyu force that he could ramp up his power in extremely small bursts. After his training on the way to Namek, he learned to use Kaioken more effectively, in extremely small, quick bursts when necessary. His extended double Kaioken for Ginyu was child's play and an intimidation show. A normal, double Kaioken, by this point (the fight with Freeza) was natural and easy to do. During the fight with Vegeta on earth it was extended bursts because he had just learned the technique, and we saw what ramping it up to a triple and quadruple for extended periods did to his body back then. By the fight with Freeza, he had mastered it up to the point that a x10 Kaioken could be used in extremely quick, small bursts to maximum efficiency. It wasn't fully noticeable until he ramped it up to x20 because only then was he using an extended burst beyond his limits coupled with the fact that he was desperate by that point as well.
We know when Freeza said after their "warmup" round was over that they were both going to get serious. Goku was serious then too. That is when Freeza used 25% of his power and Goku started using the Kaioken x10 in instant bursts to keep up. Both the 25% and Kaioken x10 have them fighting evenly at 30 million. Then Freeza said he'd use 50%, and Goku hoped he was bluffing. That is when Kaioken x20 came briefly into play and Goku got desperate. After becoming a Super Saiyan, Freeza blows the core on the planet and says that was not quite three quarters of his power. He uses 70% (not quite 3 quarters or 75% basically), but then goes for 100% when he realizes Son as a Super Saiyan is stronger still.
1,200,000 – Freeza (final form – 1%) (Toying with Piccolo, Gohan and Krillin, Vegeta can see this and move fast enough to save Gohan)
2,400,000 – Freeza (final form – 2%) (Vegeta gets wrecked, Goku shows up and kicks Freeza in the face after he tries to attack him at this percentage)
3,600,000 – Freeza (final form – 3%) (Freeza and Goku have their "warmup bout" around this 2.5 to 3% range)
6,000,000 – Freeza (final form – 5%) (By the end of their initial skirmish, Freeza has increased some, and Goku has been using instant double Kaiokens to match him)
30,000,000 – Freeza (final form – 25%) (They decide to get serious, Goku opts for a ground battle, and Freeza says "No hands", Goku uses instant Tenfold Kaiokens)
60,000,000 – Freeza (final form – 50%) (Freeza claims no one but his parents have ever caused him to get dirty in a fight, desperate Goku uses Kaioken x20)
84,000,000 – Freeza (final form - 70%) (Freeza uses this level of strength to survive the Genki Dama, and fight Super Saiyan Goku initially)
120,000,000 – Freeza (final form – 100%) (Goku allows Freeza to go to max power to fight him at his best)
3,000,000 – Son Goku (Base Max)
6,000,000 – Son Goku (Kaioken x2)
30,000,000 – Son Goku (Kaioken x10)
60,000,000 – Son Goku (Kaioken x20)
150,000,000 – Son Goku (Super Saiyan)
In the Anime, I recall when North Kaio explains that Goku has been using it in bursts the whole time, it shows a couple scenes slowed down so that the instant bursts could be seen visually. Hope this gives you guys some good reference for your discussion.
"Of" =/= "Have"
Contractions:
-Should have = Should've
-Could have = Could've
-Would have = Would've
The heck does "should of" even mean anyway? Think about what those two words mean individually, and then try to read them back to back in a sentence and make sense of it. Are you forming a prepositional phrase, is "should" a part of a larger grouping, or are you just typing random words based on how you think you hear them used verbally? Perhaps take a moment to contemplate this, and see if it becomes as mind jarring for you to look at as it does for me..
