Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I also wouldn't have missed it, had it never existed.
Definitely, but as a fan you would still wish for more amazing new Batman stories, even if you didn't know what kind of exactly they would be.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Obviously this is an entirely subjective matter, which is why I'm curious as to why you're arguing about it. One can be both a "real fan" and want the story to be over or not milked in perpetuity.
Not really arguing, more like curious about different perspectives here. Like you said, some would prefer for the story to end permanently rather than suffer through crap new material (even if there was a 'reward' good stuff waiting down the line).
I don't have any confidence that there is any "reward" of good stuff in DB's foreseeable future, is the thing. The whole zeitgeist now seems to be that everything I enjoyed about the series was a mistake.
I haven't enjoyed Batman, aside from the Arkham games, since the DC Animated Universe ended.
Obviously even just "might" is higher chance than "will not ever" if the franchise stays dead. As for Batman The Animated Series, you wouldn't get that if the franchise stayed dead after Golden Age or after live-action TV series.
I also wouldn't have missed it, had it never existed.
Obviously this is an entirely subjective matter, which is why I'm curious as to why you're arguing about it. One can be both a "real fan" and want the story to be over or not milked in perpetuity.
I know this is pretty off-topic already, but what about Under the Red Hood. That movie was actually pretty good in my opinion.
chizzielamer wrote:there will soon be four on-going Dragon Ball mangas (SD, Victory Mission, Super, and Discross)
Five, actually. There is also Dragon Ball Heroes: Super Charisma Mission.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Rocketman wrote:I don't have any confidence that there is any "reward" of good stuff in DB's foreseeable future, is the thing. The whole zeitgeist now seems to be that everything I enjoyed about the series was a mistake.
You've come to this conclusion based on two movies and a 15 page one shot manga chapter?
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
chizzielamer wrote:there will soon be four on-going Dragon Ball mangas (SD, Victory Mission, Super, and Discross)
Five, actually. There is also Dragon Ball Heroes: Super Charisma Mission.
Victory Mission is technically on hiatus, but it could very well be dead in the near future. I certainly don't see Toyotaro coming back to work on it if he's going to be doing a continual Super adaptation. Not unless he is able to adapt to being able to work with a much higher page count every month and they toss him an extra assistant or two.
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
My personal "canon" and BP list. (Coming Soon)
Lord Beerus wrote:You've come to this conclusion based on two movies and a 15 page one shot manga chapter?
When they're heralded as The Return of True Dragonball Under the Original Creator, yeah.
And besides Toriyama, it seems like damn near everyone else has vanished into their supershonen nostalgiac half-remembered vision of Dragonball. See: that thread where people seriously thought Goku would be a good dad because he gave them the warm fuzzies, or Nozawa going "Goku is a friend to all~~".
sintzu wrote:If the new movies,toys,arcade games,Xenoverse&Kai aren't quality products then what are ?
If you honestly think the new movies, Heroes, or Kai are quality products, we have so little in common that no amount of words will sway the other.
Out of curiosity, what was your favorite thing about DB prior to its modern day revival? Favorite saga and such?
I'm not too fond of BoG, the modern specials, Heroes, Minus, and so on either. <.< I do love Kai dub though.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
