DBZ IZ the STRONGEST UNIVERSE

Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
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Re: DBZ IZ the STRONGEST UNIVERSE

Post by Cetra » Fri May 29, 2015 3:47 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote: The Time Lords put universes in bottles and use them as disposable power sources...

(Just figured I'd mention that for no reason)
I do that everyday.

That discussion is no use by the way. What is the most powerful entity in the Marvelverse?

The One above all.

But The One above all is pretty much nothing than the author's power. So it cannot really be used to be called stronger than Dragon Ball.

What other stuff exists?

Superman?
The Beyonder? The Living Tribunal? Mr. Fantastic's Son?
Tolkien's Eru Illuvatar?
Rastlin from Dragon Lance who became a god but did not know what else to do so he made everything normal again?
Square Enix characters which can rule chaos, nothingness, nature, resist death, and everything they want if the plot decides them to do?
Every other Japanese Role Playing Game?
Bayonetta where a creator god and chaos ruler god was defeated with ease?
Asura's Wrath where pretty much the same thing happened?
Cartoons?
Every Fictional Universe in existence?

Dragon Ball is very high. I would not automatically say they are the strongest but just because their battles and abilities are shown to be more down to Earth than for example the abilities that are shown in DC and Marvel I would not say they cannot compare to them. Kaioshin already are creator gods and Dragon Ball already shows that they do not really care about hot great they are. Being a god is nothing special in Dragon Ball like Akira Toriyama says, that is because all Dragon Ball characters are so ridiculously powerful, they pretty much are gods themselves. But still there are gods with super powers. And still they cannot compare to them.

So in the end, it is no use talk about it.
OWmyDragonBallz wrote:I never thought a thread like this would seek the light of Kanzenshuu. Anyhow, I can name several people who can solo the DB verse a billion times over : The Beyonder, The Living Tribunal, The One above all, Prime One Million Superman, Galactus, etc.
N, you cannot and the fact that you have stated an embodiement of an author shows that. That is like me saying "Akira Toriyama owns all Marvel characters".
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Re: DBZ IZ the STRONGEST UNIVERSE

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri May 29, 2015 4:33 pm

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Lord Beerus wrote:I have never once believed that the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction. And anybody who does think the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction, needs a reality check.
Are you sure about that? Are you one of the people who supports Death Battle constantly letting DBZ lose?
Dragon Ball Z characters winning or losing in Death Battle means nothing to me.

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Post by Doctor. » Fri May 29, 2015 4:41 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:I have never once believed that the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction. And anybody who does think the Dragon Ball universe is the strongest universe in fiction, needs a reality check.
Are you sure about that? Are you one of the people who supports Death Battle constantly letting DBZ lose?
Dragon Ball Z characters winning or losing in Death Battle means nothing to me.
It means to me. Fan reaction from both sides (more-so our side unfortunately) is always hilarious to read.

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Post by OWmyDragonBallz » Fri May 29, 2015 10:20 pm

I never thought a thread like this would seek the light of Kanzenshuu. Anyhow, I can name several people who can solo the DB verse a billion times over : The Beyonder, The Living Tribunal, The One above all, Prime One Million Superman, Galactus, etc.

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Post by TripleRach » Sat May 30, 2015 7:44 am

Just because you find the premise of the thread ridiculous doesn't mean it's open season to act obnoxious. We're not on an imageboard, and meaningless one-liners don't belong.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:08 pm

TripleRach wrote:Just because you find the premise of the thread ridiculous doesn't mean it's open season to act obnoxious. We're not on an imageboard, and meaningless one-liners don't belong.
Thank you Rachel. After taking the effort to come up with that OP, it would be nice for the people saying that the information is incorrect to say why it is wrong, instead of just bashing the concept.
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Post by supercat » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:18 pm

Despite being an avid DBZ fan (my favorite fiction), I can acknowledge beings from other fictional universes that may have the potential to be able to fight on par with, and possibly even defeat some of the top tiered fighters of DBZ.

I feel that there are a few select mutants from X-men that may actually fall into the rare category of being able to pose a serious problem to DBZ universe. Below are possible candidates who I feel may be able to dish out some substantial damage:

Professor X - With his telepathic ability, as well as his ability to control minds, it seems like a possibility that he can use these powers to either turn the mightiest of the Z-Fighters against each other and ultimately have them lead themselves to their own demise. I could perhaps see Whis, Beerus, and possibly SSG Goku somehow being able to resist this, but it seems unlikely that the other Z-Fighters would have the same favorable outcome.

Magneto - While he probably won't be able to do much to the majority of Z-Fighters or their enemies, I could see him being able to trash the Androids or any being who may happen to be composed of a metallic physiology (ie: Meta-Cooler).

Jean Grey - Phoenix - This could be one tough fight for Goku or anyone below him for that matter. Without going into detail, the only one I see being able to take on Phoenix could be be Whis, possibly Beerus, and possibly SSGSS Vegeta / Goku.

Sebastian Shaw (First Class): With his amazing energy absorbing capabilities and without there ever being an indication to this gift having a limit, I could see him being able to withstand some major attacks. With enough absorption from ki blasts (Kamehameha, Makankosappo, etc.), it'd be interesting to see how powerful this guy can get. If there truly is no limit to how much energy he can absorb, just imagine how powerful he would be after absorbing something like the Spirit Bomb used against Kid Buu.

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Post by singsing » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:12 pm

Jean Grey - Phoenix - This could be one tough fight for Goku or anyone below him for that matter. Without going into detail, the only one I see being able to take on Phoenix could be be Whis, possibly Beerus, and possibly SSGSS Vegeta / Goku.
Jean as Phoenix yolo solo's the entire DBZ-verse sans Tori-bot with her eyes closed sleeping while fucking Wolverine.

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Post by Mac » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:16 pm

I love DBZ as much as the next guy, but there's plenty of forces out there that can wipe away the Z team like they're children.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:18 pm

Bitch Pudding Solo's the DBZverse.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

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Post by Blackstripe » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:23 pm

singsing wrote:
Jean Grey - Phoenix - This could be one tough fight for Goku or anyone below him for that matter. Without going into detail, the only one I see being able to take on Phoenix could be be Whis, possibly Beerus, and possibly SSGSS Vegeta / Goku.
Jean as Phoenix yolo solo's the entire DBZ-verse sans Tori-bot with her eyes closed sleeping while fucking Wolverine.
I don't know about that. It really depends on who's writing her.

I believe in a more recent issue, The Phoenix Force itself gets KO'd by Thor, somehow. Think it was in Avengers vs X-Men. SSGSS Goku/Vegeta, Beerus and Whis could have a solid shot at taking her down, with that in mind.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:29 pm

Blackstripe wrote:
singsing wrote:
Jean Grey - Phoenix - This could be one tough fight for Goku or anyone below him for that matter. Without going into detail, the only one I see being able to take on Phoenix could be be Whis, possibly Beerus, and possibly SSGSS Vegeta / Goku.
Jean as Phoenix yolo solo's the entire DBZ-verse sans Tori-bot with her eyes closed sleeping while fucking Wolverine.
I don't know about that. It really depends on who's writing her.

I believe in a more recent issue, The Phoenix Force itself gets KO'd by Thor, somehow. Think it was in Avengers vs X-Men. SSGSS Goku/Vegeta, Beerus and Whis could have a solid shot at taking her down, with that in mind.
The Phoenix Force without a host isn't as formidable a fighter as it is with one. See 3 or 4 issues later when Thor is defeated by Emma Frost wielding only a fifth of the Phoenix Force.
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Post by Dbzk1999 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:33 am

supercat wrote:
Magneto - While he probably won't be able to do much to the majority of Z-Fighters or their enemies, I could see him being able to trash the Androids or any being who may happen to be composed of a metallic physiology (ie: Meta-Cooler).
Erik can manipulate more than metallic beings

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Post by Diotor » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:49 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Welcome to die!
Hey man, we don't want no X-Chickens around here.

Isn't Dark Phoenix another step above Phoenix in terms of raw power?

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:05 am

Diotor wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Welcome to die!
Hey man, we don't want no X-Chickens around here.

Isn't Dark Phoenix another step above Phoenix in terms of raw power?
No. Dark Phoenix may be more willing to use that power, but it's not stronger.
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