How would you improve GT?

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:21 pm

HP, are you actually reading our messages? =/ There's a timeline in the Daizenshuu and GT Perfect Files that state there's a five year difference.

http://www.thegrandline.com/dbzinfo/timeline.html

That's a translation of the timeline, by Greg Werner, taken using the Daizenshuu and the Perfect Files.

I really don't care what any dub or fan magazine says. If it's not in the original, it really doesn't apply to the original. Particularly when there're official books that say otherwise.

I really don't want to sound cross, but this is getting rather tiring...

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:02 pm

He was asking whether anything is said in the original where a dub says five years. You (plural) haven't directly answered yet.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:07 pm

El_Diablo wrote:He was asking whether anything is said in the original where a dub says five years. You (plural) haven't directly answered yet.

No, FUNi's official website and dub says ten, whereas the JP version and Daizenshuu/Perfect Files list it as five.

tenkaichigoten · Post by **tenkaichigoten** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:42 pm

Chaos Saiyajin wrote:
tenkaichigoten wrote:-Id keep it still 15 years after Buu's Defeat
-Super Saiyan Pan(She had moments in GT That could have trigured it)
-SSJ2 Goten
-SSJ2 Trunks
-SSJ3 Vegeta
-Not nerdy Gohan
- SSJ2 & SSJ3 Gohan
-Goten Trunks Goku and Gohan go into space
-Adult Gotenks
-Tail Extension for all Saiyans(Goku,Vegeta,Gohan,Goten,Trunks,Bra,and Pan)
-Bebi's last victim not Vegeta but Goten or Trunks
-Keep long hair Goten
-Mirai Trunks
-Goten and Valese as a serious couple
-Trunks non nerdy
-Goten and Trunks and Goku and Goku and Vegeta fight at the Tenkaichi Budokais
15 years? No. GT took place 5 years after Z.

What i meant was 15 years buu's Defeat in Z

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:25 pm

tenkaichigoten wrote:
Chaos Saiyajin wrote:
tenkaichigoten wrote:-Id keep it still 15 years after Buu's Defeat
-Super Saiyan Pan(She had moments in GT That could have trigured it)
-SSJ2 Goten
-SSJ2 Trunks
-SSJ3 Vegeta
-Not nerdy Gohan
- SSJ2 & SSJ3 Gohan
-Goten Trunks Goku and Gohan go into space
-Adult Gotenks
-Tail Extension for all Saiyans(Goku,Vegeta,Gohan,Goten,Trunks,Bra,and Pan)
-Bebi's last victim not Vegeta but Goten or Trunks
-Keep long hair Goten
-Mirai Trunks
-Goten and Valese as a serious couple
-Trunks non nerdy
-Goten and Trunks and Goku and Goku and Vegeta fight at the Tenkaichi Budokais
15 years? No. GT took place 5 years after Z.
What i meant was 15 years buu's Defeat in Z

Oh, okay...sorry for starting such an argument.

HP · Post by HP » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:50 pm

OK, I don't want to go more offtopic here. Enough is enough.

El_Diablo wrote:He was asking whether anything is said in the original where a dub says five years. You (plural) haven't directly answered yet.

That was it!

B-kun wrote:HP, are you actually reading our messages? =/ There's a timeline in the Daizenshuu and GT Perfect Files that state there's a five year difference.

http://www.thegrandline.com/dbzinfo/timeline.html

That's a translation of the timeline, by Greg Werner, taken using the Daizenshuu and the Perfect Files.

I really don't care what any dub or fan magazine says. If it's not in the original, it really doesn't apply to the original. Particularly when there're official books that say otherwise.

I really don't want to sound cross, but this is getting rather tiring...

chill

Saiyan · Post by **Saiyan** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:19 pm

Anyway, I haven't seen all of GT, but I think I get the ideas between all of the sagas.

I would keep Goku as an adult. Keeping him as an adult wouldn't really complicate the plot. For example, since Goku usually pinpoints his targets by sensing ki when using the Shunkan Idou, and the Dragon Balls have no ki, they can still fly into space.

Have Goku actaully MASTER the SSj3 stage (as in not putting so much strain on the body), making it useful for once.

More interaction between the other characters. I mean, for the Evil Dragons saga, they could have had each of the remaining Z senshi fight a dragon, sorta like in One Piece, how they had an episode or two focusing on a character fighting another. That also means bringing Gohan and Gotenks back in the picture.

Make the characters not look like crap. Trunks looks like a wimp, which was totally different than the end of Z. Goten needs a better hair style. Pan needs to change too. At the end of Z, she was a fighter in a gi, then changes to some whiny bitch in a bandana.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:35 am

El_Diablo wrote:He was asking whether anything is said in the original where a dub says five years. You (plural) haven't directly answered yet.

As far as I can remember, though it's been a few years since I saw GT, it's not stated in the original Japanese version, but as was already pointed out, it is stated in the Daizenshuu and Perfect Files as 5 years, so that would be the correct answer since those were made with Toriyama's approval, even if they don't always make sense in certain areas.

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:39 pm

But a statement in the original anime would be worth much more than one from a companion book.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:24 pm

Saiyan's got the right idea here, mainly that of getting back on topic. While firmly establishing when GT takes place is a good idea on improving it, timeline discussion honestly wasn't what this thread was supposed to be about.

Anyhoo, I like the mastering SSj3 idea, Saiyan. Ditto on the character improvement, too, especially Pan.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:12 pm

El_Diablo wrote:But a statement in the original anime would be worth much more than one from a companion book.

Yes it would, however, as I said, the companion guides were made with Toriyama's full approval, so they are just as valid.

Sorry guys, just wanted to reiterate that for El Diablo. Back on topic now, I swear.

Edit: Sorry about that. I meant to put El Diablo in the first place. ^^'

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:54 pm

Man, so many suggestions, someone should make a Fan Manga, Fiction, etc.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:17 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:
El_Diablo wrote:But a statement in the original anime would be worth much more than one from a companion book.
Yes it would, however, as I said, the companion guides were made with Toriyama's full approval, so they are just as valid.

Sorry guys, just wanted to reiterate that for Eclipse. Back on topic now, I swear.

Eclipse? Where?

[Back on topic] Anyway...I like Saiyan's idea about Goku actually mastering SSJ3 and using it more often.

Ninja Poe Bear · Post by **Ninja Poe Bear** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:42 pm

Do (current version): Make sure that all DBGT episodes, in any language, are close to the original version. Namely, original music, intro/ending, and close to original dialogue.

Do (fantasy version): Get ideas from Akira Toriyama on how to handle the plot, as in the first saga plot, and even try to sneak in images of characters that were from other Akira Toriyama-based manga-to-anime series.

Do (both): Add information and details on species, characters, etc. in V Jump (as well as Shonen Jump).

Don't (both): Alter the original series (current), as well as alter the series in hopes of mirroring Dragonball (fantasy)... for any reason at all.

Panda · Post by **Panda** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:45 pm

Is it 5 or 10... I think Pan fits a 9-year olds body better...

If my skills were up to par I'd make a fan manga, even if only a short one.

I'd easily change:

-Pan has to become an SSJ if only so that Toei doesn't look sexist... Also, I don't think SSJ4 is nessacary.
-Gotenks, at least once...
-Trunks wasn't a nerd and Goten wasn't a playa...
-Goku would be a little older than Pan was... I'd put him for about 12 if Pan is 9. That'd also make the 10th anniversary movie more interesting because at that point there would be a new Goku.
-More characters for fights...
-I'm a huge Gohan fan so... more Gohan and Videl... Wouldn't that be cute, a little family training session

-Videl looses the french braid... (I hate GT Videl... if only for that reason...)
-Make it more spread out... it seems like all of this happened within a year or two... A five year spread throughout all of GT could easily make up for a couple of things.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:15 pm

I would improve the video quality.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:50 am

Let's just pretend that GT didn't happen.. Alright? The only way you could improve it would be to start it all over again. Pathetic.

Okay, maybe there are some good moments.

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:10 pm

It's already been said, but I *really* would have enjoyed it better if Pan went Super Saiyan... especially if they saved it for the final battle with Yi Xing Long.

Daizensushi-x · Post by **Daizensushi-x** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:47 pm

Sorry if this has been already said, I just skipped to last page and read what was one it, but if I were to improve one thing from DBGT (there are so many things to improve) I would have Goku stay an adult throughout the whole show. I mean, Emperor Pilof practically came out of nowhere!

And I think Goku's power level would have been much higher if he was an adult.

Here is my opinion on power levels-
Adult Goku (normal state)= 110,000,000
Kid Goku (GT, normal state)=50,000,000

I was just trying to show that he got weaker in my opinion.
He couldn't even hold SSJ3 that long!

I'm done ranting.

DB_Fan · Post by **DB_Fan** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:12 pm

Just give the other characters (Gohan, Goten, Bra, Bulma, Krillin, Marron, ChiChi, Videl, Satan, Vegeta, Piccolo, ...) more screen time, and less for Goku and Pan.

Kanzenshuu

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