Thoughts on A hero's legacy ?

[GTX]

How about you try to do that yourself. It will lead you 99% straight to jail. Not even family member can dismiss such as rude behaviour. Creating fake grave without that people consent only lead you to jail furthermore It's putted in normal cemetery.
Goku most likely younger than pan if not equal. He became children again at GT.
So If pan can reach more than 100 years why don't pan think goku can't.
You're also wrong. The narator said, has passsed nearly 100 years, and not exactly 100 years in the event of hero's legacy. So it's stated as less than 100 years.

[Darkprince410]

I'm not asking your opinions but hard evidences/ proofs because i'm busy too. So stop circling around.
Just give the solid proof instead of making things up because i know you can't.

There have been official changes in how many years there are between the Budoukais, with three and four year gaps being shown. In addition, why would that be a reason to consider the special "not-canon" to GT, when it's GT that shows the actual Budoukai, 100 years after the end of GT. It's not the special that shows it, but the actual final episode of GT.

You're totally wrong. There is no statement about how many years has happened in the time skip of GT.

1) I'm giving you legitimate evidence that "bodyless" burials are a common occurrence in the real world, so there's no reason to throw aside the special just because you think that Goku having a gravestone one hundred years after he disappeared doesn't make sense.

2) The GT Perfect Files (the GT equivalent of the Daizenshuu )place it as being 100 years after the final battle with Ii Shinlon. Besides, we know it has to be at least 100 years after, given that the Dragon Balls and Goku are back, both having went off with Shenlon for 100 years following Shenlon's final wish to restore the Earth.

How about you try to do that yourself. It will lead you 99% straight to jail. Not even family member can dismiss such as rude behaviour. Creating fake grave without that people consent only lead you to jail furthermore It's putted in normal cemetery.

Who's saying that it wasn't done with family consent? Nothing at all says that Goku's family didn't decide to memorialize him, having assumed he died during the course of the 100 years between.

So If pan can reach more than 100 years why don't pan think goku can't.

Because no one knew exactly what happened to Goku, with it being left ambiguous even amongst the anime teams/voice actors as to what actually happened to him. Goku's family didn't necessarily know if they'd ever, ever see him again, so memorializing someone in that manner is, again, not unrealistic.

[GTX]

I'm not asking your opinions but hard evidences/ proofs because i'm busy too. So stop circling around.
Just give the solid proof instead of making things up because i know you can't.

There have been official changes in how many years there are between the Budoukais, with three and four year gaps being shown. In addition, why would that be a reason to consider the special "not-canon" to GT, when it's GT that shows the actual Budoukai, 100 years after the end of GT. It's not the special that shows it, but the actual final episode of GT.

You're totally wrong. There is no statement about how many years has happened in the time skip of GT.

1) I'm giving you legitimate evidence that "bodyless" burials are a common occurrence in the real world, so there's no reason to throw aside the special just because you think that Goku having a gravestone one hundred years after he disappeared doesn't make sense.

2) The GT Perfect Files (the GT equivalent of the Daizenshuu )place it as being 100 years after the final battle with Ii Shinlon. Besides, we know it has to be at least 100 years after, given that the Dragon Balls and Goku are back, both having went off with Shenlon for 100 years following Shenlon's final wish to restore the Earth.

No, you only state your random opinion, tbh
surely people will be thrown into jail by doing that.
Give me the link where existed such a thing because you don't.
Very Small cult in asian will make an altar to pay respect or to talk to their anscestor and no grave.
If you don't have any proof it's the end of discussion.

2) link for this?
Daizenshuu and GT perfect files mostly wrong but it's another topic and another matter.

It's idiot to create FAKE GRAVE in normal cemetery that mostly lead you straight into jail.
That's why one of the reason Legacy hero is impossible to happen.

Because no one knew exactly what happened to Goku, with it being left ambiguous even amongst the anime teams/voice actors as to what actually happened to him. Goku's family didn't necessarily know if they'd ever, ever see him again, so memorializing someone in that manner is, again, not unrealistic.

altar is the most common thing and has been done by small cult and many people in some religion also do similar custom just to pay respect. Creating fake grave in normal cemetery will get you thrown into jail surely.

Who's saying that it wasn't done with family consent? Nothing at all says that Goku's family didn't decide to memorialize him, having assumed he died during the course of the 100 years between.

Because it still put you in jail without that specified man/ woman consent.
It was very rude. That's why it can lead you straight to jail surely.

[Darkprince410]

It's idiot to create FAKE GRAVE in normal cemetery that mostly lead you straight into jail.

Again, this happens a lot. It happens all the time when it comes to military as well as any other situation of a body not being recoverable for burial. It legally can and is done, so it's not going to get someone thrown in prison because of it.

Besides, even if a normal individual wouldn't be allowed such courtesy, do you think it's unfeasible for a family member of Mr. Satan (let alone a good friend) to be given such privileges upon "death", especially if Mr. Satan arranged it? Besides, just because there's a grave marker/headstone there doesn't mean there's actually a coffin or anything of the sort underneath.

So again, nothing about the special contradicts the ending of GT. Just because you think that it's illegal for such practices to be held (for one, it isn't, and two, it's a fantasy setting, so what might be illegal in the real world isn't necessarily so there) doesn't mean that it is, or that the special should be disregarded because of it.

[Soppa Saia People]

Can somebody lock this ? This is getting off topic.

[successoroffate]

Can somebody lock this ? This is getting off topic.

Someone has to summon the Vegettoexthingy guy cause you're right, and it's kinda of annoying.

[TheZFighter]

A Hero's Legacy was pretty much the only thing about GT that I did like.

[Kuririn Fan]

It was cute little special. I enjoyed it, the ending was very emotional.

[Kunzait_83]

Was never really fond of this special. At all. Its certainly a tremendously FAR cry from the absolutely stellar apex of awesome that is the two Z specials by gargantuan leaps and bounds.

In some ways it sort of feels like a vague precursor to stuff like the JSAT special and swathes of Super decades down the road: it feels less like a martial arts fantasy story like the rest of DB before it and more like a more generic/general wacky Shonen adventure thing (with some helpings of sap thrown in for good measure natch). The whole Goku Jr. thing was way, way, way better used as a very brief coda to end off the last episode of GT with.

Seeing him just run around with some forgettable monsters, some bland witch villain, and a dopey school bully sidekick, getting into lame adventures that never really involve martial arts or martial arts training a particularly great deal and focuses more on some eye-rollingly lame, after school special-ish moral about him being less of a cry-baby (something which Gohan's Saiya-jin saga arc deftly avoided entirely, other than maybe a stray anime filler ep here or there)...

...honestly, this whole special rarely ever felt all that much like Dragon Ball and more like it could've easily been just a random episode of any other one of countless, countless tiresome, insipid Shonen anime series that are out there instead.

The only bit of it that I liked and that's stuck with me at all from it is just seeing the dilapidated ruins of Grandpa Gohan's old hut on Mt. Paozu, completely abandoned and all battered and worn down with age. Great visual.

Aside from that? Completely useless, and something I've probably only gone back to revisit maybe once or twice at most since I first saw it in the mid-90s. I'd even go so far as to say that its worse than the main GT series sometimes gets, which is certainly saying something as GT's got plenty of its fair share of low points to pick from.

Come to think of it, I may even dislike this more than the JSAT special, and I REALLY fucking could not stand the vast overwhelming majority of that thing; but even that had a couple of stray cool moments scattered throughout the sugary fluffy lameness, and it was the last ride for the classic Kikuchi score which can elevate just about anything it touches... all of which is a lot more than can be said for GT's lone TV special.

With the possibly/maybe exception of Super (which has been bad enough in the early goings that I gave up on it awhile ago: I didn't even ever give up on GT back in the day), this may well be my pick for absolute bottom of the barrel of DB anime material.

[successoroffate]

I am re-watching A hero's Legacy right now from the Green Bricks (Japanese Mono-English Subs)

Edit: Just finished watching it. My heart is melted. Seeing Goku again makes me so happy yet so sad. Tomorrow I'll post my thoughts on the movie and some facts that I discovered.

[successoroffate]

Here are some questions/facts that I discovered after rewatching the special:

1. Pan, the Granddaughter of Mr. Satan Savior of the Universe, she seems to be a very public and well known character. Specially among kids. Mr Satan remains a very influential name given that Hospitals and schools still use his name even 100 years later. However, Going back to Pan, the House where Goku and Her live, seems rather...Small for someone with her last name. She seemed rather poor (not that there's anything wrong with it) and you would expect her family to have tons of money (not as much as the Capsule Corp). Yet again, I don't recall Pan being too kind or needy of money. She seemed pretty neutral for a girl who could have everything she asked for, and she only wanted to fight.

2. The 100 years after debate: According to the subs (Japanese audio), which I like to think are accurate, The narrator says in Japanese: "After Bebis' defeat, peace was restored on Earth, and everyone was celebrating loudly on that day. 100 years have gone by since that day. No one is around from that day but for one person, Pan." They didn't say 100 years of peace, they said " 100 years after the day the Z/GT warriors were celebrating loudly". Therefore, the special does not contradict GT at all.

3. It seems even 100 years later, the SNES Controller is still a thing as Goku is seeing playing with one.

The movie still hits me right in the Kokoro, specially when Grandpa Goku appears. Pan near death experience was also pretty hard. The aura in GT is very depressing and dark toned but that makes all the happy moments even better, and don't get me started how good the music fits to each scene.

[GTX]

Military won't do individual or fake grave. 99% mostly just a random 'platform' named the soldiers whose die MIA, so no, it does not make sense or stupid etc.

You forgot the word after NEARLY 100 years.

[Soppa Saia People]

How the fuck has the topic become about fake graves ?

[successoroffate]

How the fuck has the topic become about fake graves ?

I don't know, But I have a hunch. At least I tried to stay on topic.
Your topic made me re-watch the movie again

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

This is the only thing in GT I consider non canon,it's to contradictory. And it's a disappointment, the art is FINOMINAL though.

[successoroffate]

This is the only thing in GT I consider non canon,it's to contradictory. And it's a disappointment, the art is FINOMINAL though.

How is it contradicting GT?

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I didn't like it, only because I don't like the idea of another Goku clone just to extend his memory. And the idea of Super Saiyan not only being further saturated again to the point where its needed to take out a simple Pig Demon. Then the Vegeta jr. Thing just made it even more corny. It's just one of those unnecessary story lines.

[Darkprince410]

How the fuck has the topic become about fake graves ?

The one guy was saying that the special isn't canon to GT because Goku is depicted as having a grave stone and that he shouldn't if he isn't dead, even though it's a common practice in the real world for there to be memorials built for those presumed dead, even if there's no body to actually bury.

[successoroffate]

How the fuck has the topic become about fake graves ?

The one guy was saying that the special isn't canon to GT because Goku is depicted as having a grave stone and that he shouldn't if he isn't dead, even though it's a common practice in the real world for there to be memorials built for those presumed dead, even if there's no body to actually bury.

Please, don't summon him again lol

[precita]

The end scene where Goku Jr. meets Goku is probably the most heartwarming scene in the franchise. Especially when Goku Jr. thought only one ball would summon Shenron and was crying that it wasn't working.

Also what's with people complaining about the villains? They were a throwback to Dragonball, where we had demons and more mystical creatures rather than aliens or super powered beings. Besides there's not much you can do in a 45 minute special so they were fine for what they were.