Should Kid Buu > Buff Buu be added in Rumor Guide?

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Re: Should Kid Buu > Buff Buu be added in Rumor Guide?

Post by Hitiro » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:39 pm

smiley wrote:This isn't the "strongest enemy" quote; it's the "strongest in the universe" quote. But nevertheless, I assume you would still argue that it refers to Buu in general.

I find that to be an extremely unlikely interpretation, because it refers to Buu at the time of his defeat; and it makes no sense to make reference to power that Buu no longer possessed, and would need to merge with others in order to achieve it. That would be like referring to Vegeta as "the strongest in the universe" because he is the strongest when he fuses with Goku.
I mean if you take the quote at face value it is incorrect anyway. We have lines from both Goku and Vegeta saying that 100% SSJ3 Goku could defeat Pure Boo. So Goku would actually be the strongest in the universe at this point. Not Pure Boo. Also Vegeta says that Goku is without a doubt #1 after beating Pure Boo. But that is also a fallacy as he used the Genki Dama to achieve victory. So why should that have any bearing on Goku's rank? It's like saying you're #1 in your class when you took a test and you literally used your phone to gather all the answers to get the perfect score.
jonny.kakadeh wrote:Did piccolo get the time to before? (remember they had just unfused from ssj fusion) it seemed like that was the plan anyways unless you think theres other ways of getting any significant improvement in 1 day!
They literally had a days worth of time between the non-SSJ fusion and the SSJ fusion yet Piccolo opted for them not to train in an environment that would significantly improve their odds. It seems pretty obvious that he thought Gotenks could handle Fat Boo as a SSJ. Even after seeing SSJ Gotenks he didn't question their strength. If they were any weaker than SSJ3 Goku when he fought Fat Boo do you really think Piccolo wouldn't have chucked them into the RoSaT right there and then? He only did it after Fat Boo powered up by becoming Evil Boo. So that just shows that SSJ Gotenks should have been plenty strong enough to fight Fat Boo.
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I don't see why Boo's better body and evil Chi is the main focus for someone who powered-up that much. Whenever someone in the series obtained a huge power-up, their increase in power became the main focus. Piccolo telling Krillin about Boo's body being better for battle and being more evil took precedence over him getting 8x more powerful than before. Piccolo's later statement about "everything" being greater does not imply an 8x increase. All it means is Super Boo is greater than Fat Boo.

Piccolo is not infallible by any means. He only decided to send the kids into the rosat when Boo found them on the lookout.

Goku's apparently an expert on Fusion, even though his understanding of what's needed (guys being fairly close) is plain wrong.
Well Evil Boo's Ki was boosted over Goku's previous SSJ3 Ki. We know that because like SSJ3 Goku's Ki could be sensed as far as the Kaioshin world so was Evil Boo's. Without actively searching for the Ki anyway. Also as I said previously Piccolo is certain that Evil Boo was superior in every way. In comparison SSJ2 Vegeta, according to Piccolo, was only "perhaps" stronger than SSJ2 Gohan from the Cell Games. In the scenario with Vegeta we know that he was greater than Gohan from back then but it obviously wasn't to a significant degree for Piccolo to be able to definitely tell. Yet in the former scenario he is certain that Evil Boo is superior. So Evil Boo had to have increased his power by a decent margin for him to be so certain.

And it really doesn't change the fact that after seeing SSJ Gotenks in action he had no qualms with him fighting Fat Boo but when Fat Boo became Evil Boo he thought that the current SSJ fusion wouldn't be enough. While Piccolo isn't infallible he isn't stupid enough not to notice a significant power gap if there was one. There is no way that Piccolo wouldn't have thrown them into the RoSaT earlier if SSJ Gotenks wasn't at least comparable to SSJ3 Goku's back when he fought Fat Boo.

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Re: Should Kid Buu > Buff Buu be added in Rumor Guide?

Post by buutenks » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:07 pm

Buuhan>Buutenks>Buff Buu>Super Buu>Fat Buu>Gray Buu>/=Kid Buu>Mr Buu.

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Re: Should Kid Buu > Buff Buu be added in Rumor Guide?

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:44 pm

buutenks wrote:Buuhan>Buutenks>Buff Buu>Super Buu>Fat Buu>Gray Buu>/=Kid Buu>Mr Buu.
Yep. That's pretty much how I see it and how the manga portrays it.

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Re: Should Kid Buu > Buff Buu be added in Rumor Guide?

Post by Draconic » Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:11 pm

Why would Buu absorbing South Kaioshin make him weaker when absorbing Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo did not? I think it is pretty clear only Dai Kaioshin did.
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