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ShaneisMC
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by ShaneisMC » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:52 am
Kamiccolo9 wrote:dbz2k wrote:
Do you think academic research should be copyrighted or free for all to use? All I am saying copyright can be broken system for some stuff.
You don't seem to realize the way academic research works. Unlike music, research is not a product. If it is published, then it is fair game for anyone to use.
HOWEVER, and this is the important part, if you attempt to pass off someone else's research as your own, then you are guilty of plagiarism. That's why numerous forms of citation exist. Any time you are reading an academic work, and you see footnotes, or a bibliography, that is a note that you have utilized someone else's work, and are giving them credit for it.
Yamamoto didn't do this. He took other people's work, arranged it, and presented it as his own without giving due credit to the original creator. That is plagiarism.
As for the guy who equated the emotional reactions of being irritated at the exclusion of a stolen soundtrack with the avenging of the hypothetical rape of my mother, congratulations. You proved my point for me. Way to go.
dear Jesus son I dont know where to start with you.

the fact of the matter is is that it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about things. If the world is seriously so black and white and you seemingly only deal in absolutes there is no reasoning with you. Congratulations. You're a robot. The same shit you're accusing me for is what you are doing in reverse order. You're acting like I'm just completely saying "oh well to hell with the people involved I apparently only care about the show", and the way you're treating the situation is completely "to hell with the show". It's mind blowing that you can't apparently feel for both sides of the situation and how they both were affected. It sucked for both sides. Not just the artists. And YET AGAIN IF IT WERENT BLATANTLY OBVIOUS IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM DOES IT TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR OR EITHER SIDE BY SYMPATHIZING FOR THE OTHER. Jeez
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by TripleRach » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:21 am
This back-and-forth about morality has gotten way too personal. It's over.
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by ShaneisMC » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:37 am
TripleRach wrote:This back-and-forth about morality has gotten way too personal. It's over.
As you wish ma'am. My apologies as well if our argument was out of line with the public or for that matter anything else.
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by TheGreatness25 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:02 am
Honestly, people are saying that they're surprised Sony and NLC didn't sue; I'm not. It sounds like the music would fall into "fair use," which analyzes how much of the original was taken (none in this case since it was recreated), and how it affected the original artist economically (not at all). There are other factors to fair use, but basically, unless a chunk of the original was used and it adversely affected the original artist's ability to make money, it'll fly. If you look at history, there have been tons of songs that ripoff others and they have been found to be fully legal based on the fair use doctrine.
So legally, the Yamamoto score is most likely safe. Morally, though, it's not right and so Toei canned him.
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by Shinsa » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:25 pm
ekrolo2 wrote:In a perfect world Yamamoto would've made all those songs himself and gone on to do the new movies, Kai 2.0 and Super but the fact is he stole that music. As much as I enjoyed it and still listen to it often, he still broke the law and deserves what he got. That's the law.
Totally agree here...
Also, as a musician and artist....shame on him. Plagiarism um bad!
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by superrayman3 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:59 pm
kei17 wrote:I suggest not blindly believing what I say here because I think I'm pretty biased on this matter in a negative way, but from what I know, it was, and still is a big deal, in both the negative and positive ways. A lot of the Japanese fans straight congratulated his music being erased from Kai because they simply HATED it. Wholeheartedly. Their love for Kikuchi's music is far stronger than you can fathom. Over 90% of the posts about the Yamamoto score on various web forums and SNSs were filled with negative words. When they switched to the Kikuchi score, I saw thousands of people saying "why they just didn't do that from the beginning." (And they're still bashing the Sumitomo score in Super today, FYI.) On the other hand, their reactions are full of lament when it comes to his video game music, like "my childhood got ruined," "I'm sad because I truly loved his music for video games at least."
Yamamoto's folly is still often mentioned when they talk about music related to Dragon Ball. I can't say it's not a big deal.
I have a question about that kei I know the Japanese fanbase hates Yamamoto's score for Kai but has any Japanese fan ever explained exactly what it is that they don't like about Yamamoto's score (like it's too kiddy or anything like that) or has it been more of a I don't like it simply because it's not Kikuchi kind of thing, because while I love and respect Kikuchi's work in Z, the way you describe things and no offense to Japanese fans intended when I say this it sounds to me like the Japanese are being a little too biased and blinded by nostalgia about who does what in the DB franchise these day when it comes to the music and they're not willing to give other composers a real chance to shine in the franchise.
If anyone has any of the DB/DBZ/DBGT or Maho Tsuaki Sally Japanese single DVD's that they'd be interested in selling send me a PM and I'll see if we can work something out.

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