Is Videl Vs. Spopovitch one of the most brutal fights?

[Gaffer Tape]

None of Yamcha's defeats were that bloody. The Saibaman blew up on him yet we just saw his body in tact on the ground. Dr. Gero punched through his chest, but he was healed so quickly it barely made a difference.

What? How can you compare the two? Yamucha had a hole in his chest. Blood was pouring out. Videl's injuries were severe but nothing compared to that. And they were both healed with senzu almost immediately. In both cases, senzu had to be retrieved from another location.

[Doctor.]

Yeah, it's not even close to being one of the most brutal when arms have been punched off and holes have been blasted through people. This fight is relatively tame.

[Kid Buu]

None of Yamcha's defeats were that bloody. The Saibaman blew up on him yet we just saw his body in tact on the ground. Dr. Gero punched through his chest, but he was healed so quickly it barely made a difference.

What? How can you compare the two? Yamucha had a hole in his chest. Blood was pouring out. Videl's injuries were severe but nothing compared to that. And they were both healed with senzu almost immediately. In both cases, senzu had to be retrieved from another location.

Not to mention I think the power gap between Yamcha and Dr. Gero was bigger than the one between Spopovitch and Videl.

[Fionordequester]

I think the difference between Yamcha's impaling scene and Videl's beatdown though is that Yamcha's scene was over and done relatively quickly, without really much of a struggle. But with Videl, HER beatdown lasted for like an entire episode, right? I think in that way, the difference is how the scene was animated, because I actually felt the same sense of sadness and horror when I saw Vegeta getting tortured by Frieza. I mean, yeah, he was evil, but that was still really hard to watch, especially when it came right after him being reduced to tears.

[Soppa Saia People]

None of Yamcha's defeats were that bloody. The Saibaman blew up on him yet we just saw his body in tact on the ground. Dr. Gero punched through his chest, but he was healed so quickly it barely made a difference.

What? How can you compare the two? Yamucha had a hole in his chest. Blood was pouring out. Videl's injuries were severe but nothing compared to that. And they were both healed with senzu almost immediately. In both cases, senzu had to be retrieved from another location.

While I do agree that the Yamcha got it a lot worst the difference is that is one is one (full) page and the other one went on for severely pages.
EDIT : Oops did not see you there Fionordequester. This is what I get for just looking at the screen for a solid six minutes.

[precita]

Spopovich Vs. Videl did last a whole episode. Dr. Gero Vs. Yamcha was over in what...3 minutes?

[rereboy]

Was Videl that helpless agaisnt her opponent? No, she could fight him and almost killed him. Was he that much stronger than her? Not really. Was she badly hurt? Yes, but much less than some of the Injuries we have seen in the series, including ones in children.

That's not the impression I got. He didn't seem fazed by her offense at all. Sure, he didn't tank her attacks, but she did no lasting or big damage to him. She didn't almost kill him. Yes, she would've killed him if he was normal, but the neck break didn't hurt him at all.

You are arguing semantics. The point was that the only reason why he won was because of his weird body which just took the punishment without great consequences and could even recover from a broken neck (which would have killed anyone who was a human or even a saiyan). The point is that the reason why she lost wasn't even a matter of power at all.

Both of those were no-hold-barred fights to death, a part of the bigger fight. Tournament was a sport event with clear rules that you could take your kids to. Imagine that you are watching wrestling and suddenly realise that one of the fighters beats unconscious opponent, while carefully managing not to break any rules.

For me that was the shock value- when it's war one must prepare of the worst, but nobody goes for tournament with spectators, media and shiny prizes expecting to be beaten to death.

That would make the brutality more surprising, not more brutal.

[Kid Buu]

Having just re-read the fight, Videl had plenty of chances to give up the fight. The Z-Fighters say should give up, the crowd said the fight should end, and the announcer goes as far to tell her to give up. Videl was just being stubborn not wanting to give up. She kinda put herself in that position.

[Deathbringer]

The fight was hard to watch because of the way Spopovitch kept going without any mercy, yeah I know it was partially Videl's fault for not forefitting the fight but it was still painful to watch at points, I especially remember the part where he picks her up by the hair and punches her in the face with the camera staying there so you see the blood pour out.

Other brutal moments in the series definitely include Vegeta's fight with Freeza, Goku's fight with Piccolo Jr, Yamcha's fight with Dr. Gero/Android 20 and Gohan's fight with Recoome (especially that kick which breaks his neck, that was so shocking) off the top of my head at least. Every character goes through their fair share of brutality, like Kuririn getting impaled by Freeza for example.

[FoolsGil]

It is uncharacteristically brutal. There have been brutal moments, but they were all quick, and the victim usually died not too soon after or the villain lost interest. Spopovitch was just being a sadist, you'd be begging for him to kill Videl just so it would end.

[Gaffer Tape]

Freeza stomps on Gohan's head, picks him up by the hair to the point that he pulls out a handful, tortures him. Nobody ever talks about that one. But it is extraordinarily similar to this example with Videl.

[FoolsGil]

Freeza stomps on Gohan's head, picks him up by the hair to the point that he pulls out a handful, tortures him. Nobody ever talks about that one. But it is extraordinarily similar to this example with Videl.

That I can concede, if only because Gohan was like 6 at the time, anyone else, not really unless their head looked like it was threatening to cave in.

[buutenks]

makes you wonder what gohan would have done to spopovitch lol.he even went ssj IIRC,a bloodlust ssj gohan vs spopovitch,id really hate to be in spopovitch shoes.

[Fionordequester]

Freeza stomps on Gohan's head, picks him up by the hair to the point that he pulls out a handful, tortures him. Nobody ever talks about that one. But it is extraordinarily similar to this example with Videl.

Except again, that didn't last nearly as long. That was only a few minutes, while Videl's beatdown went on...and on...and on...and on...and further on...and then a while after that...and then onward...and on....and on...

You can see the difference between the two, right? Again, I felt the same way when I was watching Vegeta getting tortured by Freeza, and now that I think of it, I also felt the same way with Gohan vs. Recoome.

[ABED]

You are arguing semantics. The point was that the only reason why he won was because of his weird body which just took the punishment without great consequences and could even recover from a broken neck (which would have killed anyone who was a human or even a saiyan). The point is that the reason why she lost wasn't even a matter of power at all.

How is that semantics? He won by a wide margin. Yes, the only reason he won was because Babidi granted him greater power, but i'm not sure what your point is. He still won in brutal fashion. She wasn't anywhere close to hurting him, whether it was his own power or not is irrelevant tot he issue. It is a matter of power, he had more of it. The neck thing doesn't count as an injury because he wasn't hurt.

Anyway, I have no idea how much other brutal moments have been discussed in relation to this, but it is one of the more brutal and drawn out beat downs. It's effective in showing how violent Spopovitch was. Too bad he doesn't amount to much.

[precita]

Freeza stomps on Gohan's head, picks him up by the hair to the point that he pulls out a handful, tortures him. Nobody ever talks about that one. But it is extraordinarily similar to this example with Videl.

The thing is its easy to forget Gohan is only 6 at that time, simply because he looks just as old as kid Goku did throughout most of Dragonball when he was 12-15 at the time.

Gohan's intelligence, reasoning skills, and speech are also far too advanced for a 6 year old. Gohan always acted like a 10 year old in terms of intelligence even when he was 5-6. Obviously this is anime and not real life...nobody in real life would send a 6 year old to fight with evil aliens.

[ABED]

Freeza stomps on Gohan's head, picks him up by the hair to the point that he pulls out a handful, tortures him. Nobody ever talks about that one. But it is extraordinarily similar to this example with Videl.

The thing is its easy to forget Gohan is only 6 at that time, simply because he looks just as old as kid Goku did throughout most of Dragonball when he was 12-15 at the time.

Gohan's intelligence, reasoning skills, and speech are also far too advanced for a 6 year old. Gohan always acted like a 10 year old in terms of intelligence even when he was 5-6. Obviously this is anime and not real life...nobody in real life would send a 6 year old to fight with evil aliens.

Maybe they would if the kid was one of the most powerful people on the planet.

[rereboy]

You are arguing semantics. The point was that the only reason why he won was because of his weird body which just took the punishment without great consequences and could even recover from a broken neck (which would have killed anyone who was a human or even a saiyan). The point is that the reason why she lost wasn't even a matter of power at all.

How is that semantics? He won by a wide margin. Yes, the only reason he won was because Babidi granted him greater power, but i'm not sure what your point is. He still won in brutal fashion. She wasn't anywhere close to hurting him, whether it was his own power or not is irrelevant tot he issue. It is a matter of power, he had more of it. The neck thing doesn't count as an injury because he wasn't hurt.

Anyway, I have no idea how much other brutal moments have been discussed in relation to this, but it is one of the more brutal and drawn out beat downs. It's effective in showing how violent Spopovitch was. Too bad he doesn't amount to much.

Because, as it was clear, what I meant by "she almost killed him" was simply a reference to the fact that she would have killed him if he had a normal body and to the fact that everybody even thought for a moment that she had killed him, which shows perfectly, along with the rest of the fight, how the deciding factor in the fight was never the difference in power between them but actually the difference in their bodies. Without his weird body, Videl's opponent would simply have lost against her, so no, it's was not a matter of power as you claim, or at least not a matter of power as in strength, especially since her opponent never actually overpowered her until she actually got tired. And you, Instead of focusing on my actual point, you argue that it wasn't technically "almost" because his broken neck wasn't actually a severe injury for him. That's focusing on the semantics of what I said, on the fact that I said "almost", and not the point of what I said.

In conclusion, Videl's opponent wasn't much stronger than her, if he was even actually stronger than her at all, it was just a matter of him being able to suffer no real consequences from things like broken necks, while Videl didn't have that advantage. Kind of like any Buu versus any fighter of equal power. Buu would always have the advantage, not because of his power, but because of his body. So, Videl's opponent wasn't much stronger than her, Videl wasn't at all helpless against him since she could fight him without much trouble, she just had trouble inflicting lasting damage due to his weird body, and yes, Videl got badly hurt but there are lots of times where people got worse than that in Dragon Ball, and were more helpless and were facing opponents much stronger than them. Meaning that on all of these three counts, Videl's fight isn't that impressive. What makes it seem brutal is, like I mentioned, the fact that she is a girl, and, like it was mentioned by others, the fact that it actually lasts a while on screen/page.

[ABED]

Without his weird body, Videl's opponent would simply have lost against her, so no, it's was not a matter of power as you claim, or at least not a matter of power as in strength, especially since her opponent never actually overpowered her until she actually got tired. And you, Instead of focusing on my actual point, you argue that it wasn't technically "almost" because his broken neck wasn't actually a severe injury for him. That's focusing on the semantics of what I said, on the fact that I said "almost", and not the point of what I said.

That's not a semantic argument, but even so, don't brush off semantics as trivial. They aren't synonyms. It doesn't matter if he would've lost had he not had the power, fact is, he did, and that's why she lost so badly. She got tired because he had more endurance and power. She didn't even come close to hurting him or defeating him.

If her attacks did no damage, he's stronger and more powerful.

Videl's opponent wasn't much stronger than her, Videl wasn't at all helpless against him since she could fight him without much trouble

She was. It doesn't matter if his power comes from pure strength or endurance or magic or whatever. Regardless of what his power is, he has more of it than she does. She was helpless against him. She did fight him and she ran into a lot of trouble. If it had been Goku, it doesn't matter how much he could regenerate, Goku has the power to blow him away.

the fact that she is a girl, and, like it was mentioned by others, the fact that it actually lasts a while on screen/page.

I agree that her sex does affect things, but it's also how out of her league she is and how long it lasts. Kuririn being tortured on Freeza's horn is also high on the list of brutality because of how painful and how long it lasts.

[rereboy]

As usual, your reply is a mix of insistence and arguments beside my points.

I've already explained, for example, that I was talking about power as in strength and yet you insist on qualifying his weird body as power just as a way to continuing disagreeing with what I said and qualify him as more powerful (even though it's clear by now that I was talking about power as in strength and even though I didn't even claim that he definitely wasn't stronger, just that he wasn't much stronger), instead of actually understanding an engaging my point.

In short, you aren't actually engaging and disagreeing with my actual points, you are just going around them adding arguments that are beside them but that allow you to continue the discussion and appear to actually be disagreeing with what I said, even though that is only happening on a surface level.

That is beyond tiresome and pointless, imo, and therefore, once again, I find no interest in continuing a discussion with you.