Stuff that makes no sense in Super

[Ssgvegito30]

Check on wiki the dates and yes I have watched eoz and gt in eoz she looked like a toddler the same way pan was around 4yrs old in eoz and in gt they made bulla look older for some reason but in reality she's not and tell me where you get that bulla is 3 to 5 yrs older than pan your the 1st I came across who is making bulla 3yrs older than pan man you don't know shit about DragonBall research before you say something

[Hit!!]

Piccolo not sensing any evil in Frost and Frost ending up being evil. Even though that line was said in the manga, not in the anime.

[LightBing]

Piccolo not sensing any evil in Frost and Frost ending up being evil. Even though that line was said in the manga, not in the anime.

I would think malice can be hidden. If ki can be suppressed "evil ki" should follow. Especially for Frost who lived a live of deceit, he would be bound to face someone with ki sensing capabilities.

[Doctor.]

Piccolo said he didn't feel a violent Ki though, right?

[D_Gabe]

Check on wiki the dates and yes I have watched eoz and gt in eoz she looked like a toddler the same way pan was around 4yrs old in eoz and in gt they made bulla look older for some reason but in reality she's not and tell me where you get that bulla is 3 to 5 yrs older than pan your the 1st I came across who is making bulla 3yrs older than pan man you don't know shit about DragonBall research before you say something

Bulla is even taller than Oolong. She is definitely not a toddler at the End of Z. Pan is closer to being a toddler than her. I don't know who the f*ck messed with the dates. But Bulla is clearly older than Pan.

[Kuririn Fan]

Pan is 1 year older than Bra, it's in all official guides except 1, which was a mistake on their part.

[namekiansaiyan]

Beerus letting Vegeta fight frost to make it 4 vs 2 instead of 3 vs 3 evenn though he moans at Goku for losing and he says he desperately wants to win the tournament

[TekTheNinja]

Gohan deciding to neglect his training so he can go through the exact same character development he went through in the Buu arc a second time.

[Lord Beerus]

Vegeta becoming a Super Saiyan Blue without needing to become a Super Saiyan God. Instead, he achieved that form by just training. What a load of bollocks. I mean, why even bother creating the concept of the Super Saiyan God transformation in the first place if you ultimately don't need it?

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta becoming a Super Saiyan Blue without needing to become a Super Saiyan God. Instead, he achieved that form by just training. What a load of bollocks. I mean, why even bother creating the concept of the Super Saiyan God transformation in the first place if you ultimately don't need it?

What're you talking about? Suppressing your aura to increase power totally makes sense!

Spoiler:

[Lord Beerus]

Vegeta becoming a Super Saiyan Blue without needing to become a Super Saiyan God. Instead, he achieved that form by just training. What a load of bollocks. I mean, why even bother creating the concept of the Super Saiyan God transformation in the first place if you ultimately don't need it?

What're you talking about? Suppressing your aura to increase power totally makes sense!

Spoiler:

I don't care what anyone says, those Aura Dragons are horrendously awesome.

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta becoming a Super Saiyan Blue without needing to become a Super Saiyan God. Instead, he achieved that form by just training. What a load of bollocks. I mean, why even bother creating the concept of the Super Saiyan God transformation in the first place if you ultimately don't need it?

What're you talking about? Suppressing your aura to increase power totally makes sense!

Spoiler:

I don't care what anyone says, those Aura Dragons are horrendously awesome.

Agreed, someone needs to remake that part with Rock The Dragon playing in the background (move your ass Ajay!)

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Lots of stuff that doesn't make sense, but right now my biggest peeve in Super is that apparently Cup Ramen is the best tasting food in the series... Seriously? Out of all the exquisite Asian foods they have sampled, this gets their attention? I know it's supposed to be funny; but highly unrealistic. I'm American and I even know that there are dozens of foods better than instant noodles. lol I can imagine it's got like 5000mg of sodium.

Unless Bulma didn't hire real cooks at her birthday party? Hmm...

And my 2nd biggest thing that's hard to believe is that Vegeta achieves his Bluper Saiyan form just by training and using "his own power" as stated in the series. How the hell did Vegeta do it??

[precita]

It feels like a lot of Super's facts or history aren't really checked over when going into production. There are already continuity errors, some plot holes, the characterisation of most of the main cast seems off, etc.

Goku is too child-like, Vegeta/Piccolo are subdued versions of their former selves, Videl has no personality anymore, Gohan too nerdy and weak, Goten/Trunks act younger than they did in the Buu arc, etc.

Super almost feels like published fanfiction.

[ChronoTwigger]

Jaco noticing something not 2 Gods, 8 kais, 3 sayans, a lot of half sayans and 1 robot could notice.

That Jaco could reach the center of the Universe in 3 minutes, while reaching Namek cost months with a Frieza ship.

That Frost is "the most strong in hand to hand fight", but use poison to win. In case of a Magetto fight, he'll loose.

That, after failing the questions to Zuno, they didn't asked for someone else to go and ask.

That Goku never teach to teleport to someone else.

That Gohan get a decrease in power, while Goku didn't train longer than him in the meanwhile (and Vegeta too)

That Gotenks is gone for no reason.

That they decide to do a tournament where Beerus will win nothing at all in any case.

That Beerus tell to have destroyed dinosaurs on Earth.


That Whis could turn back time and so, wathever happen doesn't matter anymore.

[BlackMagick]

Jaco noticing something not 2 Gods, 8 kais, 3 sayans, a lot of half sayans and 1 robot could notice.

That Jaco could reach the center of the Universe in 3 minutes, while reaching Namek cost months with a Frieza ship.

That Frost is "the most strong in hand to hand fight", but use poison to win. In case of a Magetto fight, he'll loose.

That, after failing the questions to Zuno, they didn't asked for someone else to go and ask.

That Goku never teach to teleport to someone else.

That Gohan get a decrease in power, while Goku didn't train longer than him in the meanwhile (and Vegeta too)

That Gotenks is gone for no reason.

That they decide to do a tournament where Beerus will win nothing at all in any case.

That Beerus tell to have destroyed dinosaurs on Earth.

Spoiler:

That Whis could turn back time and so, wathever happen doesn't matter anymore.

- Jaco is just very observational. Simple as that. And aren't the Kais Gods too?

- IIRC, it was Kami's Namekian ship that took a month to get to Namek from Earth. Dr. Briefs built a ship based off of the Saiyan pod/Freeza model and it took Goku 10 days. I don't think it's that outlandish to believe that Jaco has a better ship, considering that it's his job to patrol the galaxy.

- Tourney isn't over yet. We don't know if a character (like Hit) is hiding his strength from Champa. Frost is a dirty cheater. All of Freeza's race are conniving, apparently.

- Bulma and Jaco barely got in themselves, remember? There was a waitlist to see Zuno. They only got in because they took the place of that crook that Jaco took down.

- Goku also hasn't taught anyone the Kaio-Ken. From what I understand, Goku is a prodigy. He learns techniques insanely fast. That doesn't speak for anyone else's talent to learn techniques. But it all boils down to plot conveniency. If everyone knew instant transmission, it'd be incredibly hard to write characters in and out of situations so easily. That even goes with Kaio-Ken. If everyone knew Kaio-Ken, assuming that their bodies could handle it, Piccolo or maybe even Krillin could possibly give Cell a scare during the Cell Games.

- Gohan almost exclusively kept up with his studies and lived a normal life. Goku would ditch work at any given chance to train. Vegeta doesn't have a job. He has a gravity chamber and he continued to use it to train. I think it's silly that Gohan saw THAT big of a power decrease, though.

- Gotenks hasn't gone anywhere. Goten and Trunks get fairly little screen time. They don't really fight and almost every time they do, they fuse into Gotenks. We've seen Gotenks twice out of the three (at least potential) action sequences with Goten and Trunks. Not an inconsistency.

- Not true. Maybe I'm mistaken, but if I recall, Beerus gets Champa's collected Super Dragon Balls if U7 wins. Also didn't he say, that he'd consider destroying the universe or something if he got any wish?

- This is an inconsistency, unless Beerus didn't kill them all and left them an endangered species. You're otherwise right, though.

- It's an ass-pull, plot convenient technique. From a narrative standpoint, I hate it. But as far as the continuity goes, it doesn't contradict anything within the canon. We know virtually nothing about Whis' abilities and his biological makeup.

[buutenks]

Current Champa Arc PL r driving me mad. ^^

Got no idea where the characters stand power wise.

R some weaker than cell?Buu?What level is goku and vegeta fighting?

[ssbgoku]

In my opinion, super Saiyan god form does not make sense at all and is just pointless. Of course back then it was wow moment and seeing something fresh was great but looking back from now, this form was just plot device to put power levels at much bigger stake then it was before. However at the same time it created some issues:

- no power level comparision between z and super
- leaving z warriors in dust
- frieza ridiculous power up in short time
- golden frieza don't needing god ki to fight against god kid characters
- vegeta skipping ssg as it was nothing.
- ssg putting goku at 6 in god scale
- multpliers don't work at all while used with ssj form god essence
- too much of gods bullshit
- vegeta and goku training with whis and whis talking about them getting much stronger is stupid because it is hard to put in compare to 10 of beerus

Instead it would be much better if beerus has vision of almighty warrior(not super Saiyan god or at least not yet, so he doesn't know who it would be). After being informed Saiyan beat frieza but also even majin buu, beerus would demand whis to travel to find him. Akira talking about ssj vegito being suprassed by beerus would make much more sense if they actually clashed. If he still want to keep ssj vegito much below beerus then replace ssj3 vegito in place of ssg goku and make them 6 in god scale.
After loosing Whis would suggest to get stronger by yourselves and the only way would be acquiring god ki as the fusion just magically makes it or makes it special case.
In this way, we wouldn't have headache power level comparision and z cast would still hope to catch up while Also all whis comment about goku and vegeta making improvement and being much stronger then before while still being a lot of inferior to beerus would make much more sense. Golden frieza would still be deal but god ki would be gained(possible champa train him as he schemes something against beerus).

Wouldn't it be better ?

[TheMikado]

^ all of that is infinitely better than the mess we have right now

[ssbgoku]

^ all of that is infinitely better than the mess we have right now

Thanks a lot. It took so time but I am sure people would more enjoy it. Teamwork being replaced by own strength to reaching godhood. Gohan and picoolo being relavant at least and buu being deal. Also ssg would be introduced later as big deal and it would be better built up and hyped when it finally happened.