New ideas for an antagonist in Super?

[Skar]

After watching episode 28, I'm starting to think we might only get one final ultimate villain in Super before it ends. It was revealed that, if Champa and Beerus fought at full power, it could destroy both U6 and U7. That would mean a villain more powerful than them might be capable of destroying multiple universes or even the entire multiverse. The whole universe busting feat during the BoG saga kinda limits the number of times you can outdo that feat. Especially since we have so many characters stronger than SSJ God and capable of the same. At least during DBZ there was still a lot of room to grow. Vegeta could destroy a planet, Freeza could destroy a larger planet, Cell could destroy the sun or solar system, and Buu can do a little more than that. For there to be a legitimate threat, they would have to be stronger than Goku, Vegeta, Champa, Beerus, Vados, Whis, and whoever else is revealed to be +SSJ God tier in U6.

For example, let's say there was a rogue God of Destruction that wants to claim the title of strongest in the multiverse. We could say that Whis and Vados are neatrul but if this character is threatening Beerus then I'm pretty sure Goku, Vegeta, and his own brother, Champa, would probably get involved. How does this guy get defeated? It's either Goku and/or Vegeta unlock yet another transformation or they team-up to defeat him together. The problem would be that the next villain has to one-up this guy. Sooner or later there would eventually be someone threatening the destruction of everything so Whis and Vados have no choice but to get involved.

Another possibility is that there might not be a big threat at all and Super is only intended to be a light-hearted adventure type story. They complete the tournament, explore U6 for a while, maybe have a bigger multiverse tournament, and then the series ends with them resolving a minor conflict. I don't know just thinking out loud. For all I know Super might continue on for another +200 episodes.

[Cipher]

The stakes, scope and scale do seem to be peeking now (after already peeking in the Boo arc) -- so, uh, yeah -- I'm also anticipating either just one more villain or a scenario without a singular supervillain.

This arc began with Champa and Vados casually zipping around destroying planets with the tap of a staff -- the entire Universe 6 scenario could really take as long as it wants to play out, but things feel very endgamey.

[Hellspawn28]

I doubt Champa will be our final villain in the series. It will be foolish for Toei to end Super so soon when the show is really just starting. Super is doing well enough for us to last up to 2018 or 2019.

[Cipher]

I doubt Champa will be a proper villain in the "We must defeat this guy" sense at all. For one, we already know he and Vados wouldn't win against a combination of Beerus, Whis, Vegeta and Goku--and Beerus and Whis would certainly step into that fight.

I do wonder about Vados, but again -- same problem. Maybe something from her and Whis' neck of the woods? If a sufficiently strong supervillain has to show up again, my money is on it connecting to wherever these two outrageously powerful beings came from -- it's kind of a built-in explanation. It's also the only thing right now being presented as the kind of insurmountable power gap previous villains have offered. Anything Whis and Vados fear comes in with instant terror and clout.

[Hellspawn28]

Aztec theme villain would be cool too. Beerus has a Egyptian theme to his character, so another character with a design inspire from another mythology would be cool. Not to mention a god or villain inspire by Thor, Odin, Prometheus (The greek god, not the movie), Hades and Zeus would be awesome too.

[Michsi]

Honestly, I would love a cunning villain. Someone that isn't necessarily super strong, but extremely resourceful and smart. I would really love someone that does not underestimate Goku and his friends or completely lose it once things get a little difficult for them.

[Lord Beerus]

Honestly, I would love a cunning villain. Someone that isn't necessarily super strong, but extremely resourceful and smart. I would really love someone that does not underestimate Goku and his friends or completely lose it once things get a little difficult for them.

I'd say King Piccolo, Saiyan/Namek arc Vegeta, Imperfect Cell and Super Boo all fit the bill as far as cunning villains go.

[Michsi]

Honestly, I would love a cunning villain. Someone that isn't necessarily super strong, but extremely resourceful and smart. I would really love someone that does not underestimate Goku and his friends or completely lose it once things get a little difficult for them.

I'd say King Piccolo, Saiyan/Namek arc Vegeta, Imperfect Cell and Super Boo all fit the bill as far as cunning villains go.

None of these characters are what I have in mind. To me, one or two smart decisions don't necessarily mean that's an overall smart or cunning character. I'm talking about someone whose intellect is his/her defining trait . Think a Shikamaru type character , except evil.

[Lord Beerus]

Honestly, I would love a cunning villain. Someone that isn't necessarily super strong, but extremely resourceful and smart. I would really love someone that does not underestimate Goku and his friends or completely lose it once things get a little difficult for them.

I'd say King Piccolo, Saiyan/Namek arc Vegeta, Imperfect Cell and Super Boo all fit the bill as far as cunning villains go.

None of these characters are what I have in mind. To me, one or two smart decisions don't necessarily mean that's an overall smart or cunning character. I'm talking about someone whose intellect is his/her defining trait . Think a Shikamaru type character , except evil.

I think those characters made way more than just one or two smart decisions.

[DbzRyan24]

Hi everyone, first poster here. Thoroughly enjoying reading your posts etc so I thought id start myself!. Does anybody think that maybe if Universe 7 lose the tournament and the earth is switched, this will have some back fire effects on the universe. For instance, opening a portal so that anybody can access each of the other 12 universes when they want to? Only gods of destruction and whis/vados can if I'm not mistaken? Just a thought. Not sure on the antagonist though!

[Goku14]

heres some ideas

shadows like a ghost being controlled by a demon that escaped from other world possessing humans and the only thing that can beat it is god ki

maybe a dumb idea but i was thinking

Spoiler:

what about a goku from a other universe

[Lionel]

I'm thinking along the same lines as you, Michsi. Virtually all of the villains whom we've gotten in DBZ have been your generic run-of-the-mill narcissistic powerhouses who feel like they can't be stopped who start to fall apart once their superiority is challenged. About the only serious exception would be #16 and I think of him as being more of a third party hero/antagonist cross between where the only dangerous aspect concerning him is wanting to kill Goku.

The villains we have don't really stand out as great intellectuals or strategists because they choose to let their fists work for them instead of their brains. What scattered moments of two or three step improvisation they show isn't enough to justify labeling them as being cunning or intelligent. Not even Namek arc Vegeta's hit and run style of picking apart Freeza's army isn't really what I would call difficult or impressive from an intelligence standpoint. It doesn't characterise or define who they are in general. I wouldn't even call Piccolo a genius or cunning to be honest and he's considered to be the wisest fighter both by other characters in the manga and by fans.

[Skar]

I doubt Champa will be our final villain in the series. It will be foolish for Toei to end Super so soon when the show is really just starting. Super is doing well enough for us to last up to 2018 or 2019.

I could see some of the suggestions here as minor threats as in stronger than Goku and Vegeta but still weaker than Beerus and Whis. I don't think Champa is really a villain and will probably just be a friendly antagonist. What I meant is that I don't think there will be multiple sagas of escalating threats like we had before since they have so many powerful allies now. All the past villains were a threat to the heroes until they were surpassed by one of them. Golden Freeza was more of just a challenge for Goku and Vegeta since Beerus and Whis were still stronger than him and would probably intervene if Freeza was strong enough to threaten them. Now in order to be a legitimate threat, it's not enough to just surpass Z fighters but they also have to surpass Whis and Vados. If we have a villain stronger than Whis, Vados, and all the other God tier characters we've seen then possibly only a SSJ Blue Vegetto would be enough.

I think if we look at the timeline of Super then there isn't much room left for the story to continue unless there's a timeskip jumping past the End of Z. Within the final chapters, Bulma said she hasn't seen Goku in five years so I'm assuming nothing major happened during that time. Five years earlier is when RoF and the U6 saga take place. That could be why the U6 saga started only a few days after the RoF saga so that it would all fit within that year. In the recent interview posted on the main site, Toriyama emphasized again that the final chapters really were the ending so I think it might be unlikely that Super will continue past that. I know that Toei and Bandai want Super to continue for as long as possible but I don't know if they would continue it on their own without Toriyama.

Hi everyone, first poster here. Thoroughly enjoying reading your posts etc so I thought id start myself!. Does anybody think that maybe if Universe 7 lose the tournament and the earth is switched, this will have some back fire effects on the universe. For instance, opening a portal so that anybody can access each of the other 12 universes when they want to? Only gods of destruction and whis/vados can if I'm not mistaken? Just a thought. Not sure on the antagonist though!

That's an interesting idea. I was kinda expecting that regardless of which team wins the tournament, they'll agree to wish back U6's Earth with the Super Dragonballs. It could be that the Super Dragonballs gathered in one place attracts the attention of a greater evil so the contestants end up having to work together. After the battle, they gain respect for each other and agree that each universe deserves it own Earth or something.

[Zelvin]

Thanks for confidence on the idea (on page 2). Thing for me is, I have tonnes of ideas, but when it comes to actually putting the work into writing them out, I get like I have super ADD and just get bored and go play SWTOR or watch anime or something instead of putting the work in.

The concept I did would be like an End Series villain. Like the last for you could ever conceivably face, given the premise of the show. As far as it being dark, well...people forget how dark the show was. We had Bora who impaled a guy with a spear so hard his body was pinned to a tree, that was split through from the force of the spear throw. General Blue had a man executed for picking his nose. And Blue himself was killed by Tao by Tongue-Jab to the temple.

One of the darkest eras of the whole series was with Piccolo Daimao. He straight up had people murdered. He had Krillin killed, Roshi died trying to imprison him, Goku was nearly killed by him, a whole city was vaporized with its residents by him, and he instilled complete anarchy across the world. He released every convict from prison, which would include murderers, rapists, child molesters, and more. Which is utterly despicable and something so dark the show couldn't even attempt to illustrate how horrible it was.

As goofy as the show tried to portray things, there was a lot of dark happenings in the series as a whole. Even with the movies. Heck, "Fusion Reborn" had Hitler in it. You don't get that much worse than that.

[emperior]

We need dark stories, I love those to be honest. When things get dark you have a better feeling of how really evil the villain is. That's why Future Trunks' timeline is so good for me, it's basically one of the darkest what-Ifs ever and its so good when Future Trunks' goes back to his timeline and finally kills the androids and Cell.

Both the TV Specials tell very dark stories and I really, really love them.

[Skar]

Thanks for confidence on the idea (on page 2). Thing for me is, I have tonnes of ideas, but when it comes to actually putting the work into writing them out, I get like I have super ADD and just get bored and go play SWTOR or watch anime or something instead of putting the work in.

The concept I did would be like an End Series villain. Like the last for you could ever conceivably face, given the premise of the show. As far as it being dark, well...people forget how dark the show was. We had Bora who impaled a guy with a spear so hard his body was pinned to a tree, that was split through from the force of the spear throw. General Blue had a man executed for picking his nose. And Blue himself was killed by Tao by Tongue-Jab to the temple.

I would love darker stories from time to time like the original Bardock special. I believe that BoG was originally supposed to be much darker but Toriyama didn't feel it was right and that was one of the reasons why he rewrote it. I kinda wish that Toei would release their original script for BoG or if they can get the author for the DBS manga to draw it. It would be interesting to see what they had in mind.

[Ozotto]

At the end of DBGT when Goku leaves with Shenron, the God's of that Universe take Goku and train him.

GT Goku becomes a rival or something lol.

Or Syn Shenron was saved by the God's in that universe just as he was destroyed, and will be a 'strongest' of whatever universe number GT is in.

That would be cool.

Or like Uub, lol.

[Retan]

I'd like there to be two or three main villians in an arc, as we've never seen that I don't believe, that would give Goku, Vegeta, and maybe Gohan or everyone else a villian to fight it out with.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Broly(Don't hate)

Shadow dragons

Something with backstory and lore not just comes out of nowhere.

Most of all I want it post Z. If we know Goku will be fine with all his friends in a tournament it kills any suspense.

I want a cool villain. Buu's problem was he wouldn't last without regeneration. I want someone like cell/broly/omega shenron. Those were all perfect for final villains. I think the last villain being a saiyan would be fitting. Like the true saiyan of legend, which is why I say broly or something like that.

We've had a lot of comedy, and comedy is a big part of dragonball but I want a serious villain. One that makes whis and beerus scared. If someone came in and wrecked Beerus and Whis I think I'd be genuinely happy. Raise the stakes. Do your comedy, but also give us depth and action. Frieza was AMAZING but at the same time Goku bite his tail ;3

I want Super to balance comedy with action. ball did this best, GT as much as I loved this failed in a way to balance the two.

[ArchedThunder]

I'd like a female big bad, we've never had that before. The closest we've ever had was 18, but she shared that role with 17 and they were both replaced by Cell as the big bad of the arc.

I'd like there to be two or three main villians in an arc, as we've never seen that I don't believe, that would give Goku, Vegeta, and maybe Gohan or everyone else a villian to fight it out with.

Until Cell popped up 17 and 18 shared the role of main villain (and 16 kind of) and Toriyama even intended to continue the arc with them as the villains until he was told to replace them.
But yeah, having 2 or more share the role as main villains for a full arc would be cool.