After this interview, would you like other studio for Super?

[Draconic]

super has terrible colors, and drawing.

So much this. I think the animation is alright. It sure has a ton more bad moments than it used to, but there are some great ones to balance it out. However, the art style/direction for modern Dragon Ball is pretty terrible. The digital medium is so rich and resourceful that you could have made everything look at least like Kai, but no... We are stuck with this shiny bright look that doesn't really scream Dragon Ball. The shiny stuff started from GT, but GT's color pallete was darker, yet that didn't scream Dragon Ball either. If there is one complaint I have for the aestethics of everything we got after Z it's that. I really don't get why they didn't go with the style from Yo!Son Goku, as that is the direction most fitting for a modern Dragon Ball to me.

[shinmaru]

Doesn't matter which studio I just hope DragonBall is going to do better because I'm afraid that this will hurt the franchise and Toei.
And I'm sure the real bomb of criticism will go off when Super starts airing in Europe and the U.S.

[pacz360]

I hope DragonBall is going to do better because I'm afraid that this will hurt the franchise and Toei.
And I'm sure the real bomb of criticism will go off when Super starts airing in Europe and the U.S.

Don't know what ya mean by that?

[Cursemark505]

Doesn't matter which studio I just hope DragonBall is going to do better because I'm afraid that this will hurt the franchise and Toei.

What? Super is doing well in Japan. Even if it wasn't, why in the world would Toei be negatively affected as a company?

And I'm sure the real bomb of criticism will go off when Super starts airing in Europe and the U.S.

Westerners are already watching fansubs the show. It's been criticised to death already. Even with that, the complainers are still tuning in to watch every week.

Is having better animation that important than having a good story? I'm a type of person with a open mind that can watch anything as long if a good story is told.

Dragon ball has always had a poorly written story. It's an action oriented series which is why the animation is important. As of now, both the story & the animation are sub-par. There's nothing compelling about the show to make viewing it worthwhile.

[shinmaru]

What? Super is doing well in Japan. Even if it wasn't, why in the world would Toei be negatively affected as a company?

Same way Toei is affected by good products they produce

Westerners are already watching fansubs the show. It's been criticised to death already. Even with that, the complainers are still tuning in to watch every week.

Trust me a lot of casual people are not tuning in every week.

[Cursemark505]

Same way Toei is affected by good products they produce

They're not going to be hurt because of one show.

Trust me a lot of casual people are not tuning in every week.

But a lot of them are so what's your point exactly?

[coola]

Tokyo Ghoul fans are pretty disappointed with Pierrot anime adaptation too, I'm waiting for Sailor Moon Crystal Season 3, Precure look ok so far, but, if SM end up looking bad, I'm done with Toei produced anime Fortunately, Naoko Takeuchi seem to be more in control of SM franchise, than Toriyama, i don't think she will let it to be disaster
EDIT: Sorry, Pierrot, not Toei

[Daisetsu]

Tokyo Ghoul fans are pretty disappointed with Toei anime adaptation too...

That was Studio Pierrot, not Toei. Fans were rightfully mad, though, considering so much material was cut out and the second half was completely changed.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

super has terrible colors, and drawing.

So much this. I think the animation is alright. It sure has a ton more bad moments than it used to, but there are some great ones to balance it out. However, the art style/direction for modern Dragon Ball is pretty terrible. The digital medium is so rich and resourceful that you could have made everything look at least like Kai, but no... We are stuck with this shiny bright look that doesn't really scream Dragon Ball. The shiny stuff started from GT, but GT's color pallete was darker, yet that didn't scream Dragon Ball either. If there is one complaint I have for the aestethics of everything we got after Z it's that. I really don't get why they didn't go with the style from Yo!Son Goku, as that is the direction most fitting for a modern Dragon Ball to me.

Honestly if the colors were anything from ball,z or GT i'd be fine with super. It's the colors that literally hurt my eyes. Not a joke, it's annoys me. The shine effect is stupid as you said. GT used it too much, but not as much as this, and at least the darker colors didn't make everyone look like they were freshly polished. It's distracting, and weird and above all else looks hideous. IF they only changed that one thing I'd be on the Super defense squad, but I'm more of in the middle. I try to like super, but my inner fanboy comes out and cries at times. It's why I kept saying give us cels, because I liked everything Toei did with cels. People say they can do those same colors with digital coloring.....which is true it's possible, I just don't know if TOEI can do it....they are very bad with digital coloring. now futurama, I'm not sure if it stopped using cels when it was revived but it always stayed that same level of quality of when it definitely had cels. So if they switched to digital, then maybe whoever did futurama should animate dragonball. They not only have good colors, but have consistent animation that's good with being on model and looking real with movement. I never see animation errors. Sadly losing Toei is a pipe dream ;/

I find myself forcing myself to try to love this like I did with the modern spongebob, I fear at some point I'll be done with it and move on. I already stopped collecting dragonball because of battle of gods. Loving dragonball shouldn't be hard, that's all I'm saying, as a kid who was obsessed to a bitter 22 year old fanboy who feels cheated out of his money/time he could have given to a franchise to would never sell out like this...like star wars.

[pacz360]

super has terrible colors, and drawing.

So much this. I think the animation is alright. It sure has a ton more bad moments than it used to, but there are some great ones to balance it out. However, the art style/direction for modern Dragon Ball is pretty terrible. The digital medium is so rich and resourceful that you could have made everything look at least like Kai, but no... We are stuck with this shiny bright look that doesn't really scream Dragon Ball. The shiny stuff started from GT, but GT's color pallete was darker, yet that didn't scream Dragon Ball either. If there is one complaint I have for the aestethics of everything we got after Z it's that. I really don't get why they didn't go with the style from Yo!Son Goku, as that is the direction most fitting for a modern Dragon Ball to me.

Honestly if the colors were anything from ball,z or GT i'd be fine with super. It's the colors that literally hurt my eyes. Not a joke, it's annoys me. The shine effect is stupid as you said. GT used it too much, but not as much as this, and at least the darker colors didn't make everyone look like they were freshly polished. It's distracting, and weird and above all else looks hideous. IF they only changed that one thing I'd be on the Super defense squad, but I'm more of in the middle. I try to like super, but my inner fanboy comes out and cries at times. It's why I kept saying give us cels, because I liked everything Toei did with cels. People say they can do those same colors with digital coloring.....which is true it's possible, I just don't know if TOEI can do it....they are very bad with digital coloring. now futurama, I'm not sure if it stopped using cels when it was revived but it always stayed that same level of quality of when it definitely had cels. So if they switched to digital, then maybe whoever did futurama should animate dragonball. They not only have good colors, but have consistent animation that's good with being on model and looking real with movement. I never see animation errors. Sadly losing Toei is a pipe dream ;/

I find myself forcing myself to try to love this like I did with the modern spongebob, I fear at some point I'll be done with it and move on. I already stopped collecting dragonball because of battle of gods. Loving dragonball shouldn't be hard, that's all I'm saying, as a kid who was obsessed to a bitter 22 year old fanboy who feels cheated out of his money/time he could have given to a franchise to would never sell out like this...like star wars.

I feel ya man deep down I want super to be good but yet it finds way to disappoint me every from the the fights,characterization,animation etc despite bitching about gt even then felt enjoyable with super just disappointment

[Cursemark505]

People say they can do those same colors with digital coloring.....which is true it's possible, I just don't know if TOEI can do it....they are very bad with digital coloring.

Dragon ball must be the only thing you've ever watched from them if you seriously think that's the case.
DBKai has similar colors to the original series.
They aren't bad with digital coloring either. Your limited experience with their works has drawn you to that conclusion.
The colors are decided on by specific people.

They not only have good colors, but have consistent animation that's good with being on model and looking real with movement. I never see animation errors

Each episode of Futurama takes a year to make according to the series developer.

[pacz360]

Anybody that gives a shit and make sure it'll look good toei looks at super as nothing but a cash cow madhouse is the mainone to do it but as people pointed out its a pipe dream.

[Hellspawn28]

Dragon ball has always had a poorly written story.

Pilaf - Freeza was hardly poorly written. I can agree with the Cell and Buu saga, but DB at it's prime in the 80's and early 90's was pretty solid overall.

[Cursemark505]

Dragon ball has always had a poorly written story.

Pilaf - Freeza was hardly poorly written.

Maybe from your own personal standpoint. Looking at it from a more objective standpoint it's is mediocre.
Too many inconsistencies, plotholes, & asspulls to call it well written, from the saiyan saga on at least.
I'm in the process of rewatching Dragon ball. It's even worse than I remember.
The first tournament has been awful.
There hasn't been much fighting & the matches are incredibly short. Most of it has been tasteless gags.
As far as characterisation goes, all of them are one note. Kamesennin is easily the worst. He's basically the caricature of a sexual predator.

[Skar]

Is having better animation that important than having a good story? I'm a type of person with a open mind that can watch anything as long if a good story is told. I watch movies and TV with bad special effects, but I can watch it with a good story. I mean Mad House has done great animation for bad anime before.

Why can't we have both though? We don't have to sacrifice one for the other. I do agree that a good story is important but an action-oriented series also needs good animation. For example, the anime Monster had decent animation but that didn't really matter because it's mainly watched for it's story. Dragonball is like 70% fighting, 20% character development that usually came as a result of interactions during fights, 5% dialogue that revolved around their training and fighting skills, and 5% humor. It did have a story but they weren't trying to solve a mystery or anything. The story was always about a threat that was more powerful than the last so the conflict was resolved with fighting. I've seen some scenes from One-Punch Man. I don't expect Super to look that good but I just want to it to at least be comparable to the original. DBZ did have fluctuating animation quality but at it's best was like a million times better than what we've seen in Super.

[Miracles]

Nope. TOEI made Dragonball anime what it is and it has the right to kill it.

[Soppa Saia People]

Dragon ball has always had a poorly written story.

Not really. It's a story primarily written for children that people of all ages can enjoy, and it does that just fine. It's like 2D Mario, sure there are other games that are more complex both in gameplay and story, but sometimes you just wanna read/play something simple but fun.

[KidGoku>3]

Maybe from your own personal standpoint. Looking at it from a more objective standpoint it's is mediocre.

So the other guys opinion is subjective but yours is objective because you say so ? Bragging is not a good trait to have.

Too many inconsistencies, plotholes, & asspulls to call it well written, from the saiyan saga on at least.
I'm in the process of rewatching Dragon ball. It's even worse than I remember.
The first tournament has been awful.
There hasn't been much fighting & the matches are incredibly short. Most of it has been tasteless gags.
As far as characterisation goes, all of them are one note. Kamesennin is easily the worst. He's basically the caricature of a sexual predator.

Dragon Ball is imo the best DB and it's because of the cohesive storyline, a lot of shining time for many many characters, lack of primary obsession with power levels, barely no filler and a lot of heart. I could see the criticism for DBZ but not DB. DB is about Goku's (and his friends along the way) journey and adventure as a kid for kids I don't understand how you can evaluate it like that with your standpoint in mind. We're not talking about Pixar here. And if you value storytelling that much and you think DB is awful with it then maybe DB is not for you.

[Hellspawn28]

I see people saying that DBZ and GT had a bad story, but never DB. I do watch DB for the story since I do respect the story and characters more when I look outside the action. Piccolo and Vegeta really changed a lot when they first appear. DBZ is not MD Geist where it's just all action and no story to it.

[Cursemark505]

So the other guys opinion is subjective but yours is objective because you say so ? Bragging is not a good trait to have.

I never said that my post didn't have any subjectivity. I said I was looking at if from a more objective standpoint.
As it stands, it's completely factual that Dragon ball has many inconsistencies, plotholes, asspulls, & retcons. How is it possible to call something like that well written?

And if you value storytelling that much and you think DB is awful with it then maybe DB is not for you.

I think the story is awful. That doesn't mean I haven't been entertained by any of it.
OPM is an example of a series that's entertaining despite the meh story.
Listing things you personally enjoyed does not make the story well written.
Dragon ball is also one story. I could care less about the title. Z is not standalone.

It's a story primarily written for children

This doesn't negate anything I've stated.